Abuse from a Garda member

crossy · 24-01-2014 9:43pm

TCP/IP wrote: »

Oh please stop this is getting embarrassing the words 530 diesel tractor should never be mentioned in the high performance. Please stop your killing you own credibility.

Ok maybe not very hi-performance but it is modified like this one http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8197000674_19872eb9d3_c.jpg

mathepac · 24-01-2014 9:48pm

crossy wrote: »

... http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8197000674_19872eb9d3_c.jpg

Ooooh. ultra chav-tastic innit, eh, innit? White base-ball cap with intact price-tag and white stripey runners to match, eh, know-wot-i-mean bruv, innit, eh?

shleedance · 24-01-2014 9:50pm

Regardless if he is in the wrong or not, the guard acted unprofessionally. I would complain if it happened - not because it offended me, but because their job is to uphold the law and to protect the peace.

The cynicism of people is astounding. Hate to appear hyperbolic, but the same attitude is why everyone's being screwed in the first place.:rolleyes:

crossy · 24-01-2014 9:50pm

mathepac wrote: »

Ooooh. ultra chav-tastic innit, eh, innit? White base-ball cap with intact price-tag and white stripey runners to match, eh, know-wot-i-mean bruv, innit, eh?

Ye thats it good man. Im into my cars and I collect them so everyones taste to their own

bajer101 · 24-01-2014 9:54pm

crossy wrote: »

Ok maybe not very hi-performance but it is modified like this one http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8197000674_19872eb9d3_c.jpg

I'm beginning to like this Guard.

Arthur Beesley · 24-01-2014 9:56pm

Bloody rubberneckers.

irishgrover · 24-01-2014 9:57pm

crossy wrote: »

Ok maybe not very hi-performance but it is modified like this one http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8197000674_19872eb9d3_c.jpg

sorry, but that photo really does not help your position....it's enough to make a car designer cry :-)
back on topic, regardless of what you were or were not doing. The Garda has not right whatsoever to speak to a member of the public like that in such circumstances. It's idiots like him that make life much harder to the better majority of his colleagues.

bobwilliams · 24-01-2014 10:00pm

dpofloinn wrote: »

Would you get over yourself.Gardai at the scene of an accident have enough to be dealing with, least of all being pleasent to rubberneckers.If you had got his number what would your complaint have been? He gave you a legal order to keep your eyes on the road ,fair enough he shouldnt have added the 'you spa' at the end but do you know what its like to have to attend the scene of an accident and the stress that comes with that

r u for real,the garda was a prick,they want respect but on the whole don't give it

punisher5112 · 24-01-2014 10:07pm

I have a complaint to make against some sp*s which I have come across on different occasions where they have called me names or shouted at me who do I complain to?:rolleyes:

Vision of Disorder · 24-01-2014 10:10pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

I have a complaint to make against some sp*s which I have come across on different occasions where they have called me names or shouted at me who do I complain to?:rolleyes:

You're the Punisher man, you deal with that sh1t yourself! :cool:

punisher5112 · 24-01-2014 10:13pm

Vision of Disorder wrote: »

You're the Punisher man, you deal with that sh1t yourself! :cool:

Oh yeah really should punish them with some pain.:pac:

Mr.Torrent · 24-01-2014 10:26pm

crossy wrote: »

Hi,

I was driving by a crash today and the traffic was really slow. I slowed to let a car out of a lane in front of me so everyone can get by. While doing this I glanced at the crash but I definitely did not hold up the traffic.

A guard then came over to me and said through my window "keep your eyes on the road you ****ing spa"

I parked my car and went back to get his garda number but he had left the accident.

My question is should Guards be allowed to think because they are the law they can get away with stuff like this? Or is there a law about looking at a crashed car if I definitely was not holding up traffic?

cheers

The Guard obviously didnt take Affiction Classes at templemore during training

Fred Swanson · 24-01-2014 10:53pm

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punisher5112 · 24-01-2014 10:59pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Really have you ever dealt with the public.

