Yes Equality Campaign

amdublin · 14-05-2015 10:15pm

I was out this evening! My first ever and it was fantastic.

We did portersgate and mount symon. The leaders called it a day at 8.30 I would have kept going all night!!!!

There are some great people out there.

Anyone got the time on Saturday or next week evening come join! It's a fantastic experience. And hopefully we will win and you know you will have helped.

amdublin · 15-05-2015 1:25pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

The Dublin West canvass team will be meeting on Saturday morning at 11am at the Paddocks Pub in Clonee for any D15ers out that want to get involved

Cannot reccomend my experience enough.

I'm away this weekend but will get out some eves next weekend.

If you're free please go along to this. You'll be matched up to an experienced person and the people were all just so nice. It's great exchanging stories along the way.

Larbre34 · 15-05-2015 2:44pm

I cannot campaign as I'm involved in the administration of the poll, but I'd like to say well done to everyone who gave their time.

I don't agree with defacing posters and any other undemocratic acts, but some of the 'No' posters I saw being erected between Clonee and Dunboyne last night were so disingenuous its not funny.

chucknorris · 15-05-2015 2:44pm

I usually associate religions nuts with forcing their opinions and will on people and no doubt a lot of them are associated with the no side. In the last two weeks I've noticed a similar mob mentality coming form the what I can only assume is the yes campaign or yes voters.

I read a lot of the comments online directed against Ger Brennan for expressing a fairly well thought out reason for his decision to go with a no vote, in the same way others expressed well thought out reasons for a yes vote.

Then there is the no posters that are are systematically being pulled down or defaced on every occasion they go up.

If people who are voting yes feel they are fighting the good fight, then I cannot understand the aggressive mob mentality online against people or campaigns that don't agree with them.

What I've noticed lately is anti-democratic and flies in the face of equality as in equality to choose and vote as one pleases.

I'm starting to wonder if the messing will affect peoples decision on what way to vote or even whether to vote at all?

jobbridge4life · 15-05-2015 2:52pm

chucknorris wrote: »

I usually associate religions nuts with forcing their opinions and will on people and no doubt a lot of them are associated with the no side. In the last two weeks I've noticed a similar mob mentality coming form the what I can only assume is the yes campaign or yes voters.

We are in the middle of a referendum campaign. Of course people are going to strongly campaign one way or the other.

chucknorris wrote: »

I read a lot of the comments online directed against Ger Brennan for expressing a fairly well thought out reason for his decision to go with a no vote, in the same way others expressed well thought out reasons for a yes vote.

Except for he didn't. He didn't remotely. He repeated falsities, he included aspects that have nothing to do with the referendum and in radio interviews subsequently he directly contradicted both the Referendum Commission and The Adoption Authority.

ThisRegard · 15-05-2015 2:56pm

chucknorris wrote: »

against Ger Brennan for expressing a fairly well thought out reason

The problem was that it wasn't that well thought out, but had contradictions and irrelevance. People also had an issue with him not declaring that he's a religion teacher and studied theology, but rather his views were promoted as a view of a "Dublin footballer".

chucknorris · 15-05-2015 3:00pm

jobbridge4life wrote: »

We are in the middle of a referendum campaign. Of course people are going to strongly campaign one way or the other.

Except for he didn't. He didn't remotely. He repeated falsities, he included aspects that have nothing to do with the referendum and in radio interviews subsequently he directly contradicted both the Referendum Commission and The Adoption Authority.

He detailed well thought out reasons for himself. He was entitled to form his own opinions as he wishes and you are also entitled agree or disagree with them. The abuse he got online was actually unbelievable.

Do you think any of it will impact on peoples decisions for the 23rd?

chucknorris · 15-05-2015 3:03pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

The problem was that it wasn't that well thought out, but had contradictions and irrelevance. People also had an issue with him not declaring that he's a religion teacher and studied theology, but rather his views were promoted as a view of a "Dublin footballer".

Sure quite a lot of people have been given opinion pieces on the matter from both sides (It seems well known people's opinions are worth more that ours :-) ). I've enjoyed reading the arguments, but listen, everyone to their own.

jobbridge4life · 15-05-2015 3:04pm

chucknorris wrote: »

He detailed well thought out reasons for himself. He was entitled to form his own opinions as he wishes and you also of course entitled agree or disagree with them. The abuse he got online was actually unbelievable.

Do you think any of it will impact on peoples decisions for the 23rd?

