Ireland vs Barbarians Gloucester, 29 May NO TV, NO STREAMS.

Foxtrol · 30-05-2012 11:57am

JustinDee wrote: »

I'm a competitive soul. Always have been. My own experience in both codes of rugby shapes my view (seen as optimism here). Nothing else. I just don't share everything here on the internet.
Remember, as I said before, every opinion I post here is mine. No-one else's.

It’s an opinion that has clearly been coloured by the groupthink that is obviously rife within the IRFU organisation. At times you can actually be an example for the posters who claim “the blazers” are out of touch with the general Irish supporter, who buy the tickets to pay their salary.

JustinDee · 30-05-2012 12:02pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

It’s an opinion that has clearly been coloured by the groupthink that is obviously rife within the IRFU organisation

Utterly unqualified and way off the mark. Actually pretty silly to say given the massive and diverse array of folk you're lumping into one.

Foxtrol wrote: »

At times you can actually be an example for the posters who claim “the blazers” are out of touch with the general Irish supporter, who buy the tickets to pay their salary.

Subjective and obviously posted by someone who doesn't know me.

Argue over this if you want. I'm not going to waste a second more on this bilge.
That's the polite sound off anyway.

totallegend · 30-05-2012 12:05pm

JustinDee wrote: »

I'm a competitive soul. Always have been. My own experience in both codes of rugby shapes my view (seen as optimism here). Nothing else. I just don't share everything here on the internet.
Remember, as I said before, every opinion I post here is mine. No-one else's.

That's a fair point. But what I think you don't understand about the mentality of most of us on here is that we're all competitive souls; we want our national team to be competitive, to challenge for titles on a regular basis and we believe we have the players to do it. What riles us up is seeing that opportunity to compete being squandered by what we regard as poor coaching, tactics and team selection.

leftleg · 30-05-2012 12:07pm

JustinDee wrote: »

I'm a competitive soul. Always have been. My own experience in both codes of rugby shapes my view (seen as optimism here). Nothing else. I just don't share everything here on the internet.
Remember, as I said before, every opinion I post here is mine. No-one else's.

Again Justin I wasn't having a go at you, in fact i was defending where I felt your opinion, which is absolutely your own opinion, might be coming from. Just putting that out there btw.

Foxtrol · 30-05-2012 12:15pm

JustinDee wrote: »

Utterly unqualified and way off the mark. Actually pretty silly to say given the massive and diverse array of folk you're lumping into one.

Subjective and obviously posted by someone who doesn't know me.

Argue over this if you want. I'm not going to waste a second more on this bilge.
That's the polite sound off anyway.

Bilge? If it is fair to question a fan of a province for their bias I can’t see any issue in questioning the bias of someone who consistently defends the company he works for and his colleagues, despite them many times being in the wrong. In your posts I have seen in the last 24 hours you have defended the Barbarians match being played in Gloucester, the lack of TV coverage, the size of the Irish squad, the fact that Gilroy didn’t make the squad, Marshall getting only 3 minutes and that’s without even looking at your post history. From that small sample I don’t think it is unfair to question whether you are affected by groupthink.

Teferi · 30-05-2012 12:20pm

JustinDee wrote: »

My own experience in both codes of rugby shapes my view (seen as optimism here).

I apologise for accusing you of optimism Justin, I won't do it again.

Your views shaped by both codes is wrong and has been for 3+ seasons now. The wait and see approach has failed. Kidney has failed. His selection policies have failed.

Tox56 · 30-05-2012 12:21pm

I dont mind having someone here who provides an alternative view, it wouldn't really be interesting if everyone agreed on everything, and having someone to balance things up stops things going a bit over the top on certain issues.

Scioch · 30-05-2012 12:24pm

You should get drunk before ya post Justin, your way too measured and conservative in your points for some random fan on the internet.

We need passion man !! unbridled rage !! "God damn it I made the IRFU !!" type stuff.

.ak · 30-05-2012 12:58pm

Anyone hear about rumors that Dr. Phil and ROG got in a punch up?

CatFromHue · 30-05-2012 1:14pm

While it would have been nice to get the win I'm not too disappointed as that was a strong BaaBaa team. This was more of an A game for Ireland than anything so results wouldn't always be the main thing here.