As a whole most are decent but there is only so much any human can take just because they have a uniform on doesn't turn them into robots to be so lovely that people would just walk all over.

The public could also have manners and behave better towards are serving members.

Fred Swanson · 24-01-2014 11:06pm

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mathepac · 24-01-2014 11:07pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Really have you ever dealt with the public.

As a whole most are decent but there is only so much any human can take just because they have a uniform on doesn't turn them into robots to be so lovely that people would just walk all over.

The public could also have manners and behave better towards are serving members.

Are you a serving member or just a Joe Soap civilian member?

galwaytown · 24-01-2014 11:18pm

Ive a Honda 50&she's a beaut to go!
A lot of ego tripping goin on here tonight,that's right!

fartyarse · 24-01-2014 11:19pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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"Dear Ombudsman,

You won't BELIEVE what happened to be today. A Garda neglected to say thank you to me today at a checkpoint.

I look forward to your reply.

Fred"

crossy · 24-01-2014 11:21pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Couldnt agree more. Its their job and in my job I am never ignorant to anyone so why should they be

Fred Swanson · 24-01-2014 11:22pm

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nullzero · 24-01-2014 11:27pm

When you represent an organization it is incumbent upon you to conduct yourself in a manner befitting that organization. Using language of the type described by the OP is unacceptable. Ask yourself would this Garda have used such language had one of his superiors been in earshot? Rubbernecking is not to be encouraged, but if true the Garda in question went over the top in their reaction.

punisher5112 · 24-01-2014 11:31pm

mathepac wrote: »

Are you a serving member or just a Joe Soap civilian member?

No I am not but know well what they have to put up with.

I work with the public so know how horrible they can be.

I wouldn't be standing up for a rude person but just try to see the bigger picture and take on what is said on both sides.

Russia, poland and many other places the cops would not be polite like has been said as they take absolutely no sh1t.
Ireland the cops are afraid to do anything for fear of people who do be making up stories or complaints and they the cops have a lot to lose where as the gobsh1tes don't give a crap.

crossy · 24-01-2014 11:44pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Ye it is unreal. As soon as everyone heard the Guard said something to me they jumped to the conclusion that I must have been in the wrong.

punisher5112 · 24-01-2014 11:53pm

crossy wrote: »

Ye it is unreal. As soon as everyone heard the Guard said something to me they jumped to the conclusion that I must have been in the wrong.

But you admitted you were looking maybe maybe not for long as you said but he seen you looking so was looking out for your safety his and all other road users as what I seen this morning at Glen of the downs where car crashed then others trying to catch a peak crashed also which in turn puts more in danger.

You have to admitt if you were standing out in the open with no metal around you you would b e a bit pissed off with the laziness of some amount of Irish road users.

I 've been crashed into many a time from people distracted by looking elsewhere or using the phone or doing their make up.

I do agree he could have chosen better words but sure you will forget about it tommorow and he wouldn't have meant it. It was just at that moment and everybody has their bad day even you I would imagine.

Cienciano · 25-01-2014 1:15am

Garda was an arsehole, simple as that. OP did nothing wrong, didn't hold up traffic, just glanced over. You can glance at a road sign.
All the garda did was make a member of the public lose a little bit of respect for the gardai.

Zambia · 25-01-2014 1:43am

Just a thought why is this in legal discussion?

Really is more a customer service issue.

dees99 · 25-01-2014 3:15am

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Are you for real?? Irish cops are the softest in Europe, you can practically curse in they're face without getting arrested. Russian cops would beat the **** out of you and there is not even a place to complain. Cops deal with all sorts of people, id expect them to be a bit rough and tough. They're not waiters in a 5 star restaurant.

Toughen up man ffs

Zambia · 25-01-2014 3:18am

Manners don't cost anything, some of the hardest blokes I know are true gentlemen.

bajer101 · 25-01-2014 4:19am

dees99 wrote: »

Are you for real?? Irish cops are the softest in Europe, you can practically curse in they're face without getting arrested. Russian cops would beat the **** out of you and there is not even a place to complain. Cops deal with all sorts of people, id expect them to be a bit rough and tough. They're not waiters in a 5 star restaurant.

