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Star Wars: The Force Awakens [** SPOILERS FROM POST 4472 ONWARD **]

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  • #802
    Adamantium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    pixelburp wrote: »
    I always feel genuine, honest sympathy for the hundreds who worked behind-the-scenes on Episode 1, because there must have been a point, some horrible, soul-destroying moment, when they released their dream come true was a waking nightmare and they were all working on what amounted to cinematic diarrhoea.

    It must have been a particular hurt for the FX artists, people for whom the pioneering FX work from the original trilogy likely inspired them to follow this career path. After their initial elation at the prospect of working on a new Star Wars film would have come the disappointment of what it would actually involve. We scoff now, but let's face it, pre May 1999 many of us would have positively stoked at the prospect of a new Star Wars trilogy.

    It's funny by the mid 90's, if Lucas had simply done nothing more for the rest of his life and outsourced to everybody else you could genuinely call him cinematic genius for how he changed the industry to the way it is (for better or worse). He didn't need to do anything. The man had come out two of the most hailed trilogies in history (SW and Indy).

    A pity he had to publicly humiliate himself and feel the need to carry a self inflicted cross, for the next two. Maybe McCallum and the rest, likely convinced themselves that it was blip and it would motivate the spark "genius" that Lucas had in his younger days.

    Apparently he had considered letting Kasdan and Frank Darabount and others to write and direct the next two. He may have thought well "well only I know the story, therefore if I screw it up, it's only right I unscrew it in the next two". Some body should have said " You don't have to do this George by yourself". Such as the madness in most geniuses!

    I find it him an incredibly intriguing man and life story, and It'd be sad to seem him die. The connection theses movies have to the collective consciousness is fascinating and unlike any other media franchise I've ever seen.

    The truth is though that without Empire Strikes Back and Kurtz (and the protection it was afforded) and other writers, editor Marcia Lucas and producers, a Jar Jar Binks or Ewok level event would have happened far earlier in the series.

    ~The series would have become a blip in itself.

    Episode VII should focus on it's new era theme, and only that. I want to see something new from Star Wars not just a rehash of old ****, which is one of the major flaws with the prequel trilogy at heart. None of that "poetry" I want to see Abrams make something new out of it. This doesn't mean there can't be throwbacks or anything like that, I just don't want the same arcs of themes that the previous two trilogies have.

    Give us a Star Wars that perhaps deconstructs concepts like Jedi and Sith on an intellectual level (though this doesn't mean it has to soley target adults).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjIjsZp_Y


    old-luke.jpg

    Fisher looking suprisingly well.

    Carrie-Fisher.jpg?itok=ZbbZi4ZX


  • #803
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Goodshape wrote: »
    How do we know this? Haven't heard of a pre-release "Lucas edit" before.

    I know it from being really old.

    Wikipedia says the following, but pretends that it was Lucas who was shocked by the first cut. Nope: the studio were shocked, and sent in Hirsch and Chew to fix it. Jympson's cut was a disaster because he did what Lucas told him to do.

    Already anxious about meeting his deadline, Lucas was shocked when editor John Jympson's first cut of the film was a "complete disaster". According to an article in Star Wars Insider No. 41 by David West Reynolds, this first edit of Star Wars contained about 30–40% different footage from the final version. This included scenes that have never been seen elsewhere along with alternate takes of existing scenes. After attempting to persuade Jympson to cut the film his way, Lucas replaced him with Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew. He also allowed his then-wife Marcia Lucas to aid the editing process while she was cutting the film New York, New York with Lucas's friend Martin Scorsese. Richard Chew found the film had an unenergetic pace; it had been cut in a by-the-book manner: scenes were played out in master shots that flowed into close-up coverage. He found that the pace was dictated by the actors instead of the cuts.


  • #804
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Has anyone ever tried watching them in the machete order?


  • #805
    roanoke
    Registered Users Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭roanoke


    david75 wrote: »
    Has anyone ever tried watching them in the machete order?

    Yes, I have. It's a great alternative way to watch them. If you're in the mood to watch all the movies (whether 5 or all 6) then Machete feels more coherent and satisfying than just going 123456 or 456123.

    For instance with machete it was the first time I ever really consciously felt a connection that the man behind Vaders mask was the Anakin we see in Ep2 and 3. Before I was just 'watching Anakin' or 'watching Vader'. They never really felt like one and the same to me somehow.