They were not well thought out. He made false claims (whether deliberately or through misinformation I don't know). He involved elements that have no relevance to the referendum. He is entitled to his own opinion as I am to scrutinize and debunk his opinion especially when it includes so many falsities.

I think some people looking for an excuse to vote no will take this opportunity yes.

chucknorris · 15-05-2015 3:11pm

jobbridge4life wrote: »

They were not well thought out. He made false claims (whether deliberately or through misinformation I don't know). He involved elements that have no relevance to the referendum. He is entitled to his own opinion as I am to scrutinize and debunk his opinion especially when it includes so many falsities.

I think some people looking for an excuse to vote no will take this opportunity yes.

PS: I meant the 22nd, not 23rd of course. long day.

ThisRegard · 15-05-2015 3:13pm

chucknorris wrote: »

Sure quite a lot of people have been given opinion pieces on the matter from both sides (It seems well known people's opinions are worth more that ours :-) ). I've enjoyed reading the arguments, but listen, everyone to their own.

Having an opinion is fine, but when your opinion is based on falsehood expect it to be torn asunder, especially if you put it in national media and use your privileged position to promote it.

chucknorris · 15-05-2015 3:20pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Having an opinion is fine, but when your opinion is based on falsehood expect it to be torn asunder, especially if you put it in national media and use your privileged position to promote it.

I agree with you 100%, but i felt the yes campaign had the moral high ground throughout. the yes side has become a mob mentality also - but of course not everyone from the yes side is involved in any mob mentality, but it's there and the spraying of posters that are no posters is bananas. That loses the moral high ground, to what degree i do not know and it is anti democratic because that's silencing anothers argument no matter how bananas that argument is.

MrStuffins · 15-05-2015 3:58pm

chucknorris wrote: »

I read a lot of the comments online directed against Ger Brennan for expressing a fairly well thought out reason for his decision to go with a no vote

Lol!

Gaspode · 15-05-2015 4:55pm

I agree with Chuck on the vandalism thing. WTF are these people thinking? Sure the posters are disingenuous and misleading in the extreme but it is not acceptable in any way to deface or remove them however tempting.
That undemocratic and intolerant behaviour could well backfire on the yes side.

amdublin · 15-05-2015 6:40pm

People keep on going on about "all the abuse" Ger Brennan got.

I posted about him on twitter (that he was wrong) and during the day went through twitter. I didn't see "vitriolic abuse" as one twitter user said he was getting. I saw 3/4 tweets which could only be described as vaguely abusive - calling him a clown for example.

What I did see were alot of people refuting what he said. Which by the way was a complete brain dump of everything iona have been saying recently.
I fear for his students that as a teacher he can't even formulate his own (correct) opinions.

And finally I think the poster defacing is a disgrace. Everyone in the canvas with me the other night said the same - we are all about a "postive campaign" as said by Roderic O'Gorman while talking us through the ins and outs of canvassing

#MakeGraTheLaw

amdublin · 18-05-2015 8:15am

Anyone know what the plan is/where meeting tonight??

Was going to do just Tuesday night but considering all the polls I think the more people on the ground the better.

athtrasna · 18-05-2015 8:26am

6.45 at the Paddocks, Little Pace

Dobbit · 18-05-2015 9:31am

amdublin wrote: »

People keep on going on about "all the abuse" Ger Brennan got.

I posted about him on twitter (that he was wrong) and during the day went through twitter. I didn't see "vitriolic abuse" as one twitter user said he was getting. I saw 3/4 tweets which could only be described as vaguely abusive - calling him a clown for example.

Being told you're wrong and being shown the proof apparently qualifies as abuse these days....

Meanwhile Panti was getting death threats over the weekend.

BabysCoffee · 18-05-2015 10:33am

amdublin wrote: »

Anyone know what the plan is/where meeting tonight??

Was going to do just Tuesday night but considering all the polls I think the more people on the ground the better.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dublin-West-YesEquality/326541034204698?fref=ts

Mon 18th - 6:45pm - The Paddocks Pub, Littlepace
Tue 19th - 6:45pm - Clonsilla Inn, Clonsilla Village
Wed 20th - 6:45pm - Hartstown House, Hartstown
Thurs 21st - 6:45pm - TBC

amdublin · 18-05-2015 5:03pm

So apparently panti is canvassing in Clonee tonight!!!!!!

And I had already confirmed I was going this morn!

Can't believe it!

