FG, Lab other support Stag Hunting

ANXIOUS · 30-06-2010 2:16pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

nonsense. gormley and the greens are on record as saying they want to see an end to all animal-animal hunting. that means ferreting,ratting,hawking hunting,coursing etc.......

They probally are on record as saying that, but its not in the PROGRAMME FOR GOVERMENT. So its not going to happen, your working yourself up for nothing.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 2:17pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Good for them. Thats what greens do and i would suggest they have the support of 90% of the Irish population.

You are a tiny, but vocal, minority and the idea that you are the issue that will swing an election is laughable.

the only vocal minority pushing thier agenda is the green party... 2% rating:rolleyes:
you think td wont win/loose seats over this? watch and see.

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-06-2010 2:17pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

no. never hunted on horse.
i hunt foot harriers. with trencher fed packs. ordinary working class men who keep a hound or 3 and meet of a sunday for a days hunting.
no west brit pomp, no fancy landrovers etc...just proud irish men out enjoying their countryside and their hounds,

But can you not "enjoying their countryside and their hounds" without killing things?

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 2:18pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

They probally are on record as saying that, but its not in the PROGRAMME FOR GOVERMENT. So its not going to happen, your working yourself up for nothing.

it sure wont happen, rise has made sure of that.

P. Breathnach · 30-06-2010 2:18pm

lazygal wrote: »

It is "Have you ever gone stag hunting". Do they not teach grammer down the country or were you out killing animals for kicks that day?

I love irony.

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-06-2010 2:19pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

the only vocal minority pushing thier agenda is the green party... 2% rating:rolleyes:
you think td wont win/loose seats over this? watch and see.

Their rating is irrelevent. They are in government and pushing their stated policy, and got one of two bills through.

You are on a different planet if you think you have the numbers to dislodge TD's who take a moral stance against your barbaric hobby

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 2:21pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But can you not "enjoying their countryside and their hounds" without killing things?

i hunt cos i love hounds. farmers let me on thier land so i'll kill pests. simple. any auld mutt can follow a laid trail. it takes well bred,looked after hounds to follow a hare or fox, even then they only catch the slow and weak. a good fox/hare will always get away. anyway thats another thread.

ANXIOUS · 30-06-2010 2:23pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

it sure wont happen, rise has made sure of that.

Your posts are Extremely Ignorant.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 2:23pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Their rating is irrelevent. They are in government and pushing their stated policy, and got one of two bills through.

You are on a different planet if you think you have the numbers to dislodge TD's who take a moral stance against your barbaric hobby

we'll see. also i cant see the dog breeding bill getting through without the exemptions required by greyhound and hunt kennells. time will tell.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 2:25pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Your posts are Extremely Ignorant.

why? its true. rise has made followers of rural sports wake up to this atatck by stealth,one sport at a time agenda of the green party and anti hunting groups.

lazygal · 30-06-2010 2:27pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Have you ever went stag hunting?

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I love irony.

My bad!

dlofnep · 30-06-2010 2:34pm

P. Breathnach wrote: »

[I heard no report of what SF did. I presume they also came out in favour of using a pack of dogs to hunt down a farm animal.]

I'd be interested to hear too if you know. I've been too busy to watch the oireachtas report in full.

I'm a SF voter, but I'm very much against the hunting of animals. I think they should be banned altogether as a sport. I've no qualms with a farmer trying to protect his lifestock against foxes and such - but shooting animals as a sport is just wrong. I wish all parties took a more pro-animal rights stance - and it's a shame that party politics has yet again come into play. That's why politics in this country needs a huge reform.

lazygal · 30-06-2010 2:35pm

The official report shows that all SF deptuties voted Níl, ie opposed the Bill FYI!

ETA this is the link to the debate:
http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20100629.xml&Node=H12#H12

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 2:39pm

sinn fein passed a motion at this yrs ard eis supporting hunting and coursing and the contribution they make socially and economicly to rural communities.
martin ferris( of army council fame) was a major push behind it. like it or not republicans/socialists/lefties can enjoy hunting just as much as horay henrys from d4.
hunting hounds is hugely popular along the border in counties like monaghan and fermanagh. and im not talking mounted hunts with red jackets, just foot packs irish men doing what their fathers and great fathers did before them.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 2:41pm

i've hunted my self with lads along the border. all republican/nationalist backrounds. they had better hunting during the troubles cos all the roads were blown up and they didnt have to woory bout hounds getting knocked down crossing roads by cars;)

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-06-2010 2:44pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

i hunt cos i love hounds. farmers let me on thier land so i'll kill pests. simple. any auld mutt can follow a laid trail. it takes well bred,looked after hounds to follow a hare or fox, even then they only catch the slow and weak. a good fox/hare will always get away. anyway thats another thread.

But can you not just go for a walk with the dog without feeling the need to kill things?

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-06-2010 2:46pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

sinn fein passed a motion at this yrs ard eis supporting hunting and coursing and the contribution they make socially and economicly to rural communities.
martin ferris( of army council fame) was a major push behind it. like it or not republicans/socialists/lefties can enjoy hunting just as much as horay henrys from d4.
hunting hounds is hugely popular along the border in counties like monaghan and fermanagh. and im not talking mounted hunts with red jackets, just foot packs irish men doing what their fathers and great fathers did before them.