  • #806
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭tigger123


    There's a fantastic documentary on Netflix called "The People Vs George Lucas". I avoided it for a while as I thought it would just be a piece to give him a kicking, but it's actually quite balanced. As a fan it helps you understand some of the motivations in the questionable decisions he made. It doesn't try to excuse them, nor should it, but just lays it all out.


  • #807
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Adamantium wrote: »
    I actually prefer this to the original ending with that terrible yub, nub ****e, even the Hayden part is pretty cool,the celebrations across other planets, even if it doesn't make all that much sense. It's the only change that actually improves the OT.

    There's much more a feel of 'the war is finally over, we are finally free' and it makes me feel really happy. It's a brilliant ending and incredibly warm/cheerful/mournful and nostalgic all within seconds of each other. Simple but beautiful.

    Ohhhhh...You just got a virtual slap there.

    The new ending to 'Return of the Jedi' was one of the most stupid things Lucas did to the original film and that includes that piss-poor song in Jabba's palace.

    The idea that the entire Empire would collapse because of a local victory is absurd. The Empire is not just Palpatine and Vader. It's a huge galaxy wide power, at least according to the vague lore built up in the previous pictures. It's just a ridiculous idea that it would suddenly fall apart, simply because of a defeat on some obscure moon. If the rebels had captured the Death Star and blew Coruscant to pieces, then their might be a case, but even then it wouldn't happen.

    BTW, Nub Nub was the best thing the Ewoks ever did.


  • #808
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    pixelburp wrote: »
    I always feel genuine, honest sympathy for the hundreds who worked behind-the-scenes on Episode 1, because there must have been a point, some horrible, soul-destroying moment, when they realised their dream come true was a waking nightmare and they were all working on what amounted to cinematic diarrhoea.

    It must have been a particular hurt for the FX artists, people for whom the pioneering FX work from the original trilogy likely inspired them to follow this career path. After their initial elation at the prospect of working on a new Star Wars film (imagine how much they would have boasted to friends & family) came the disappointment of what it would actually involve. We scoff now, but let's face it, pre May 1999 many of us were positively stoked at the prospect of a new Star Wars trilogy.

    Absolutely, and I made so many bloody excuses for it after I'd first seen it.

    My last one was that it would have been a fine chapter if only Jar Jar wasn't involved.

    But, no. It's not just because of that prick. It's simply an awful film. Which makes things even worse because...and I say this without any joking whatsoever...what all of the resources that Lucas had at his disposal, I would have made a masterpiece.


  • #809
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Absolutely, and I made so many bloody excuses for it after I'd first seen it.

    My last one was that it would have been a fine chapter if only Jar Jar wasn't involved.

    But, no. It's not just because of that prick. It's simply an awful film. Which makes things even worse because...and I say this without any joking whatsoever...what all of the resources that Lucas had at his disposal, I would have made a masterpiece.

    I still think it is the best of the PT.

    Least worst?


  • #810
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Goodshape wrote: »
    How do we know this? Haven't heard of a pre-release "Lucas edit" before.

    He means post production.


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  • #811
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    I still think it is the best of the PT.

    Least worst?

    The final half of 'Revenge of the Sith' is all I can watch now. At least it had a bit of balls.

    But, even so...

    No, they're all just terrible films. There's no real redemption for them. They're all completely soulless in they're own way.

    The worst, by far though, is 'Attack of the Clones'. Even the title deserves ridicule.


  • #812
    thegreengoblin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    Tony EH wrote: »
    The final half of 'Revenge of the Sith' is all I can watch now. At least it had a bit of balls.

    But, even so...

    No, they're all just terrible films. There's no real redemption for them. They're all completely soulless in they're own way.

    The worst, by far though, is 'Attack of the Clones'. Even the title deserves ridicule.

    Ewan McGregor certainly thought it did :pac:



  • #813
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Best thing about the prequels is Duel of the Fates


  • #814
    thegreengoblin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Best thing about the prequels is Duel of the Fates

    On its own yes... but the fact it keeps jumping to toe-curling scenes of a whining brat shouting 'yeeeeehhhoooooooo' while flying a spaceship and a so-called 'battle' featuring some of the worst CGI in film-making history ruins it somewhat for me.

    For me the best thing in the prequels was Ian McDiarmid. It was a piece of cake for him, culminating with that brilliant scene with Anakin at the opera. Although Lucas had to go and spoil it all by getting him to ham it up in ROTS to the point where he was just a cartoon figure.

