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How long until we are charged to post on here?

  • 22-04-2014 4:01pm
    #1
    iForgetMyPW
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭


    How long before Distilled Media charge us to make accounts?

    With adverts now charging for successful sales today Adverts will apply a €3 fee to items sold that are over €30. This fee will be taken from your adverts.ie credit or the mobile number that you registered with. Is the ad money not enoght? I don't see any other sites doing this

    "Hi everyone,

    My name is Odhran Ginnity, I am CEO at Adverts.ie. I would like to update you with news on our exciting growth and some changes to our advertising fees.

    Adverts.ie is now Ireland's biggest classifieds website, with over 670,000 items available for sale today. In the past 3 months alone our members sold €56 Million worth of new and pre-owned items across the country.

    To support the growing volume of transactions, we have been working hard to build a product where people can buy and sell items in the fastest time possible, from people they can trust. We put a huge emphasis on ensuring that this is always at the forefront of our product road map, and over the coming years we will continue to invest in developing our product and service, especially across our mobile platforms.

    You will notice that our Pricing structure for new ads has changed from April 22nd 2014. We still offer that great free to list service, and now if you sell an item where the asking price is greater than €30, a small success fee will apply.

    It is important to highlight that if there is no sale - there is no fee - and all items that you have currently live on the site with us will not be affected.

    If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us at feedback@adverts.ie or check out our Help pages.

    Best wishes
    Odhran"
    Post edited by Shield on


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Comments

  • #2
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    It just gives the opportunity to other people to set up new free to use adverts sites.

    It is a disgusting move by Adverts.ie and gives a two fingers to existing users, hopefully people vote with their feet.


  • #3
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    If, like Adverts, I'm only charged for posts of high value, I'll probably end up in minus figures so boards will actually have to pay me to post in AH.


  • #4
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Seem to be doing their utmost to close the site.


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Moved from After Hours. Feedback charter now applies.


  • #6
    iForgetMyPW
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭iForgetMyPW


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Moved from After Hours. Feedback charter now applies.

    What? why no one reads this section


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  • #7
    iForgetMyPW
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭iForgetMyPW


    muckwarrior wrote: »
    Oooh, so exciting! I can barely contain myself :rolleyes:

    So let me get this straight they are reviving more traffic so there ad revenue should be up so why do they need more revenue? Greed ruins everything.


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    iForgetMyPW wrote: »
    What? why no one reads this section

    From the AH charter:
    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    Posting on After Hours to reach a larger audience is not allowed.


  • #9
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    €3 on €30 is ten percent of the asking price!
    Not in the least bit cheeky.


  • #10
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    From the AH charter:

    Looked like a valid AH topic to me.
    Concerns a lot of people and I'm sure they would like to be informed and make comments.


  • #11
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kneemos wrote: »
    Looked like a valid AH topic to me.
    Concerns a lot of people and I'm sure they would like to be informed and make comments.

    It's a question about the site in its entirety, so here it is, in sitewide feedback where it's much more likely to be seen by the people who can answer it.


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  • #12
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    kneemos wrote: »
    Looked like a valid AH topic to me.
    Concerns a lot of people and I'm sure they would like to be informed and make comments.

    Most threads with negative remarks towards Distilled Media seem to end up in feedback even when it's not feedback.


  • #13
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,236 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    kneemos wrote: »
    €3 on €30 is ten percent of the asking price!
    Not in the least bit cheeky.

    It's not €3 on €30.

    €0-29 = Free
    €30-49 = €1
    €50-99 = €2
    €100+ = €3

    So the biggest percentage (I think) is €2 on €50 which is 4%

    Source: http://www.adverts.ie/successfees


  • #14
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,236 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Most threads with negative remarks towards Distilled Media seem to end up in feedback even when it's not feedback.

    It's also not an AH topic though. The thread title is asking "How long until we are charged to post on here?" and the OP is asking if people will be charged to make accounts on Boards. That's quite clearly a Feedback thread, or possibly even Help Desk.