No-one in D4 hunts. The 'class' element is irrelevant. This is being banned because its cruel, not because of the background of blood sports enthusiasts.

Explain to me the economic value of bloodsports?

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 2:47pm

i dont feel they need to kill. some of the best days hunting i've had the fox got away.

dlofnep · 30-06-2010 2:51pm

Well I'm personally dissapointed with the vote. I will write to all SF TD's about this and express my dissapointment with it.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 2:51pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

No-one in D4 hunts. The 'class' element is irrelevant. This is being banned because its cruel, not because of the background of blood sports enthusiasts.

Explain to me the economic value of bloodsports?

isnt johnnny roanan of nama fame a ward union rider? the greens really pushed this whole upper class colonial spin every chance they got. and their is a (false) perception out their that only right wing landed gentry hunt and its a sport for snobs.
all the men i hunt with hunt on foot,are all working class, not a snob in sight.

as for econmaic value-horses and hounds need food,vets, kennell men yard men etc..........b and b,pubs all do trade cos of hunting and coursing etc...

ANXIOUS · 30-06-2010 2:54pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Well I'm personally dissapointed with the vote. I will write to all SF TD's about this and express my dissapointment with it.

Dont bother writing to Arthur Morgan, he was kicked out :rolleyes:.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 2:54pm

i was at a meet in limerick last yr. quite village. at half ten that morning the pub was packed, after the hunt the pub was packed again. that pub owner probably did a weeks trade in one day. does he want to see hunting banned?

Macha · 30-06-2010 2:57pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

i was at a meet in limerick last yr. quite village. at half ten that morning the pub was packed, after the hunt the pub was packed again. that pub owner probably did a weeks trade in one day. does he want to see hunting banned?

Is it the case that under the legislation just passed that hunt cannot happen?

dlofnep · 30-06-2010 2:57pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

i was at a meet in limerick last yr. quite village. at half ten that morning the pub was packed, after the hunt the pub was packed again. that pub owner probably did a weeks trade in one day. does he want to see hunting banned?

Look, most hunter's couldn't give a toss about the economic benefits. They just want a day out in the fresh air with their guns. I get it. I understand the thrill that they might get from chasing down animals.

But for me personally, I think shooting animals for sport is very cruel. Animals have feelings just like human beings. When you kill an animal, you could leave it's children without parents, left to starve. Hunters don't think of the consequences. They don't think of animal's lives as significant. The sport of hunting sickens me.

nacho libre · 30-06-2010 2:59pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

i dont feel they need to kill. some of the best days hunting i've had the fox got away.

how would you feel if someone terrorised your dog for no other reason than their own gratification?
would you be of the view because that person is are of a higher consciousness, what your dogs feels is irrevelant?

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-06-2010 2:59pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

i was at a meet in limerick last yr. quite village. at half ten that morning the pub was packed, after the hunt the pub was packed again. that pub owner probably did a weeks trade in one day. does he want to see hunting banned?

I was at the funeral of a chap who was murdered.

Before the funeral the pub was packed. After it it was packed.

Does he want to see murder banned?

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 3:00pm

no the leg just passed wont effect that. but we see the banning of the ward as the thin end of a wedge against all forms of hunting. thats why i personally fought against it and support the ward. the leg' wont effect most hunters but thats not the point, its united we stand........

Macha · 30-06-2010 3:00pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

no the leg just passed wont effect that. but we see the banning of the ward as the thin end of a wedge against all forms of hunting. thats why i personally fought against it and support the ward. the leg' wont effect most hunters but thats not the point, its united we stand........

Do you have any evidence that this is the thin end of the wedge?

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 3:01pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I was at the funeral of a chap who was murdered.

Before the funeral the pub was packed. After it it was packed.

Does he want to see murder banned?

dont be silly. i was asked about economic benifits, i was just giving an example.

ANXIOUS · 30-06-2010 3:01pm

taconnol wrote: »

Is it the case that under the legislation just passed that hunt cannot happen?

Dont think so, this bill shut one hunt in North County Dublin.

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-06-2010 3:03pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

dont be silly. i was asked about economic benifits, i was just giving an example.

So your example is that people spent money in a different pub.

Is that it?

Lots of things with economic benifits are banned. See heroin for an example.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 3:06pm

well ten people will loose their jobs if the ward shuts down. people earn money by providing services to hunts and hunters eg feed livery vets etc....
my own local vet was at the dail to support the ward with rise.

dlofnep · 30-06-2010 3:12pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

well ten people will loose their jobs if the ward shuts down. people earn money by providing services to hunts and hunters eg feed livery vets etc....
my own local vet was at the dail to support the ward with rise.

So if people are earning a living supporting people who engage in dog fighting - would you be equally as supportive, in the name of job retention?