    I also thought the post-fight scene on Mustafar with Obi Wan and Anakin was tremendous. It was heartbreaking stuff and they carried it off so well.


  • #815
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    I still think it is the best of the PT.

    Least worst?

    Phantom Menace had the benefit of being shot on 35mm so if nothing else it had the right visual texture, as opposed to the 2 sequels that were shot on digital and looked like shiny videogame cut scenes; Episode 1 looked like a proper epic, old-fashioned film at times, and that's about all the positive you can say about it, I should hurriedly add.

    Also, Phantom Menace had the benefit of containing none of the hamfisted, awful romantic plot & dialogue that pushed Episodes two and three into the realms of true, inescapable ineptitude.

    "You are so beautiful!"
    "It's only because I'm so in love..."
    "No, it's because I'm so in love with you."

    :pac:


  • #816
    Adamantium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Ohhhhh...You just got a virtual slap there.

    I'll need chalomine lotion after all these responses :pac::D

    Yeah I agree ROTJ could have been truly exceptional if OTHER EXCEPTIONAL (Marcia Lucas, Frank Oz, Gary Kurtz, Kershner)
    people had been able to save Lucas, from himself, but he wouldn't allow it.

    Its been well speculated , some think George Lucas has some low level form of Asperger's or Autism (but never diagnosed) I only heard this recently, and having seen interviews of him down through the years and working with others, especially his scripts, I'd also believe it.

    Anyway that Kurtz interview is really worth checking out

    http://ie.ign.com/articles/2002/11/11/an-interview-with-gary-kurtz

    66 photos of the making of EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Looks amazing. Pic 4 is come at me bro!

    http://imgur.com/a/HGtG0

    alVAag9.jpg


    http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1d7v8j/


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  • #817
    Adamantium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Best thing about the prequels is Duel of the Fates

    If the prequel trilogy had been turned into sort of tragic opera musical (and the prequel trilogy was exactly in that (the dresses, the costumes, the politics the theatrical dialogue in the end result (Imagine Othello). It never felt like something that needed to be made in the form it's in

    It would have been amazing and we wouldn't be caring about it, because it would be different to the originals and incredibly unique way of bringing something back from the past, if Lucas had collaborated.

    Star Wars OT changed cinema for the masses.

    Star Wars PT could have changed musicals for the masses.
    A John Williams musical, I'd have gone and seen that!


    That's the kind "out there, crazy, mental" that the whole enterprise started out with.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSCm8yAxBr8


  • #818
    Goodshape
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    david75 wrote: »
    Has anyone ever tried watching them in the machete order?

    Yeah, I watched them in machete order last year. Genuinely fantastic viewing. For those unaware, 'Machete Order' is watching them like so:

    Episode 4
    Episode 5
    Episode 2
    Episode 3
    Episode 6

    – so after the cliffhanger in Empire, and just after discovering who Darth Vader really is, you get a "flashback" to how all that came to be. Then the conclusion in ROTJ wraps it all up. No Phantom Menace because that's unbearable and really adds nothing at all to the story.

    It's really the only sensible way to watch them. 123456 ruins the revelation in ESB, and 456123 doesn't have a satisfying ending at all.

    Machete Order for the win.


    Also, when I did this I watched the fan-edited "DESPECIALIZED EDITION" of the original trilogy. It takes the best, highest quality, source material without any of the Special Edition FX and edits together to match the original theatrical cut of the films. Fantastic quality. Fantastic edit. The only way to watch Star Wars IMO.


  • #819
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Phantom Menace had the benefit of being shot on 35mm so if nothing else it had the right visual texture, as opposed to the 2 sequels that were shot on digital and looked like shiny videogame cut scenes; Episode 1 looked like a proper epic, old-fashioned film at times, and that's about all the positive you can say about it, I should hurriedly add.

    Also, Phantom Menace had the benefit of containing none of the hamfisted, awful romantic plot & dialogue that pushed Episodes two and three into the realms of true, inescapable ineptitude.

    "You are so beautiful!"
    "It's only because I'm so in love..."
    "No, it's because I'm so in love with you."

    :pac:

    Episode 1 is the most "Star Wars-y" looking of the prequels, especially the stuff on Tatooine, least it's a real location. That's what I always loved about the SW universe, the battered, grubby look to everything instead of a hyper clean sci-fi setting like Star Trek or 2001 or something. The universe looks lived in instead of a movie set. Which they then undid with the prequels a lot of the time.


  • #820
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Goodshape wrote: »
    Machete Order for the win.