  • #15
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Penn wrote: »
    It's also not an AH topic though. The thread title is asking "How long until we are charged to post on here?" and the OP is asking if people will be charged to make accounts on Boards. That's quite clearly a Feedback thread, or possibly even Help Desk.


    That was obviously rhetorical.The main purpose of the OP was to question Adverts price increase.


  • #16
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Penn wrote: »
    It's also not an AH topic though. The thread title is asking "How long until we are charged to post on here?" and the OP is asking if people will be charged to make accounts on Boards. That's quite clearly a Feedback thread, or possibly even Help Desk.

    Ahhhhhh technicalities :rolleyes:


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh how odd it is that a thread giving feedback is moved to the Feedback forum. :pac:

    Seriously, some people like to see conspiracies where there are none. As for Adverts charging a relatively small fee (€3 out of €100 really isn't bad!), then why not?


  • #18
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,236 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    kneemos wrote: »
    That was obviously rhetorical.The main purpose of the OP was to question Adverts price increase.

    Question who, though? Question the people of After Hours? It wasn't their decision. A thread there will just be people complaining about the extra charge.

    There's a thread in the Talk To Adverts.ie forum where people can discuss this with the Adverts Staff. That's the most appropriate place for that discussion. Or if the question is about Distilled Media or Boards and any effect Adverts' new policy will have on Boards, here is the most appropriate place. It's not "technicalities", it's the fact that, as Whoops stated, one of the AH Forum rules is not to post in AH to reach a larger audience.


  • #19
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Penn wrote: »
    Question who, though? Question the people of After Hours? It wasn't their decision. A thread there will just be people complaining about the extra charge.

    There's a thread in the Talk To Adverts.ie forum where people can discuss this with the Adverts Staff. That's the most appropriate place for that discussion. Or if the question is about Distilled Media or Boards and any effect Adverts' new policy will have on Boards, here is the most appropriate place. It's not "technicalities", it's the fact that, as Whoops stated, one of the AH Forum rules is not to post in AH to reach a larger audience.

    Question the pro's and con's and let people have their say about a general news item.
    The OP is clearly about Adverts price increase so why is it in Boards feedback?


  • #20
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Is the question regarding boards.ie accounts or adverts.ie accounts?


  • #21
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kneemos wrote: »
    The OP is clearly about Adverts price increase so why is it in Boards feedback?

    Oh there's a thread in the Adverts talk to forum discussing the issue if you prefer :)

    So. There is a thread here in feedback about the potential for boards charging to use the site, and there is a thread in the adverts talk to forum for people to discuss the new fee.

    This isn't an AH thread, and this thread isn't about whether or not it should be an AH thread.


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  • #22
    Lovely Bloke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    This is amazingly short sighted.

    Bare faced fleecing of loyal customers though.

    I have to ask though, Odhran, in what way is it exciting - are you getting a raise or something. Fair play if you are, if you can come up with this plan, implement it and call it "exciting", then you probably deserve the raise. Well done.

    Who else is it exciting for? Certainly not the people who are losing money on it, and that's for sure.


  • #23
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Oh there's a thread in the Adverts talk to forum discussing the issue if you prefer :)

    So. There is a thread here in feedback about the potential for boards charging to use the site, and there is a thread in the adverts talk to forum for people to discuss the new fee.

    This isn't an AH thread, and this thread isn't about whether or not it should be an AH thread.

    Thought we were discussing if it was censorship or not to move the OP to feedback.


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    kneemos wrote: »
    Thought we were discussing if it was censorship or not to move the OP to feedback.

    How is it censorship to move a thread giving feedback to the feedback forum.

    If the thread was deleted and there was nothing discussed, then you could claim it was censorship, but given that there is a topic here and in Adverts' own Talk To: forum, then can you really claim it is censorship?