Toughen up man ffs

That's not really true. Most middle class people could possibly curse in the face of Gardai without getting arrested, but there is a rotten element in the force who will happily stereotype you, and if they think that you can't afford a private solicitor will drag you into the cells and kick the **** out of you. In fact, swearing to Garda is often used as a reason to arrest you and is then often included on a charge sheet. Wear a track suit and baseball cap and walk up to a Garda in Tallaght and swear at him and test your hypothesis. When you get dragged into the cells pretend that you are not middle class and give your address as a council estate and continue swearing at them, and you will get the **** kicked out of you.

Zambia · 25-01-2014 4:28am

bajer101 wrote: »

That's not really true. Most middle class people could possibly curse in the face of Gardai without getting arrested, but there is a rotten element in the force who will happily stereotype you, and if they think that you can't afford a private solicitor will drag you into the cells and kick the **** out of you. In fact, swearing to Garda is often used as a reason to arrest you and is then often included on a charge sheet. Wear a track suit and baseball cap and walk up to a Garda in Tallaght and swear at him and test your hypothesis. When you get dragged into the cells pretend that you are not middle class and give your address as a council estate and continue swearing at them, and you will get the **** kicked out of you.

In fairness in the above scenario you deserve the **** kicked out of you.

Santa Cruz · 25-01-2014 12:13pm

crossy wrote: »

Ye it is unreal. As soon as everyone heard the Guard said something to me they jumped to the conclusion that I must have been in the wrong.

You have posted nothing that would contradict the Guards description of you

Frank Black · 25-01-2014 12:26pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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They're very polite as long as your carrying enough money to bribe them.

mathepac · 25-01-2014 4:26pm

crossy wrote: »

Couldnt agree more. Its their job and in my job I am never ignorant to anyone so why should they be

OP, the majority here agree the Guard behaved disgracefully. The other posts about the car etc were just bustin' your balls a little. No offence intended.

crossy · 25-01-2014 4:46pm

mathepac wrote: »

OP, the majority here agree the Guard behaved disgracefully. The other posts about the car etc were just bustin' your balls a little. No offence intended.

Ah I know that. I like to play along with a bit of friendly banter ha

dees99 · 25-01-2014 6:25pm

Except when I saw the picture of the white beamer, I thought you were out of that TV show 'My big fat gypsy wedding'.

And that's not an attempt to bust your balls.

Seriously can't believe you went back to get his number and report him. You must be a very very sensitive guy to take such offense from a schoolyard remark.

Cienciano · 25-01-2014 10:42pm

dees99 wrote: »

Except when I saw the picture of the white beamer, I thought you were out of that TV show 'My big fat gypsy wedding'.

And that's not an attempt to bust your balls.

Seriously can't believe you went back to get his number and report him. You must be a very very sensitive guy to take such offense from a schoolyard remark.

Will do no harm if that Garda gets a talking to from his sergeant or whoever either. It's more than being sensitive and taking offense to the comment, but if the gardai go around talking to people like that and not acting professionally, they'll lose any respect the public have for them.

WayneScott · 25-01-2014 11:38pm

dpofloinn wrote: »

Would you get over yourself.Gardai at the scene of an accident have enough to be dealing with, least of all being pleasent to rubberneckers.If you had got his number what would your complaint have been? He gave you a legal order to keep your eyes on the road ,fair enough he shouldnt have added the 'you spa' at the end but do you know what its like to have to attend the scene of an accident and the stress that comes with that

garda fanboys are out

taytothief · 25-01-2014 11:50pm

Everyone should respect authority without question, and take whatever abuse they give you.

bobwilliams · 26-01-2014 12:46am

taytothief wrote: »

Everyone should respect authority without question, and take whatever abuse they give you.

yeah here i'll put that johnny on for ya guard:D

hatrickpatrick · 26-01-2014 12:51am

No Pants wrote: »

Get away with what exactly? Being rude?

