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Internet as we use it to end by 2012 with the closure of most websites?

  • 03-06-2008 7:41pm
    #1
    darkman2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭


    http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality


    What do you think of their theory? Will we have to pay to access a select number of sites eventually? This could mean a drastic reduction in websites and the numbers that use the web. Or maybe they are just talking nonsense - I dont know. Basically they say companies are increasingly looking for an end to 'net neutrality' where we will have to buy the rights to enter all websites in the future like digital tv movie channels for example. Seems a bit suicidal for the internet if you ask me. Maybe it will never happen?

    Almost all smaller websites/services will disappear over time and multinationals who are used to using big budgets to brute force their content into every media outlet will finally be able to approach the internet in the same way.


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  • #2
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Indeed it could happen if the ISPs think there is money to be made that way. Fortunately there's lot of providers so as long as they compete we should be safe.


  • #3
    Earthhorse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    I have no doubt that many ISPs are trying to bring about such an arrangement but the truth is only a handful of companies have been able to make money out of the internet (I mean websites) so I just can't see how an ISP (or ISPs) could bring this about. Not impossible, just highly unlikely I would say, and definitely not by 2012.


  • #4
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    It will be down to policing, with a Euro YES vote for Lisbon we can expect a strict Euro / Global internet police force that will be able to monitor and raid any out of line websites despite on how they try to hide their ISP or IP address. In future all web sites may have to be registered to some international ISO standard to filter out bogus and spam sites .

    This international police force will operate under the "fight against terror" campaign. Illegal porn and torrent sites will be classified as "funding international terrorism" and anyone caught downloading the latest unreleased MP3 or Movie will be convicted of being an accessory to global terrorism. Ireland will have little say in global internet policing and will have to conform to its rules. There is already servers that can automatically pick out buzz words from any blog, email or text message, such words would include Bomb, 747, heathrow, Bush, gun, bin laden, Whitehouse, area 51 etc etc.

    I have already heard of several anti Bush campaigners being refused permission by the FBI to enter the United States from evidence taken from web sites.


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It will be down to policing, with a Euro YES vote for Lisbon we can expect a strict Euro / Global internet police force that will be able to monitor and raid any out of line websites despite on how they try to hide their ISP or IP address.

    This international police force will operate under the "fight against terror" campaign. Illegal porn and torrent sites will be classified as "funding international terrorism" and anyone caught downloading the latest unreleased MP3 or Movie will be convicted of being an accessory to global terrorism. Ireland will have little say in internet policing. There is already servers that can automatically pick out buzz words from any blog, email or text message, such words would include Bomb, 747, heathrow, Bush, gun, Whitehouse, area 51 etc etc.

    Damn. I just sent a txt about how I saw a 747 landing at heathrow airport from a Bush and its engine sounded like a large gun and how the Whitehouse would look nicer yellow and moved to area 51.

    I'm fooked.


  • #6
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm fooked.
    Stay where you are, we'll be there soon.


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  • #7
    Earthhorse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    Ah, The Lisbon Treaty, is there anything it can't do?


  • #8
    Agamemnon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    I remember reading an article about 7 years ago saying that free-to-access websites were on the way out and we'd all have to pay for decent web content. It didn't happen then and I doubt it ever will, especially these days when anyone can contribute to popular sites like Wikipedia. There will always be pay-to-access sites but their free equivalents will always exist and always be more popular.


  • #9
    xOxSinéadxOx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭xOxSinéadxOx


    that'll never happen!! no one will pay cos we've had it for free for so long


  • #10
    jesus_thats_gre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Enthusiasts could just run their own version of the current internet...


  • #11
    kerash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭kerash


    xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »
    that'll never happen!! no one will pay cos we've had it for free for so long

    Two words, Bottled Water;)


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  • #12
    andrew
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    Wouldn't every ISP in the world have to get on line for this to happen though? I don't really get it...either way, theres no way in hell the internet population (or whatever) will stand for pay per access, there are ways around things, there are always ways around.

    I heard yesterday that everytime someone votes yes for lisbon god will strangle a dolphin.


  • #13
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,179 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    I would hope that people vote with their feet and mass boycott the whole thing if it came to pass. If it is the case that the internet will be privatized its absolutely ridiculous. Corporations have been involved in so much crap, basically exploitation and now this?! Fck them, there has to be a mass revolt. This kind of society where profit margins take precedence over people, over everything in general is b0llocks.

    How does this make sense, basically all it will take is as the dude said, one provider to offer free access and then way more people are going to use it and see crappy advertisements anyway thereby making more money for all parties involved.


  • #14
    m83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭m83


    not a hope in hell.


  • #15
    Davidius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭Davidius


    Not to fear, I've already started work on my own intarwebz.