Of course not having seen it it can be hard to gauge but we now have Cave, Zebo, Gilroy, Tuohy, POM, Henry, Sherry, Wilkinson, and Fitzpatrick all getting game time in an Irish jersey and showing what they can do. As well as ROG and Murray getting in some extra match fitness.

I would have liked Marshall to have gotten alot longer than 3 mins as it does like he is very much the third choice scrum half and won't be playing again until October unless injuries force it.

irishbucsfan · 30-05-2012 1:16pm

.ak wrote: »

Anyone hear about rumors that Dr. Phil and ROG got in a punch up?

I think everyone would love to see that. Great rivalry.

Banbridgeman · 30-05-2012 1:18pm

.ak wrote: »

Anyone hear about rumors that Dr. Phil and ROG got in a punch up?

Aye I heard rog got the stuffing knocked out of him after a few awry comments to contepomi after the game.

.ak · 30-05-2012 1:21pm

Friend of mine does some work for the IRFU and he mentioned it to me in passing, apparently Filipe got some serious slaps on ROG. Surprised it wasn't picked up on.

Was it after the match in the tunnel or something?

bilston · 30-05-2012 1:34pm

We have video evidence that the game actually happened, albeit it's a shaky camera effort from a supporter and it's Mike Tindall scoring a try as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG5qrAyjLV4

CatFromHue · 30-05-2012 1:37pm

bilston wrote: »

We have video evidence that the game actually happened, albeit it's a shaky camera effort from a supporter and it's Mike Tindall scoring a try as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG5qrAyjLV4

That won't do much for Earl's defence case!

budhabob · 30-05-2012 1:42pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

That won't do much for Earl's defence case!

I thought earls was playing 15? Could be wrong though. That shows 13s tackle no?

.ak · 30-05-2012 1:42pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

That won't do much for Earl's defence case!

Actually Cave was pretty poor there too, which is unusual for him. But more the point, Earl's positioning was awkward and behind the gainline...

.ak · 30-05-2012 1:43pm

budhabob wrote: »

I thought earls was playing 15? Could be wrong though. That shows 13s tackle no?

They both tackle him. Earls and Cave. Earls looks to be the first tackler, Cave tries to hold him up. Poor technique from both players tbh.

Tox56 · 30-05-2012 1:46pm

I think it's almost identical to that O'Malley non-tackle on Donald against Bath. It looks like terrible defence, and it was a mistake, but the first person going low (in this case Earls, v Bath I think it was Jennings) is expected to make the tackle and Cave goes high to try hold up the ball. O'Malley did the same thing, but v Bath Jennings pulled out and it looks even worse, this time Earls did actually make the tackle but it wasn't a great one.

It's a tough one really and probably splitting hairs, poor defence by both I would say, which is unusual and both have been excellent this season.

30-05-2012 1:47pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

That won't do much for Earl's defence case!

It was Cave, Tindall set him well and just rolled over him. Managed to catch him trying to make up his mind between tackling the man - tackling the ball - preventing the pass.

Jesus, didn't even see Earls after 5 times of watching that!

Scioch · 30-05-2012 1:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It was Cave, Tindall set him well and just rolled over him. Managed to catch him trying to make up his mind between tackling the man - tackling the ball - preventing the pass.

Jesus, didn't even see Earls after 5 times of watching that!

Earls was first tackler, or first attempted tackler anyway.

CatFromHue · 30-05-2012 1:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It was Cave, Tindall set him well and just rolled over him. Managed to catch him trying to make up his mind between tackling the man - tackling the ball - preventing the pass.

Jesus, didn't even see Earls after 5 times of watching that!

The back line was Wallace, Earls, and Cave with Earls making the first tackle/contact on Tindall. Cave didn't do himself any favours there either though.

Scioch · 30-05-2012 1:58pm

In Caves defence there he was on Tindells outside shoulder to cut off the offload (I think). Earls shot out straight and failed to bring Tindell down.