As the guard said, if you were looking at the car, then you weren't looking at the road.

It's illegal for a member of the public to use abusive language towards the Gardai.
It should be just as illegal for a member of the Gardai to use abusive language to a member of the public.

No Pants · 26-01-2014 10:57am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It should be just as illegal for a member of the Gardai to use abusive language to a member of the public.

Is it already or is legislation required before the Dáil?

Santa Cruz · 26-01-2014 11:05am

taytothief wrote: »

Everyone should respect authority without question, and take whatever abuse they give you.

"Beatings will continue until morale improves"

aloyisious · 26-01-2014 11:18am

Sound's like the Garda was "losing it". That type of language is unprofessional, provocative, get's peoples angry, and likely to result in a "public order" type incident. It's simply not good enough to say the Gda was right to chown the poster in that manner for rubbernecking and tell him that he should shut up and take it when there's the time-honoured "keep moving" or "move along, nothing to see here" instruction from a Gda.

Having been in a law and order enforcement body for 22 years, I know how one's patience stretches and it's tempting to give some-one a good "tongue-lashing" for rubbernecking and being too close an observer to an incident-scene, causing a ripple-effect likely to lead to a second crash.

Heisenberg1 · 26-01-2014 11:23am

aloyisious wrote: »

Sound's like the Garda was "losing it". That type of language is unprofessional, provocative, get's peoples angry, and likely to result in a "public order" type incident. It's simply not good enough to say the Gda was right to chown the poster in that manner for rubbernecking and tell him that he should shut up and take it when there's the time-honoured "keep moving" or "move along, nothing to see here" instruction from a Gda.

Having been in a law and order enforcement body for 22 years, I know how one's patience stretches and it's tempting to give some-one a good "tongue-lashing" for rubbernecking and being too close an observer to an incident-scene, causing a ripple-effect likely to lead to a second crash.

What do you expect most of them do not know what the word professional means. Just look at the penalty points scandal. I constantly see Gardai driving around using mobile phones and not obeying the rules of the road. Sure most of them don't even have a full licence to drive breaking the law.

Zambia · 26-01-2014 11:50am

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

What do you expect most of them do not know what the word professional means. Just look at the penalty points scandal. I constantly see Gardai driving around using mobile phones and not obeying the rules of the road. Sure most of them don't even have a full licence to drive breaking the law.

Do they sell drugs to kids too?

Cienciano · 26-01-2014 11:53am

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

What do you expect most of them do not know what the word professional means. Just look at the penalty points scandal. I constantly see Gardai driving around using mobile phones and not obeying the rules of the road. Sure most of them don't even have a full licence to drive breaking the law.

They're exempt from the mobile phone whilst driving law

crossy · 26-01-2014 12:03pm

Something I want to make clear after most of you talking about it like the guards are like god.

It is not called rubbernecking when the car is flipped over on the middle lane of a 3 lane road and you have to drive around it.
How am I meant to drive around it and not look at it.

People were also driving slow incase they drove over pieces of broken car which could damage theirs.

aloyisious · 26-01-2014 1:31pm

As crossy say's. the other side of the coin is that he was driving with due care and attention by keeping an all around view of obstructions.

RustyNut · 26-01-2014 1:41pm

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

I constantly see Gardai driving around using mobile phones and not obeying the rules of the road. Sure most of them don't even have a full licence to drive.

None of which is illegal for a Garda. I'm sure most have a licence.

Banjoxed · 26-01-2014 1:52pm

Rubbernecking? Response sounds just about right to me. Around a year ago I was travelling northbound on the M50 and traffic had ground to a near halt. The stoppage was entirely due to idiots rubbernecking at a an accident on the other carriageway. Multiply the OP by a hundred fold and you get completely unnecessary tailbacks.

Should really be a penalty points issue. Garda was doing his job in an appropriate way. OP should take his bollocking like a man and hopefully learn from it.

Abuse from a Garda member

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