  • #16
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,179 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    The vid does seem like a spoof though, especially when it randomly cuts to the shot of the chick with big tits and the fact that the address ends in lol


  • #17
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    kerash wrote: »
    Two words, Bottled Water;)

    Two more words: Tap water;)


  • #18
    Naikon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    Not a hope in hell this will ever happen.
    Teh Internetz is the last bastion of hope in an increasingly bureaucratic
    and politically correct world. //sheds a tear.


  • #19
    the whole year inn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    this will never happen,never ever!


  • #20
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,179 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    the vid is a total hoax


  • #21
    SonicYouth808
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭SonicYouth808


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Damn. I just sent a txt about how I saw a 747 landing at heathrow airport from a Bush and its engine sounded like a large gun and how the Whitehouse would look nicer yellow and moved to area 51.

    I'm fooked.

    making light of the possibly non-existant situation.I like it

    however its a very possible situation in a certain scenario.For example if another international terrorism crises were to happen with the right leaders in place a security lockdown involving communications screening and trial-less incarceration like happens to a lesser extent in the U.S could very likely happen.

    But personally i think that there are such worse things we face than no internet by 2012.If global warming continues the way it does we might not have half as much potable water as we do now by 2020


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  • #22
    Gegerty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 899 ✭✭✭Gegerty


    World Wide Web <> (does not equal) The Internet


  • #23
    'Ol Jack Chance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭'Ol Jack Chance


    SonicYouth808 wrote: »
    If global warming continues the way it does we might not have half as much potable water as we do now by 2020

    everyone knows global warming is a communist lie


  • #24
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    Just call Chloe O'Brien


  • #25
    dade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭dade


    ehh it'll happen in 2012 isn't teh world gonna end then anyway so whats to worry about


  • #26
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,147 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    I'm downloading *.* from the internet to an external drive now. *Peeks at title bar* Could take a while.

    Link


  • #27
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Well if Jim Corr is right the interweb is watching us in our rooms already so I'm leaving and so will not be paying for anything - not even girl/girl akhsun!

    Mike.


  • #28
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MarkR wrote: »
    I'm downloading *.* from the internet to an external drive now. *Peeks at title bar* Could take a while.

    Link

    Quick! You've insufficient memory on C:\. You have to insert a disc into A:\!


  • #29
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    This is more of that anti-net neutrality crap. Get this:
    1. Companies laid down network pipes with massive government assistance (ie taxpayer funded).
    2. They charge you for your connection, fair enough.
    3. They charge hosting companies for their connection, also fair enough.
    4. Now they see that popular websites are getting loads of cash, so they want to charge them more money for high speed access, although they already pay for high speed access. Charge the website owners and content creators because they made good stuff that people want to use.

    Greed, stupidity, ignorance, gah. Die already.


  • #30
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    It'll never happen.

    Would love to see them try though and have millions of DDos attacks occur on the same day.


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  • #31
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    Earthhorse wrote: »
    Ah, The Lisbon Treaty, is there anything it can't do?

    you won't get away with comments like that when the lisbon treaty passes. you'll hear a rustling behind you and then all of a sudden the treaty will be stangling you for your insolence


  • #32
    newestUser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭newestUser


    A cursory browse through the google search results for net neutrality gives the following:

    http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality.html

    http://www.savetheinternet.com/=faq

    From these, I get the impression that broadband providers aren't looking to make users pay for content, instead they're trying to get providers of content to pay for better performance of their website (eg if you don't pay $X, your website only loads at 10% speed or something).

    What might happen is that some broadband companies might end up being subsidised by the content providers. Maybe youtube, google, etc, might pay these providers big bucks to guarantee that their content streams at 100% efficiency. This might enable the broadband providers to offer their service at a lower cost than their competitors, which might work out cheaper if you mainly use the web to access these big sites.

    Would you subscribe to a broadband service if it was 5 euro a month, but if you accessed any site other than google/youtube/ebay/microsoft etc you'd had to pay x cents per megabyte if you wanted to connect at a speed faster than dialup? I'd say loads of people would. And for people who wouldn't, there would be alternative broadband providers providing the service we're familiar with today at the prices we're currently paying.


  • #33
    ArseBurger
    Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭ArseBurger


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It will be down to policing, with a Euro YES vote for Lisbon we can expect a strict Euro / Global internet police force that will be able to monitor and raid any out of line websites despite on how they try to hide their ISP or IP address.

    What has Lisbon got to do with this? If you think that the various police forces don't already cooperate then you're sadly mistaken.

    One word: Interpol


  • #34
    2 stroke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭2 stroke


    I recon that the free internet will be so full of spam, ads ect that it will become unusable. I'm prepared though I've saved a copy of the internet to floppy.