    My favourite order is 4-5-Stop


  • #821
    thegreengoblin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    krudler wrote: »
    Episode 1 is the most "Star Wars-y" looking of the prequels, especially the stuff on Tatooine, least it's a real location. That's what I always loved about the SW universe, the battered, grubby look to everything instead of a hyper clean sci-fi setting like Star Trek or 2001 or something. The universe looks lived in instead of a movie set. Which they then undid with the prequels a lot of the time.

    Totally agree. I can't stress how much I adored the lived-in feel to the original trilogy. It gave the films a real air of authencity. One of my favourite moments is in Empire when Han gives the Falcon a whack on the bulkhead with his fist as he tries to get her started. Just brilliant!


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  • #822
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    thegreengoblin wrote: »
    Totally agree. I can't stress how much I adored the lived-in feel to the original trilogy. It gave the films a real air of authencity. One of my favourite moments is in Empire when Han gives the Falcon a whack on the bulkhead with his fist as he tries to get her started. Just brilliant!

    Indeed, the Falcon is basically a flying sh1tbox but a reliable one ha


  • #823
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Are you an angel?


  • #824
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    krudler wrote: »
    Episode 1 is the most "Star Wars-y" looking of the prequels, especially the stuff on Tatooine, least it's a real location. That's what I always loved about the SW universe, the battered, grubby look to everything instead of a hyper clean sci-fi setting like Star Trek or 2001 or something. The universe looks lived in instead of a movie set. Which they then undid with the prequels a lot of the time.

    To be fair to Episode 1 - not a sentence I find myself easily saying - the parts of it that had a 'clean' aesthetic made some sense, given a lot of its setting was around the palaces of a (absolute?) monarchy on an intentionally idyllic planet. The art-deco influences on the Naboo ships made for some great eye-candy and I still think the Queen's silver ship is a fantastic looking design.

    Otherwise yeah I agree with what you're saying; the grubby reality plays into the idea of the original trilogy being a set of Frontier tales, in essence; it's the Wild West in space; the outback, the furthest / wildest reaches of civilization and that's a key part of what made the older movies so timeless and universal. It's a similar trick to the one Firefly later played, even if it ladled on the Western motifs so thick as to choke the show at times.


  • #825
    Adamantium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Are you an angel?

    "It's so dense. every single image has so many things going on"

    "That's great"
    "It's gonna be great"
    "It's gonna be great"
    "That's great"

    His inner circle looked shocked. Burtt (sound design, editor, effects, who came up with the lightsaber whoosh) who's been there since the start in 1977, looks like he's about to go off (none of him thought to second guess the script)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KseqzmcqQBQ


    Confirmation Bias

    as opposed to this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R66FvPTj2Yw


    Kershner sounds like Kermit!


  • #826
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    pixelburp wrote: »
    To be fair to Episode 1 - not a sentence I find myself easily saying - the parts of it that had a 'clean' aesthetic made some sense, given a lot of its setting was around the palaces of a (absolute?) monarchy on an intentionally idyllic planet. The art-deco influences on the Naboo ships made for some great eye-candy and I still think the Queen's silver ship is a fantastic looking design.

    Otherwise yeah I agree with what you're saying; the grubby reality plays into the idea of the original trilogy being a set of Frontier tales, in essence; it's the Wild West in space; the outback, the furthest / wildest reaches of civilization and that's a key part of what made the older movies so timeless and universal. It's a similar trick to the one Firefly later played, even if it ladled on the Western motifs so thick as to choke the show at times.

    Oh yeah the palace and all that didnt need to look grubby, it was basically the Star Wars equivalent of Versailles or someplace opulent, and again at least those scenes were mostly shot in real locations or on actual sets. It's the hyper clean digital look to everything in the other two I hated, the CGI has aged really badly in a lot of places too. It's no wonder the actors, and to be fair the prequels actually do have decent casts for the most part, all looked so stiff and wooden, they were probably mortified chucking out awful dialogue and trying to pretend a tennis ball on a stick was a big alien.


  • #827
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    It'll be weird seeing the Bad Robot logo instead of the Lucasfilm one (although that'll probably on it too he's bound to get some kind of credit) at the beginning.


  • #828
    Radiosonde
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Radiosonde


    krudler wrote: »
    It'll be weird seeing the Bad Robot logo instead of the Lucasfilm one (although that'll probably on it too he's bound to get some kind of credit) at the beginning.

