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"We voted Yes to Lisbon, now where are the jobs Fianna Fail?"

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    #62
    jacaranda
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    No one knows what the next few months or years will mean to both the Euro or to the EU.

    What appears reasonably certain is that the EU is not universally popular across the EU. If the Euro, as predicted, falls asunder with a sort of "Deutsche-Euro" or similar, then the political ramifications could be fatal for the EU.

    It seems that, with every decision, from banning turf cutting, to fisheries policy and so on, the EU alienates more and more people. I have a hunch they next few years will be politically turbulent and hope one result of that is to hand back power to the people and a return to a proper form of democracy.


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    #63
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    jacaranda wrote: »
    It seems that, with every decision, from banning turf cutting, to fisheries policy and so on, the EU alienates more and more people. I have a hunch they next few years will be politically turbulent and hope one result of that is to hand back power to the people and a return to a proper form of democracy.

    Well, our own government has been alienating loads of people with a lot of its decisions over that last year or two - that doesn't mean people are there going "Should we have an Ireland?". Likewise, I suspect that, apart from the usual Eurosceptic crowd, most people are not going "Should we have an EU?".


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    #64
    djpbarry
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    jacaranda wrote: »
    If the Euro, as predicted, falls asunder with a sort of "Deutsche-Euro" or similar...
    Predicted by who?
    jacaranda wrote: »
    It seems that, with every decision, from banning turf cutting, to fisheries policy and so on, the EU alienates more and more people.
    Eurobarometer surveys suggest otherwise - opposition to and support for EU membership have remained relatively stable for a number of years across the EU:

    http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb72/eb72_first_en.pdf


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    #65
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Predicted by who?
    Eurobarometer surveys suggest otherwise - opposition to and support for EU membership have remained relatively stable for a number of years across the EU:

    http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb72/eb72_first_en.pdf

    Indeed - it actually looks more like the specific decision in any given case annoys some and different people, but doesn't make them ask "why should we have an EU?". The people who ask "why should we have an EU?" for any given decision, on the other hand, tend to be the same people every time.

    To put it more succinctly, the EU annoys most of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time. The numbers of the latter across the EU have been relatively steady for years.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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