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The health service in Ireland.

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    #32
    sickpuppy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 955 ✭✭✭sickpuppy


    My only experience of health service in ireland lately was with my friends father.
    He went into hospital for a small routine gall bladder operation and he never came out.
    Of course any operation when you are in your 60s is not small.
    He got an infection and needed another operation and twice he was supposed to go down to galway city for the operation but there were not enough intensive care beds.The man worked for 50 years payed his taxes and instead of getting a chance to fix his ailment he ended up dying.
    I would hate to see my own parents needing urgent medical care or anyones for that matter.
    Can you imagine how heartbreaking it must be for familys knowing there siblings need care operations etc oh sorry we have no beds ffs,if hes alive next week we might squeeze him in its horrible.
    Somebody must be held accountable i hope i never need the sevices of the hse in ireland.


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    #33
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,069 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Apologies, post edited (although it's gonna really confuse people now)

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #34
    Sherifu
    Registered Users Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Apologies, post edited (although it's gonna really confuse people now)
    Great, now change the edit comment to "because I was wrong".


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    #35
    Dudess
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    You can't edit an edit comment though. That'd be like reporting a post on the Reported Posts forum - it would cause a paradox and the universe would capsize in on itself...


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    #36
    Diairist
    Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭Diairist


    one of my (numerous) rants re healthcare in Ireland: if 458 died on Irish roads 1999 (down on previous yr....) 336 in 2007 - and my heart goes out to the family and friends of those hundreds of people - how many organs were donated? Like the 2 Polish lads in Drimnagh did. (remember the screwdriver incident?)

    Is it true to say - I may well be wrong - that the lung transplant unit in the Mater lay idle for 3 years after the staff had ben trained and the equipment installed?


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    #37
    Chunky Monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Chunky Monkey


    Dudess wrote: »
    My mum who's a nurse always says that - and she's by no means a god-botherer. For one, the standard of cleanliness was absolutely off the chart back when she was training/working in hospitals (60s/early 70s). It was exceptionally strict but things got run more smoothly. If anyone's read Atonement (or seen the film) well you know how absolutely regimented the hospital is where the girl is training... my mother says that's exactly what life was like for her as a student nurse - even if it was 20 odd years later.

    And student nurses were left to run the wards because there weren't enough senior nurses around. Hardly a positive point for the 'good old days'.

    The sickly smell of disinfectant, that I've heard many people mention, does not a clean ward make. What proof is there that hospitals were cleaner, no reported cases of MRSA, which is a multi resistant bug? Also cleaning is not a nurse's job. They're far too qualified for that. But I've yet to see a cleaner who doesn't do their job properly.

    What's needed are plenty of single rooms and equipment in order to isolate infections and stomp them out. However this requires proper spending of resources. So rather than giving out about frontline staff, the hotshots in the Mercs with the 3/4 holidays a year are the ones to be angry at (this is pointed at the OP who seemed to be giving out about 'hospital staff').


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    #38
    Sherifu
    Registered Users Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Dudess wrote: »
    You can't edit an edit comment though. That'd be like reporting a post on the Reported Posts forum - it would cause a paradox and the universe would capsize in on itself...
    I said change the edit comment. I chose my words carefully :pac:


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    #39
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,069 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Dudess wrote: »
    You can't edit an edit comment though. That'd be like reporting a post on the Reported Posts forum - it would cause a paradox and the universe would capsize in on itself...

    ****.... I just did it. The world's going to end and it's my fault. Hmmm - my Irish teacher was right, so.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #40
    randylonghorn
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 29,509 Mod ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Dudess wrote: »
    You can't edit an edit comment though. That'd be like reporting a post on the Reported Posts forum - it would cause a paradox and the universe would capsize in on itself...
    ... or someone reporting a post on his own forum!!







    cough Tom Dunne cough


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    #41
    TheBeach
    Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭TheBeach


    sickpuppy wrote: »
    My only experience of health service in ireland lately was with my friends father.
    He went into hospital for a small routine gall bladder operation and he never came out.
    Of course any operation when you are in your 60s is not small.
    He got an infection and needed another operation and twice he was supposed to go down to galway city for the operation but there were not enough intensive care beds.The man worked for 50 years payed his taxes and instead of getting a chance to fix his ailment he ended up dying.
    I would hate to see my own parents needing urgent medical care or anyones for that matter.
    Can you imagine how heartbreaking it must be for familys knowing there siblings need care operations etc oh sorry we have no beds ffs,if hes alive next week we might squeeze him in its horrible.
    Somebody must be held accountable i hope i never need the sevices of the hse in ireland.

    That says it all, it's so sad. You'd think that a 60yr old man would be ok, but due to our health service it's not so.


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    #42
    DublinDilbert
    Registered Users Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭DublinDilbert


    I agree the state of the hospitals is very bad... but the bigger problem in my opinion is access to Doctors, they are all based round middle class area's where people can afford to pay them.... People don't go to the doctor cause they can't afford it, they get sicker and sicker then they end up blocking A&E...

    What do we pay PRSI for if we can't go to a doctor?

    What do we pay health insurance for if we can't go to a doctor?