  • #25
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I dunno about everyone else but feedback is one of the best forums to follow. Been doing so since 2007. Calling a thread here censorship is an utter joke, feedback is where boards gets it's chronology


  • #26
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭gallag


    Overheal wrote: »
    I dunno about everyone else but feedback is one of the best forums to follow. Been doing so since 2007. Calling a thread here censorship is an utter joke, feedback is where boards gets it's chronology

    Why were my posts deleted? Censorship? Basically I made my point that I believed the moving of this thread was a form of censorship, then got mocked by a mod because I have been permanently banned from AH to which I challenged to mod to show why I had been banned as it was again due to censorship (politely asked why a thread was closed!) Is this not censorship? Will this post just be deleted?


  • #27
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    gallag wrote: »
    Why were my posts deleted? Censorship? Basically I made my point that I believed the moving of this thread was a form of censorship, then got mocked by a mod because I have been permanently banned from AH to which I challenged to mod to show why I had been banned as it was again due to censorship (politely asked why a thread was closed!) Is this not censorship? Will this post just be deleted?
    It was off topic, contact the mod, don't drag this thread off topic please, thanks.


  • #28
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭gallag


    Gordon wrote: »
    It was off topic, contact the mod, don't drag this thread off topic please, thanks.

    Sorry Gordon, what was of topic? My first deleted post giving my opinion like others have that moving this was censorship? If so why was only my post (which I think we can agree was on topic) deleted? Or was it only after the mod brought my AH ban up that it attracted your ire?


  • #29
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    gallag wrote: »
    Sorry Gordon, what was of topic? My first deleted post giving my opinion like others have that moving this was censorship? If so why was only my post (which I think we can agree was on topic) deleted? Or was it only after the mod brought my AH ban up that it attracted your ire?
    This thread is not regarding your ban, if you wish to discuss your ban, take it up in drp forum. If you post against the topic of this thread again I will remove your access from this forum.


  • #30
    Dav
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,840 ✭✭✭Dav


    Re: Adverts new fees:
    It's worth pointing out that there is a feedback thread on the Talk To Adverts.ie Forum.

    There is also another thread discussing alternatives if you no longer wish to use the site here in the Online Buying forum. I would really ask that people read this post I made as it might be worth taking on board before all the claims about just how much money Adverts is making - but that's besides the point.

    So if you want to discuss the introduction of these fees on Adverts, those are the 2 places you can do it.

    Job done, moving in...

    Some important points. Adverts.ie and Boards.ie are 2 separate businesses. Yes, we're all in the Distilled Group, but our 2 websites and businesses are completely different. When Boards makes big changes, we discuss it with you here in the Feedback forum. I'd like to think that we have a rather good track record in that regard and I'd ask you to think about how many websites and platforms that you use daily do this?

    So finally to what the OP of this thread asked - how long until you are charged to post on Boards.ie?
    • Has anyone from the company ever mentioned "pay to post" as a potential site idea (April Fools kinds of things aside)?
    • What benefit do you think we get out of charging people to post?
    • How long do you think our site would exist if we did start charging?
    • Do you think I'd let that happen (for the record, I'd be quitting my job and making a lot of noise about this if it ever became even a "well, maybe...." discussion)?
    Let's maybe apply some critical thought to those questions and you'll see that the idea that we'd charge you to post is, frankly, absurd.


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  • #31
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Dav wrote: »
    Re: Adverts new fees:
    It's worth pointing out that there is a feedback thread on the Talk To Adverts.ie Forum.

    There is also another thread discussing alternatives if you no longer wish to use the site here in the Online Buying forum. I would really ask that people read this post I made as it might be worth taking on board before all the claims about just how much money Adverts is making - but that's besides the point.

    So if you want to discuss the introduction of these fees on Adverts, those are the 2 places you can do it.

    Job done, moving in...

    Some important points. Adverts.ie and Boards.ie are 2 separate businesses. Yes, we're all in the Distilled Group, but our 2 websites and businesses are completely different. When Boards makes big changes, we discuss it with you here in the Feedback forum. I'd like to think that we have a rather good track record in that regard and I'd ask you to think about how many websites and platforms that you use daily do this?