    I wonder if the Bad Robot one wont get in at the start. The nostalgia dollar is a big part of this so they'll want it to feel authentic, and little touchs like that matter. (Lucasfilm will definitely be there because Disney owns it and it's still a going concern, its one of the production companies). It won't surprise me if the whole opening sequence is some homage to the start of the original Star Wars.


  • #829
    Goodshape
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    My favourite order is 4-5-Stop

    That's also a good option, for sure.


  • #830
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    pixelburp wrote: »
    even if it ladled on the Western motifs so thick as to choke the show at times.

    You take that back!!!


  • #831
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    norrie rugger wrote: »
    You take that back!!!

    :P Hey, I loved Firefly's characters, I just never fell for its setting; it seemed like the show just lazily raided the Western section of the studio wardrobe and all those bonnets and the plantation clothing jarred - felt more like Westworld than a living universe. Happily the movie toned it down, but some of the episodes could be excruciating.


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  • #832
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    tumblr_me0s4pOgwC1rrc78e.gif


  • #833
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    My pals brother in law is working on the sets and models in the UK. it's almost all done model wise and sets still being worked on.

    Won't tell me if the Falcon is in it. It HAS to be


  • #834
    thegreengoblin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    david75 wrote: »
    My pals brother in law is working on the sets and models in the UK. it's almost all done model wise and sets still being worked on.

    Won't tell me if the Falcon is in it. It HAS to be

    It will be.

    It will be....

    http://io9.com/first-concept-art-of-the-millennium-falcon-in-star-wars-1523014405


  • #835
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Peter Mayhew will play Chewbacca again.

    Source


  • #836
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,564 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    How? The poor man can hardly walk now.


  • #837
    roboshatner
    Registered Users Posts: 775 ✭✭✭roboshatner


    I honestly do not know what that star wars thing was all about so many people showed up and nothing ?

    I am talking about the world wide casting.

    I know its free advestising for the next few films...but also it is not because

    1000s showed up wasting 12 13 hours lets say to get told to no sorry....

    Do studios really thing that 1000s of people want to wait there for 13 hours standing and told no....

    Do they honestly think that we are that fanatical that we will even bother to go see the next few movies after the last three ?

    Please give us your opinions

    I think its interesting...having the whole world audtion and telling everyone that waited.....No


  • #838
    Adamantium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    Well you've certainly lived up. toyour. name .robo.shatner.


  • #839
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Read a report(on empire?) that they're already filming


  • #840
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Haven't they been filming somewhere in Ireland for the last week?


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  • #841
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    There's a 56 page thread here that says people are still fanatical about Star Wars.

    Coincidentally, this thread should be in there too.


  • #842
    stevenmu
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    roboshatner wrote: »
    1000s showed up wasting 12 13 hours lets say to get told to no sorry....
    Do studios really thing that 1000s of people want to wait there for 13 hours standing and told no....

    I think you answered your own question there. Thousands of people did turn and wait hours, most of them knowing that they would not get a part.

    And when the films are released, millions of people will go along to watch them, even if we do spend the next 10 years bitching about them


  • #843
    Radiosonde
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Radiosonde


    roboshatner wrote: »
    I honestly do not know what that star wars thing was all about so many people showed up and nothing ?

    I am talking about the world wide casting.

    I know its free advestising for the next few films...but also it is not because

    1000s showed up wasting 12 13 hours lets say to get told to no sorry....

    Do studios really thing that 1000s of people want to wait there for 13 hours standing and told no....

    Do they honestly think that we are that fanatical that we will even bother to go see the next few movies after the last three ?

    Please give us your opinions

    I think its interesting...having the whole world audtion and telling everyone that waited.....No

    Maybe they realised that casting parts in what's sure to be one of the biggest films of all time via Britain's Got Talent With Lightsabers wasn't such a good idea. Maybe they realised they could just go with established professional actors with film and TV experience. Maybe they realised that the millions of Star Wars fans around the world who didn't queue up for hours for a part they were never going to get won't give a s*** that a bunch of teenagers who wanted to be Pudsey With Force Powers are bitter at missing out.


  • #844
    Adamantium
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    humanji wrote: »
    Haven't they been filming somewhere in Ireland for the last week?

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    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    That was an April fools joke some site ran.
    They're not filming in Ireland.


  • #846
    Adamantium
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    Based on early statements from Lucasfilm, this set of films would have taken place from approximately 40 years after the events depicted in Return of the Jedi. The series would have been Episodes VII, VIII, and IX.