    Up north its FREE to go see a doctor when your sick, god imagine that? Doctors up north earn a reasonable living, approx £70K from what i've been told. Doctors down here would turn their nose up at that, cause they know how much they can cream down here...

    One of the very serious side effects to having to pay for visiting the doctor is they over prescribe drugs massively... In a place where its free to go do the doctor, he'll say "i won't give you antibiotics now, but if your still unwell come back in a few days and i'll write it up then...", but in Ireland they just write it up on the spot as people aren't going to pay €60 in 2 days time to get the same prescription.

    It wouldn't even be as bad if they charged for a course of treatment, but no its visit by visit, they are completely creaming it in.


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    #43
    Rossibaby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭Rossibaby


    dublin dilbert i totally agree, profit should not be the concern when it comes to people's health!people before profit makes sense,especially in a nation such as ireland that isnt really short of the cash yet doesnt seem to care for its people.the health care system should be socialised imo, i mean its one thing a middle class or upper class family going to the local doctor and foring out the cash,but for a woring class person,single mother with a few ids etc its not so simple.just say a single woring class mother with 3 kids finds her child has an illness,this spreads to the other two and now she has 3 children very sick.she goes to the local doctor and gets the 3 ids seen to at once,this of coure costs more than a single visit in most places even though its obviously the same illness.the lady pays for this,then has to pay for the anti - biotics for her children.very expensive,and all this on a wor day she had to take off to bring them to the doctor.that is no way for a person to live.i've seen a guy wh cut his hand with a saw really badly in A and E ahead of me,and only had it bandaged by himself quite badly.he of course had to wait 4 long hours with the rest of us fo 10 minutes of the doctors time:mad:
    why people support the current government i'll never know.imo this is the most important thing in a country


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    #44
    Trojan911
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Trojan911


    Dudess wrote: »
    Good luck to you if you need to get someone from the HSE to talk. When I worked in radio, trying to get Brendan Drumm was akin to getting the pope.


    Unfortunately, they are like robots..... "Sorry, no comment"


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    #45
    invincibleirish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭invincibleirish


    Greedy Consultant's
    Greedy Pharmacist's
    Incompetent & greedy Bureaucrat's
    Abysmal me feiner Politicians
    prioritising of Private Healthcare

    Sort that and you will improve the health service.

    in the past 2 weeks, twice an immediate much loved family member had the pleasure of spending 2 nights on a trolley, i had the joy of spending hours in the A&E witnessing my close relative in terrible pain (30 hrs the first time, 30 hours the second time), want to know what made it extra fun? no painkillers could be precribed as the "team" in charge of her could not be contacted as to decide what to prescribe so the on call guy just prescribed solpadine(spelling?) for a women bent over double in pain.

    want to know what the kicker is? this was on a Thursday at 5pm, the previous day at 3pm, my loved one had been discharged with a huge prescription (90 euro there), the "team" in charge deemed her fit enough to be discharged despite not knowing what was wrong with her! this was 2 weeks ago and she is still in hospital now!(and for foreseeable future)

    So nevermind the 90 euro prescription, the 60 euro doctor charge, the approx 80 euro so far i have paid in parking charges at the hospital so far, i took my loved ones mail to her in hospital over the weekend, whats this? a 600 euro bill from the HSE for her stay, despite the fact they ****ed up!

    this has all played out over the past few weeks against the Bertie drama, well **** him, he has had 11 years in power and this is the health service? **** him and **** anyone who defends him.you are wrong.

    and whats this? his replacement is a former Health Minister whose most notable contribution whilst in charge of the Department of Health was calling it "Angola"? thats it? thats the best man for the job?

    this post is rather long winded, but guess what? i havent had much experience of A&E prior to this, but just to remind you,i've been reading the newspapers, listening to radio etc. for the last few years before my own personal drama,we all hear about how **** the Health services are but usually its just another issue, like traffic, tax etc., but when you have had the experience i have had, you get angry. its happened to me and it might just well happen to you.


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    #46
    galah
    Registered Users Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭galah


    got plenty of experience with the 'Health' system, and I get angrier and angrier the more I think about it.
    It's a bloody joke in this country - hours on end on a trolley just to be seen by a doctor? Wards closed because they don't have enough staff? Minister and other 'responsible' people playing 'responsibility ping pong' at the expense of patients - it's all a farce, and I'm truly sick of it. And I'm not even starting to mention hygiene.

    Why can't they cut down on admin staff, streamline the processes, make people actually responsible, with the ultimate responsibility held by the health minister, employ more frontline staff with the money saved, and cut all the crap?

    maybe even raise health insurance payments a little so they can lower GPs fees - I'd rather pay a little more health insurance and then pay less or nothing at all to see a GP than the other way round.

    Also, have GPs equipped with additional equipment (e.g. Xray machines, etc) and make sure GPs are more confident about their diagnoses - at the moment, if a GP is not sure, they'll send patients to A&E - which clogs up the system and is usually not necessary (seriously, the amount of times I was told to 'take a paracetamol and if it gets worse go to A&E' is unreal). Also, more A&E departments would be a good idea - UCHG is an absolute disaster, and the town could do with another A&E department, say in the Galway Clinic or even Merlin Park.

    /rant over


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