Then again Gilroy was outside him facing nobody so maybe Cave didnt need to drift so much.

bilston · 30-05-2012 2:01pm

I think Earls and Cave may hope more footage from yesterdays game appears quickly otherwise we'll have nothing else to talk about about that try until the team for the 1st test is announced next week!

leftleg · 30-05-2012 2:20pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0530/1224316915928.html

Kidney remains upbeat despite disjointed performance

" the scrum travails were worrying in the light of the hamstring injury Mike Ross is currently nursing.

Declan Fitzpatrick appeared in less discomfort in this area but in mitigation Irish loosehead Brett Wilkinson was up against the formidable John Afoa; Wilkinson was in trouble. In the first scrum, Ireland were shunted backwards, in the second penalised, the third conceded a free kick.

Fitzpatrick was replaced by Connacht’s Ronan Loughney on 56 minutes but what was arguably more instructive was the Ulster player’s return on 67 minutes. Loughney moved to loosehead and Ireland forced a penalty. Wilkinson did contribute admirably around the pitch, demonstrating his fitness but scrum time would be a concern."

"The main cause was the lack of speed to the tackled player and a deficiency in numbers. Henry limped off forcing Andrew Trimble to come on and play in the backrow, while number eight O’Mahony was also replaced, having soldiered for most of the game with a shoulder/neck problem."

"On a night when Irish players struggled to rise above the mediocre, Craig Gilroy’s produced a stunning performance not just in scoring a brace of tries but in his role as creator. "

How can he be upbeat about any of this; Fitzpatrick + Loughney combo and Gilroy aside the rest of it sounds like a friggin mess.

thomond2006 · 30-05-2012 2:42pm

Henry limped off and POM played with a shoulder/neck problem?

WeeBushy · 30-05-2012 4:20pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Henry limped off and POM played with a shoulder/neck problem?

Kidney doesn't seem overly concerned about their injuries, I reckon they were precautionary subs in what was a rather meaningless match in terms of the result.

Blackheath · 30-05-2012 8:50pm

I was at the game last night and I thought that Murray also had a good game.

30-05-2012 8:53pm

Blackheath wrote: »

I was at the game last night and I thought that Murray also had a good game.

any more for us to feed on? We neeeeed more analysis.

Blackheath · 30-05-2012 10:18pm

Keith Earls, a steady game, took his try well but got caught once in defence organised the two wings in defence
Craig Gilroy, MOTM, involved in everything positive always looked a dangerous when he got the ball. This man has to travel to New Zealand
Darren Cave A bit disappointed with him was at fault for 1 try, looked good going forward at times.
Paddy Wallace A steady game was good in defence
Simon Zebo Took his try well but average other than that, played 2nd fiddle to his opposite wing
Ronan O'Gara Good game, kicking was very good and settled us down when it was needed.
Conor Murray Had a good game looked very strong and alway probing made a few breaks
Brett Wilkinson Under pressure from the start in the scrum actually looked a little unfit.The scrum settled in the 2nd half, especiallly when he departed
Mike Sherry His throw looked good, the scrum was under pressure but he was mobile in the loose.
Declan Fitzpatrick, tough start for him but settled and finished well but Loughney looked a better bet
Dan Tuohy He looked phyically strong and fast. Done well in the line out, better than his replacement.
Donnacha Ryan Had a steady game, looked strong, still POC natural partner
John Muldoon Looked a little slow to the ball and was alway under pressure.
Chris Henry Not Henry best game looked a little slow and unfit. He did start ok but faded as the 1st hald went on.
Peter O'Mahony Played well, carried the ball well. Ireland lost a lot of forward power when he went off.

matthew8 · 30-05-2012 10:41pm

How did Contepomi play? Was his winning kick tough?

Fireball07 · 30-05-2012 11:17pm

It sounded like ROG had an okay game, I think maybe I've been a little harsh on him recently. It was reactionary to the Ospreys game (where he was absolutely shambolic), but I've a feeling he wasn't fit... He hasn't actually turned into a terrible player overnight. He's on the decline but taking him to NZ was the right choice. But Madigan should have gone aswell.

As for Murray...he's great when his head is right. It's silly mistakes that are stopping him from progressing, but they are costing the teams he plays for. When he keeps his eye on the ball and just relaxes, plays his natural game, then he's definitely the best scrum-half in the country. I'm hoping Penney can have a good influence on him.

Good to hear that Tuohy had a good game, nice to see him perform. And Loughney aswell, very useful player to have around.