  • #35
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    That lady had nice boobs and then the video stopped playing.

    Unternet for the win!


  • #36
    neacy69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭neacy69


    What this Internet thing yie are all talking about?


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  • #37
    SonicYouth808
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭SonicYouth808


    'Ol wrote:
    everyone knows global warming is a communist lie

    BULLL****!!!
    you mean you,some ignorant guy at a desktop thinks global warming is a "communist lie",not everbody

    and calling it a communist lie shows that you have no idea what your talking about!!Why the **** do you say its communist???Your just looking for someone to blame and sound clever at the same time!!

    a**hole


  • #38
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,650 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    kerash wrote: »
    Two words, Bottled Water;)

    Two more words: Sky Football.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #39
    neacy69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭neacy69


    SonicYouth808 wrote: »
    BULLL****!!!
    you mean you,some ignorant guy at a desktop thinks global warming is a "communist lie",not everbody

    and calling it a communist lie shows that you have no idea what your talking about!!Why the **** do you say its communist???Your just looking for someone to blame and sound clever at the same time!!

    a**hole

    I believe he meant to say:
    everyone knows global warming is a communist lie


  • #40
    SonicYouth808
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭SonicYouth808


    thats not what it looks like to me.Some people are stupid and dont want to see that,communist or not, global warming isnt a lie and has been proven

    but now that we think of it isnt this a thread about the internet and not global warming?


  • #41
    The Bollox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭The Bollox


    SonicYouth808 wrote: »
    BULLL****!!!
    you mean you,some ignorant guy at a desktop thinks global warming is a "communist lie",not everbody

    and calling it a communist lie shows that you have no idea what your talking about!!Why the **** do you say its communist???Your just looking for someone to blame and sound clever at the same time!!

    a**hole
    oh dear


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  • #42
    neacy69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭neacy69


    SonicYouth808 wrote: »
    thats not what it looks like to me.Some people are stupid and dont want to see that,communist or not, global warming isnt a lie and has been proven EPIC FAIL global warming is a myth that needs more research and has never been proven beyond a doubt

    but now that we think of it isnt this a thread about the internet and not global warming?

    Correct maybe we should get back on the topic:

    The internet: maybe when these apparent plans are implemented then people can stop using the internet to pedal the rumor mill that spues out comspiract theories such as....global warming!


  • #43
    SonicYouth808
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭SonicYouth808


    explain


  • #44
    neacy69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭neacy69


    SonicYouth808 wrote: »
    explain

    Explain what?


  • #45
    SonicYouth808
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭SonicYouth808


    explain your belief that global warming hasnt been proven

    yes there has been warming periods in the past but none nearly on the scale of the one now.As the amount of cars etc goes up,so does the temperature and various flora are dying en masse because the creatures that ate them arent being killed by harsh winters or because its simply too hot


  • #46
    neacy69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭neacy69


    I think this arguement is best suited for another thread or PM............and TBH i am only trying to wind you up.....I do believe that the climate we live in is changing but that it is a natural progression and nothing to do with us or what we do while we are here...The very nature of life and living things is evolution therefore thing must evolve and change in order to survive- I can go into this in more detail but as i said this prob isnt the right place


  • #47
    Karoma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭Karoma


    SonicYouth808 wrote: »
    BULLL****!!!
    you mean you,some ignorant guy at a desktop thinks global warming is a "communist lie",not everbody

    and calling it a communist lie shows that you have no idea what your talking about!!Why the **** do you say its communist???Your just looking for someone to blame and sound clever at the same time!!

    a**hole
    Infracted - for being a Pinko.


  • #48
    SonicYouth808
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭SonicYouth808


    yeah your probably right the last few posts have been a running battle between liberalism and Ol'Glory weilding constervatives :)


  • #49
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    neacy69 wrote: »
    I think this arguement is best suited for another thread or PM............and TBH i am only trying to wind you up.....I do believe that the climate we live in is changing but that it is a natural progression and nothing to do with is or what we do while we are here...The very nature of life and living things is evolution therefore thing must evolve and change in order to surevive I can go into this in more detail but as i said this prob isnt the right place
    Or the brand new Global Warming social group!


  • #50
    SonicYouth808
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭SonicYouth808


    well,for my flying-the-flag-for-earth-ism i was infracted

    maybe i should be more diplomatic next time instead of flying into a Neacy69 directed rage
    Turns out he was a reasonable guy


  • #51
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    SonicYouth808 wrote: »
    well,for my flying-the-flag-for-earth-ism i was infracted

    maybe i should be more diplomatic next time instead of flying into a Neacy69 directed rage
    Turns out he was a reasonable guy
    You were infracted for personal abuse I'd imagine, it's not kosher to be going around calling others assholes here.


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