    So finally to what the OP of this thread asked - how long until you are charged to post on Boards.ie?
    • Has anyone from the company ever mentioned "pay to post" as a potential site idea (April Fools kinds of things aside)?
    • What benefit do you think we get out of charging people to post?
    • How long do you think our site would exist if we did start charging?
    • Do you think I'd let that happen (for the record, I'd be quitting my job and making a lot of noise about this if it ever became even a "well, maybe...." discussion)?
    Let's maybe apply some critical thought to those questions and you'll see that the idea that we'd charge you to post is, frankly, absurd.
    Could you not at least charge trolls and people who consistently go off topic. It would surely make for better fora.


  • #32
    Lovely Bloke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    Alden Grumpy Backdrop wrote: »
    Could you not at least charge trolls and people who consistently go off topic. It would surely make for better fora.

    you mean the content makers?


  • #33
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Maybe I'm going soft in my old age but I genuinely don't see the big deal with charging €1 on every sale over €30 =/

    I'd say the anger stems from the fact that it wasn't discussed or made known as a possible move to users before the end decision was made. I'd still use Adverts before the likes of Ebay or DoneDeal simply because of its ties and relationship with Boards, and how easy it is to check seller or buyer reputations transparently, which imo is important and pretty unique to Adverts.

    The only thing I'd have a problem with is the fact that if you don't have enough money in your 'wallet' the fee is taken from your phone credit or added to your bill.. which seems a bit intrusive to me. I signed up to Adverts through Boards, and I verified my mobile number on Adverts afterwards. I'm not entirely happy with the idea that brand new terms have been added without offering me the opportunity to opt-out beforehand (I wouldn't have, but still). I didn't share my contact details with the company with the knowledge that one day, Adverts could take funds at their own discretion.


  • #34
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    You guys are the world's worst censor if this is censorship. :D


  • #35
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Dav wrote: »
    Job done, moving in...

    Some important points. Adverts.ie and Boards.ie are 2 separate businesses. Yes, we're all in the Distilled Group, but our 2 websites and businesses are completely different. When Boards makes big changes, we discuss it with you here in the Feedback forum. I'd like to think that we have a rather good track record in that regard and I'd ask you to think about how many websites and platforms that you use daily do this?

    So finally to what the OP of this thread asked - how long until you are charged to post on Boards.ie?
    • Has anyone from the company ever mentioned "pay to post" as a potential site idea (April Fools kinds of things aside)?
    • What benefit do you think we get out of charging people to post?
    • How long do you think our site would exist if we did start charging?
    • Do you think I'd let that happen (for the record, I'd be quitting my job and making a lot of noise about this if it ever became even a "well, maybe...." discussion)?
    Let's maybe apply some critical thought to those questions and you'll see that the idea that we'd charge you to post is, frankly, absurd.

    typical politician speak. rule out the worst case scenario now so you can row back to a botched charging scheme based off some world class example or other at a later date once everyone is distracted :pac::pac::pac:


  • #36
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    typical politician speak. rule out the worst case scenario now so you can row back to a botched charging scheme based off some world class example or other at a later date once everyone is distracted :pac::pac::pac:
    Well we know what's coming once they let Lolcats back in Feedback! :pac:

    But we'll all be aaawing to much to care anyway


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  • #37
    nesf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Alden Grumpy Backdrop wrote: »
    Could you not at least charge trolls and people who consistently go off topic. It would surely make for better fora.

    You do realise because of the halo effect trolls have and the massive amounts of page views and ad revenues they generate from just a handful of posts that the average account you see trolling is actually being controlled from a sweatshop somewhere near Dundrum where countless drones labour over PCs to be even more outrageous than the last all under a generous JobsBridge Scheme run by Daft for "Social Media Managers" don't you?


  • #38
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Is it a Done Deal?