Blackheath · 31-05-2012 6:53am

Contepomi played well but missed 1 kick. His winning kick looked easy in fairness

Sindri · 31-05-2012 8:37pm

They'll be talking about this game in about 5 minutes on Rugby Club. Said there'd be action from the game, whatever that means.

31-05-2012 8:48pm

wtf!? Good camera work there for the 18seconds of highlights we got to see.

Gilroy's setup for Earls' try was majestic.

There HAS to be a proper highlight reel available somewhere.

trackguy · 31-05-2012 8:48pm

Great work from Gilroy for the Earls try!

Tox56 · 31-05-2012 8:49pm

Just another angle of the Tindall try and a good break from Gilroy for Earls' try

Scioch · 31-05-2012 8:49pm

Gilroys work for Earls try was fantastic. Pisses me off even more he isnt going on tour.

The game was clearly recorded by sky so full highlights are surely available somewhere right ?

31-05-2012 8:53pm

LordSmeg wrote: »

The game was clearly recorded by sky so full highlights are surely available somewhere right ?

Perhaps for the start of the DVD of "The Legendary tour to New Zealand when we managed to sneak a draw vs the AB's"?

Scioch · 31-05-2012 9:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps for the start of the DVD of "The Legendary tour to New Zealand when we managed to sneak a draw vs the AB's"?

Sounds like a great bonus DVD to accompany the Legendary Tour - The hard fought near win against Mick O'Driscolls barbarian horde of 2012.

mfceiling · 31-05-2012 9:27pm

This is something I can't understand.

Would this game not have been televised in the event of dangerous play which would require citing?

Just say someone was gouged or bitten then surely tv replays would have to be obtained.......therefore......

Podge_irl · 31-05-2012 9:37pm

mfceiling wrote: »

This is something I can't understand.

Would this game not have been televised in the event of dangerous play which would require citing?

Just say someone was gouged or bitten then surely tv replays would have to be obtained.......therefore......

Citings aplenty happen in games with no cameras.

Scioch · 31-05-2012 9:40pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

Citings aplenty happen in games with no cameras.

What about a video ref ? Surely a game has to have a video ref who would need something to refer to when needed ?

Or would that only apply to competitive games ?

mfceiling · 31-05-2012 9:47pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

Citings aplenty happen in games with no cameras.

But what happens if there are no cameras?

Is it the players word against another's or what if a player or official can't point out the accused?

GerM · 31-05-2012 9:50pm

mfceiling wrote: »

But what happens if there are no cameras?

Is it the players word against another's or what if a player or official can't point out the accused?

A hearing, an officials report etc. Players are banned playing J4 if caught. If there are no cameras, it's just far more likely they'll get away with it. If you go to an AIL game, you'll see stuff regularly that would have people calling for a citing in the HEC.

Podge_irl · 31-05-2012 9:51pm

mfceiling wrote: »

But what happens if there are no cameras?

Is it the players word against another's or what if a player or official can't point out the accused?

Ref and player testimony - just like what happens at club games or other lower lever games. There was a player banned in the HEC years back based on no camera or photographic evidence (Tincu I think). Fairly hefty ban too for a gauge.

If they can't point out the accused they get away with it.

What about a video ref ? Surely a game has to have a video ref who would need something to refer to when needed ?

Not all games have video refs. I've been at a few ML games where the ref tried to go upstairs only to be told there were no cameras!

molloyjh · 01-06-2012 1:06am

Highlights of the BaaBaas game on Sky Sports 3 now....for anyone who's still up....

flyswatter · 01-06-2012 1:08am

Scioch · 01-06-2012 1:12am

molloyjh wrote: »

Highlights of the BaaBaas game on Sky Sports 3 now....for anyone who's still up....

Same thing as was on earlier. Just shows a nice break by Gilroy leading to Earls try and Tindell try. I think.

molloyjh · 01-06-2012 1:12am

molloyjh wrote: »

Highlights of the BaaBaas game on Sky Sports 3 now....for anyone who's still up....

When I say now I obviously don't mean now...they said it's be on after the break. Still waiting....

Ireland vs Barbarians Gloucester, 29 May NO TV, NO STREAMS.

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