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 3:14pm

dlofnep wrote: »

So if people are earning a living supporting people who engage in dog fighting - would you be equally as supportive, in the name of job retention?

no

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 3:21pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Look, most hunter's couldn't give a toss about the economic benefits. They just want a day out in the fresh air with their guns. I get it. I understand the thrill that they might get from chasing down animals.

But for me personally, I think shooting animals for sport is very cruel. Animals have feelings just like human beings. When you kill an animal, you could leave it's children without parents, left to starve. Hunters don't think of the consequences. They don't think of animal's lives as significant. The sport of hunting sickens me.

thats why we have seasons, so all young and off spring can be reared. hunters do more for the conservation of habitat and animals then most greenie types.

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-06-2010 3:23pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

no

so you see our point here....

flutered · 30-06-2010 3:23pm

Grumpypants wrote: »

And you understand the difference between that and "hunting" a large domesticated animal that will run into school yards and peoples gardens.

stag hunting in only done in certain areas, not willy nilly as most people seem to believe, down through the years people involved with the hunt are financially rewarded to make sure that the stag is not killed by hounds, in my area in the year 1918 the reward was £1 per individual.
btw hunting has been practiced since the dawn of time, to local communitys hunting is both recreational and buisness, reading this thread it seems that people pelieve only what they want to, why has some one not started a campaign to stop the sea eagle and the golden eagle from being introduced, they both kill county animals, why not get rid of the fox, it kills rats, mice, hedgehogs, chickens, lambs etc

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-06-2010 3:24pm

flutered wrote: »

stag hunting in only done in certain areas, not willy nilly as most people seem to believe, down through the years people involved with the hunt are financially rewarded to make sure that the stag is not killed by hounds, in my area in the year 1918 the reward was £1 per individual.
btw hunting has been practiced since the dawn of time, to local communitys hunting is both recreational and buisness, reading this thread it seems that people pelieve only what they want to, why has some one not started a campaign to stop the sea eagle and the golden eagle from being introduced, they both kill county animals, why not get rid of the fox, it kills rats, mice, hedgehogs, chickens, lambs etc

Because they killing to eat.

Not for the craic.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 3:25pm

no i thought it was silly comparison.

OhNoYouDidn't · 30-06-2010 3:27pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

no i thought it was silly comparison.

Its not actually.

You object to dog fighting and admit the economic arguements are moot.

I object to all dog hunts and to me the economic arguements are moot.

The only difference is what we define as cruel.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 3:30pm

you asked what were the economic benifits, i replied with a sound answer then you moved the goal posts.

flutered · 30-06-2010 3:30pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Alcohol abuse and incest are part of rural life.
proof please, that is one hell a statement, please substantiate that, in my area the poineer association, has roughly 100 members in a population of 900, incest i cannot say how many are involved as i do not have your information to hand.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 3:34pm

im away...dogs need tending;)

dlofnep · 30-06-2010 3:34pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

no

So why the distinction between one animal and not another?

dlofnep · 30-06-2010 3:36pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

thats why we have seasons, so all young and off spring can be reared. hunters do more for the conservation of habitat and animals then most greenie types.

Seasons. I see. Are you aware of how long all animals that you hunt are dependant on their mothers?

dlofnep · 30-06-2010 3:39pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

you asked what were the economic benifits, i replied with a sound answer then you moved the goal posts.

But surely if you list economic benefits as a reason for keeping blood-sports alive, then it is up for scrutinization. I don't see money as a valid argument for killing animals for fun. If that were the case, then it would also be a valid argument for those who make a living out of dog fighting.

reprazant · 30-06-2010 3:47pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

this bill caused more trouble for ff then nama ffs!

Is this a joke?

Something a effects 2% of the population has caused more problems then NAMA? Something the vast majority of the population were/are against?

FF will be out in the next election and it will have nothing to do with this bill.

Wide Road · 30-06-2010 4:32pm

reprazant wrote: »

Is this a joke?

Something a effects 2% of the population has caused more problems then NAMA? Something the vast majority of the population were/are against?

FF will be out in the next election and it will have nothing to do with this bill.

So why did Labour go and vote against one of their few policies? Add in Alan Shatter of FG. If it's so unimportant why do it? Why the silence from the opposition?

reprazant · 30-06-2010 4:46pm

Wide Road wrote: »

So why did Labour go and vote against one of their few policies? Add in Alan Shatter of FG. If it's so unimportant why do it? Why the silence from the opposition?

Because they will vote on anything which will embarrass the government.

round tower huntsman · 30-06-2010 4:46pm

reprazant wrote: »

Is this a joke?

Something a effects 2% of the population has caused more problems then NAMA? Something the vast majority of the population were/are against?

FF will be out in the next election and it will have nothing to do with this bill.

eh! i didnt say the government would fall over this. i said td's will loose/gain seats over this.
that is exactly why labour voted against the bill, to gain lost ff rural votes.
by the way how many td's spoke ff td's stirred trouble over nama?
how many indo's split over nama?
this was a crisis that should never have been. country's broke and in the shxt and we're talking bout banning a stag hunt(which actually provides jobs and revenue).

FG, Lab other support Stag Hunting

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