  • #39
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Nody wrote: »
    Well we know what's coming once they let Lolcats back in Feedback! :pac:

    But we'll all be aaawing to much to care anyway

    The lolcats are never coming back.

    Trust me, I'm pretty sure I'm the guy who killed them. Although Gordon was the guy who pulled the trigger. It was pretty much suicide by cop, but w/e.


  • #40
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Personally,
    There are some days I wish boards.ie did charge for account creation, it would certainly stop trolling or atleast reduce it and spamming would be killed in its tracks.

    If you look at for example somethingawful which is a pretty popular forum, it costs $10 to setup an account with them. You can also change other people's avatar and text under someone's username by paying out $5 or $10, lots of people do this.

    The site is still going, its clearly been a money making thing for them. At the end of the day it costs alot of money to run large web forums.

    Just checking the above site and i see they still charge to create an account,
    registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us $3,400 per month for bandwidth bills alone, and since we don't believe in shoving popup ads to our registered users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.

    Will boards.ie ever charge to post on the forums, no of course not. don't be silly!


  • #41
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Personally,
    There are some days I wish boards.ie did charge for account creation, it would certainly stop trolling or atleast reduce it and spamming would be killed in its tracks.

    If you look at for example somethingawful which is a pretty popular forum, it costs $10 to setup an account with them. You can also change other people's avatar and text under someone's username by paying out $5 or $10, lots of people do this.

    The site is still going, its clearly been a money making thing for them. At the end of the day it costs alot of money to run large web forums.

    Just checking the above site and i see they still charge to create an account,



    Will boards.ie ever charge to post on the forums, no of course not. don't be silly!

    Would boards really have the user base to start charging? something awful i assume is an American forum has a huge market of potential users who will want to post there. Would something like that work in Ireland?


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  • #42
    fl4pj4ck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭fl4pj4ck


    Maybe introduce a success-fee, that will only apply if someone replies to one's thread. Wait....


  • #43
    nesf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    fl4pj4ck wrote: »
    Maybe introduce a success-fee, that will only apply if someone replies to one's thread. Wait....

    Nah, 10c per like recieved, 5c per like given.


  • #44
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    You guys are the world's worst censor if this is censorship. :D

    Nah, the best censors let others think they're not being censored. We're fecking pros.:cool:


  • #45
    IITYWYBMAD
    Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭IITYWYBMAD


    Lads, the options are clear. Deal with adverts.ie costs or go elsewhere....it's that simple. As far as Dav's statement goes, he could not be clearer. The adverts.ie site costs money to run. Distilled Media need/want money to run it. If you're not happy , find/use an alternative.


  • #46
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    IITYWYBMAD wrote: »
    Lads, the options are clear. Deal with adverts.ie costs or go elsewhere....it's that simple. As far as Dav's statement goes, he could not be clearer. The adverts.ie site costs money to run. Distilled Media need/want money to run it. If you're not happy , find/use an alternative.


    Good to have an opinion on things in fairness.


  • #47
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    I think it is a lot more suited here alright.


  • #48
    Unknown Soldier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭Unknown Soldier


    Overheal wrote: »
    The lolcats are never coming back.

    Trust me, I'm pretty sure I'm the guy who killed them. Although Gordon was the guy who pulled the trigger. It was pretty much suicide by cop, but w/e.

    Cool.

    I thought I killed that buzz tbh :/ Before your time though, Overheal.


  • #49
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Unknown Soldier wrote: »
    Cool.

    I thought I killed that buzz tbh :/ Before your time though, Overheal.

    Before my time? You're 2008, pup :confused:


  • #50
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Would boards really have the user base to start charging? something awful i assume is an American forum has a huge market of potential users who will want to post there. Would something like that work in Ireland?

    SA has around 150k users, Boards.ie has over 600k users.
    So boards is a bigger site, would everyone pay a one off fee? Only the users can answer that one.


  • #51
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    You're never going to be charged to post on boards now come off it and get out of feedback on over to Adverts if you're that bothered. Vote with your euro.


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