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Japanese attitude towards Irish?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭shindig-jp


    Konata wrote: »
    I would just like to re-iterate Tristram's post here. Sweeping statements are completely fine as long as you have some sort of source to back it up with. Otherwise those statements may be considered racist and offensive to the people mentioned.

    the groutch, I will allow you a chance to post evidence for your claim. Otherwise I will be removing your post and - this is for everyone - any more posts of that nature will be dealt with accordingly.

    I'm not jumping in to defend the Grouch and the last thing I want to happen to this thread of ... innocents and go off topic , Maybe this will settle the problem and we can all carry on and enjoy the forum on Japan. It may be suited to another topic on the Japan forum but certainly not this thread. There are huge problems in Japan which need to be addressed both in Okinawa and Yokota air bases where crime is rampant with service personal and their expat school brats with the finger pointed at those of us who look American whenever a headline in the news comes up.

    This guy is very much a part of my experience of 25 years in Japan

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debito_Arudou

    I trust this will be the end of the matter as I find the topic of Japanese attitude V Irish to be racist in nature anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    I don't know if this applies to Japan, but I live in China and would consider racism to be part of the culture here. But whereas in Europe we all know racism is wrong, in China it isn't considered racism - they simply believe as a matter of fact black people are dangerous and sleazy. They generally have a high opinion of white people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭JapanZone


    Whether or not an Irish person will experience racism in Japan depends very much on one key question - what is racism?

    If you subscribe to the Debito Arudou (see above post) line of thinking, then racism is viewing a person as in any way different because they have a racial profile that is different to your own. Debito is US-born but has naturalised as a Japanese. Therefore he expects to be treated as a Japanese in every way. A noble and morally defensible idea. He works very hard to shine a light on any incident which runs counter to this idea and to hold the Japanese government to international standards of human rights, etc. But it's also idealistic and so his newspaper and blog articles tend to divide people into those that strongly support him and those that hate him. Check out his recent writing about "microaggression" for a perfect example.

    The other line of thinking is that if you're a caucasian, black, non-Japanese Asian, whatever, then you're visibly not a native Japanese (though the increasing number of international marriages and bi-racial kids has really started to blur the lines) and therefore will always be seen as an "outsider." And then it's down to whether you're a "glass half full" person or a "glass half empty" person. Do you enjoy the fact that you can get away with things a Japanese wouldn't, always standing out from the crowd, etc? Or do you feel constantly threatened, looked down upon, excluded? There are of course many shades of grey between the two extremes.

    I suppose my main point is that racism in Japan is a very subjective thing and (relative to other countries) rarely a dangerous, violent encounter but more of a subtle, cultural experience. You know the adage, "Wherever you go, there you are"? I take it to mean that no matter what country you visit you bring your own emotional baggage with you. So Japan will be different for every single person, because its seen through their own personal filter.

    I'm writing this in a hurry and it hasn't been properly thought out, so pardon any flawed thinking :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭ordinary_girl


    shindig-jp wrote: »
    Be careful on your return .... re-entry to Irish culture is a major shock so try avoid coming home.

    I'm curious about this, what exactly is it about Irish culture that strikes you when get come back over here? Is it generally good or bad?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    I'm curious about this, what exactly is it about Irish culture that strikes you when get come back over here? Is it generally good or bad?

    I would be pretty sure he meant generally bad.

    Two simple examples:

    Customer service
    Scumbags


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel



    Customer service
    Scumbags

    Two more:

    Lack of respect for others.
    Dirt.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    My wife (before coming to Ireland) often confused Ireland with Iceland. There's plenty of Irish pubs in Tokyo and other big cities, so they do have some idea of us :D

    We were on a small island, a distance from Okinawa and when I told this fellow I was from Dublin, he said "ah; Easter 1916, the GPO, Oscar Wilde, Trinity College etc". I was impressed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭shindig-jp


    old hippy wrote: »
    My wife (before coming to Ireland) often confused Ireland with Iceland. There's plenty of Irish pubs in Tokyo and other big cities, so they do have some idea of us :D

    We were on a small island, a distance from Okinawa and when I told this fellow I was from Dublin, he said "ah; Easter 1916, the GPO, Oscar Wilde, Trinity College etc". I was impressed!

    Confused OR lack of general knowledge ? The World cup hosted by and between Japan & Korea in 2002 Japanese officials were bewildered by English football fans sporting the George cross painted on their faces and producing British passports at immigration . The first batch off the planes were all held on suspicion of having false passports . The reason ? Football fans should have the union jack painted on their face .


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Two more
    Drinking and pub culture
    They fixed the road type politics.


    and to those who got called Icelandic, try being called Iraqi.
    oh you're from Iraq, how did you escape???


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    kupus wrote: »
    try being called Iraqi.
    oh you're from Iraq, how did you escape???

    Are you ever tempted to make up a big, long convoluted story on how you escaped? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,132 ✭✭✭Just Like Heaven


    Yeah was gonna say, wasted opportunity there :p


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    shindig-jp wrote: »
    Confused OR lack of general knowledge ? The World cup hosted by and between Japan & Korea in 2002 Japanese officials were bewildered by English football fans sporting the George cross painted on their faces and producing British passports at immigration . The first batch off the planes were all held on suspicion of having false passports . The reason ? Football fans should have the union jack painted on their face .

    Possibly lack of knowledge? I know when she went to school, Japanese kids would not have been taught about Ireland. But she eventually travelled around the world before coming to Ireland for a few years. One of our friends in Tokyo was well aware of Ireland - because of the Guinness. Herself and the wife visited about 8 pubs in 2 days to sample the black stuff, a year or two back :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭shindig-jp


    old hippy wrote: »
    Possibly lack of knowledge? I know when she went to school, Japanese kids would not have been taught about Ireland. But she eventually travelled around the world before coming to Ireland for a few years. One of our friends in Tokyo was well aware of Ireland - because of the Guinness. Herself and the wife visited about 8 pubs in 2 days to sample the black stuff, a year or two back :D

    Not to worry , many of my extended family ,the younger ones and some of the adults often ask when we meet up for a pint . "How long are you home for and when are you going back to China" About two weeks ago I was asked to say something in Chinese . I did ....... "Who Flung Dung" and the response was " yeah we know that one .. isn't he the Emperor .


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    ... I think there is a distinct difference in how nice Japanese people are over Chinese in my own experience too...

    :pac: This


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