    The sequel trilogy was to feature Luke Skywalker as a Jedi Master in his sixties, passing on the torch to the next generation of Jedi, the dismantlement of the last remnants of the Galactic Empire and the rebuilding of the Galactic Republic. It would also have concerned the re-establishment of the Jedi Order, as foreshadowed by Yoda's line in Return of the Jedi, "Pass on what you have learned." According to a 1983 Time magazine article, its main theme would have been "the necessity for moral choices and the wisdom needed to distinguish right from wrong".

    In 1983, Lucas was reported to have only a vague notion of what will happen in the three films of a sequel trilogy. He is quoted as saying "If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, Star Wars is more about personal growth and self realization, and the third deals with moral and philosophical problems. The sequel is about Jedi Knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned."

    In the sequel Luke would be a sixty-year-old Jedi knight. Han Solo and Leia would be together…The sequel focuses mainly on Luke, and Lucas says Mark Hamill will have first crack at the part if he is old enough.

    Looks pretty much in line with what we'll get.

    The bolded parts almost feel like old school Star Trek in a sense, more philosphical. I hope we hear more about the Grey Side of the Force, which I always thought was what Luke ended on as wise, mature man at the end of the Return of the Jedi. A mixture of both. Like a samurai in civilian clothing. The robes were Tatoinne dress, not supposed to be for the whole Jedi Order.

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    Both Light and Dark side were too extreme on either end, really hope they stay away from BAD BAD man vs GOOD GOOD man dogmatic ****e that plagued the prequels. Didn't he Luke use force choke on some guards in ROTJ?

    The OT had some wonderfully subtle elements throughout.


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  • #847
    thegreengoblin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    No surprise to hear that the Expanded Universe has essentially been ditched. I just hope we get some concrete news about the films very soon.

    I have mixed feelings on the issue. On the one hand, I've invested a lot of time and money in the EU over the last 20 years or so. However, the fact we're getting new films makes it all worthwhile for me.

    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=117530


  • #848
    Adamantium
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    thegreengoblin wrote: »
    No surprise to hear that the Expanded Universe has essentially been ditched. I just hope we get some concrete news about the films very soon.

    I have mixed feelings on the issue. On the one hand, I've invested a lot of time and money in the EU over the last 20 years or so. However, the fact we're getting new films makes it all worthwhile for me.

    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=117530

    I never read it only the wiki, but the whole Yuzang-Vong is exactly something approaching the kind of threat I'd be hoping for In Ep VII-IX.

    Maybe something a David Fincher, Joseph Kosiniki or Nolan would have done could do.

    Although with Abrams at the register, I'd imagine it's going to be nothing but call backs and nostalgia. Disney knows lightsabers print money
    He also sets up the tone,art direction for the forseeable future of the franchise, so there's a lot riding on this guy.

    Anyway the EU still exists
    as opposed to this:

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    and pray not for this:

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  • #849
    roboshatner
    Registered Users Posts: 775 ✭✭✭roboshatner


    I would say they are purposely going to make a terrible 7th star wars film with j j allbran

    And they they will make a epic sequel the 8th film that will of course forgive all the mistakes of the 7 film.

    But then again I could be wrong....cause star trek 1 remake was amazing I have to say....and the sequel was a pile of crap.

    I do honeslty then he is not perfect for the job at all....

    I do think after I seeing safety not guaranteed

    that colin trevorrow he is a perfect director for one of the up coming star wars films....


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    roboshatner wrote: »
    I would say they are purposely going to make a terrible 7th star wars film with j j allbran

    And they they will make a epic sequel the 8th film that will of course forgive all the mistakes of the 7 film.

    But then again I could be wrong....cause star trek 1 remake was amazing I have to say....and the sequel was a pile of crap.

    I do honeslty then he is not perfect for the job at all....

    I do think after I seeing safety not guaranteed

    that colin trevorrow he is a perfect director for one of the up coming star wars films....

    I don't think that they re going to deliberately set out to make a bad film, honestly that may be the stupidest thing that I have ever read on here. Why would they spend billions obtaining the rights and another half a billion making this film and then go out of their way to make a bad film. It would kind of defeat the purpose of doing all that.


  • #851
    roboshatner
    Registered Users Posts: 775 ✭✭✭roboshatner


    Because there honeslty is a lot of films out there that the first film are terrible....and then miracly the sequels are epic and all is forgiven...example captain america......


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