Hollister11 · 18-05-2015 5:09pm

I'm sick of the campaigning. If someone has decided to vote yes, they will vote yes. If they want to vote no, they will vote no. There not going to change peoples mind.

Gaspode · 18-05-2015 5:13pm

I think at this stage it's more about making sure people just get out & vote. Apathy might just be the winner of both referenda.

amdublin · 18-05-2015 5:41pm

Definitely at this stage about getting the message out to make sure you come and vote.

So did I mention that I'm gonna meet Rory O'Neill tonight?!!!!

athtrasna · 18-05-2015 6:54pm

amdublin wrote: »

Definitely at this stage about getting the message out to make sure you come and vote.

So did I mention that I'm gonna meet Rory O'Neill tonight?!!!!

I'd love to be there but I'm having awful problems with my knees again, can barely walk. Sure Rory cancels me out

amdublin · 18-05-2015 9:54pm

I'm in bed with a nurofen - something about all that walking on the cement hurts my back.

But all that walking and knocking on doors is what will hopefully get us the yes votes on Friday.

As for Rory O'Neill he's just fantastic!

Dobbit · 19-05-2015 9:09am

Hollister11 wrote: »

I'm sick of the campaigning. If someone has decided to vote yes, they will vote yes. If they want to vote no, they will vote no. There not going to change peoples mind.

You're wrong. There's a lot of people wavering on a yes who are being scared into nonsense, ill-informed opinions, who need to be told the facts because they haven't bothered researching them themselves.

For example, a friend of mine, who was voting yes, decided to vote no because she feared gay couples would be involved in an adopting free for all. When it was explained to her that a. Gay couples can already adopt and b. adopting in this country is ridiculously difficult anyway, she was quickly back to a yes.

The No side are doing a good job of swaying people who are naive and easily frightened. Canvassing is hugely important.

Larbre34 · 19-05-2015 12:16pm

Dobbit wrote: »

There's a lot of people wavering on a yes who are being scared into nonsense, ill-informed opinions, who need to be told the facts because they haven't bothered researching them themselves.

I'll be a yes voter.

However, the worst mistake many Yes promoters are making is to demean the opinions of No voters, or people who are undecided. Suggesting that your persuasion is "the facts" will only drive people in the opposite direction.

The No campaign are gaining some ground with what are undoubtedly spurious issues, however if a person is of the belief that marriage has always been an institution between a man and a woman and that should not change, it is neither a nonsense nor ill-informed, its a viewpoint of equal validity.

Dobbit · 19-05-2015 12:20pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'll be a yes voter.

However, the worst mistake many Yes promoters are making is to demean the opinions of No voters, or people who are undecided. Suggesting that your persuasion is "the facts" will only drive people in the opposite direction.

The No campaign are gaining some ground with what are undoubtedly spurious issues, however if a person is of the belief that marriage has always been an institution between a man and a woman and that should not change, it is neither a nonsense nor ill-informed, its a viewpoint of equal validity.

What part of
1. Gay couples can already adopt
2. Adoption is very hard in Ireland
are not facts?

That particular person was mislead on one very specific issue by mention of adoption on the no side. I never said she believes marriage is between a man and a woman.

Don't try to twist what I'm saying into an attack on a wider viewpoint that I never once mentioned.

MrStuffins · 19-05-2015 12:27pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

if a person is of the belief that marriage has always been an institution between a man and a woman and that should not change, it is neither a nonsense nor ill-informed, its a viewpoint of equal validity.

That would be fine. If someone was saying to me "Look, I just don't like it. The idea of gay people being married isn't nice when I picture it in my head. So i'm voting no" that would be grand.

But it's when they come out with all of this "children" and "surrogacy" stuff, it's disingenuous and, in places, downright lying. It makes their viewpoint invalid.

Dobbit · 19-05-2015 12:35pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

That would be fine. If someone was saying to me "Look, I just don't like it. The idea of gay people being married isn't nice when I picture it in my head. So i'm voting no" that would be grand.

But it's when they come out with all of this "children" and "surrogacy" stuff, it's disingenuous and, in places, downright lying. It makes their viewpoint invalid.

^This

There's not a lot of facts you can quote to someone who just doesn't like the idea of gay people getting married and that it should be just for opposite gender couples.

It's the people who believe things that can be countered with facts that I would be more likely to spend time educating in the days we have left before Friday.

amdublin · 19-05-2015 12:59pm

So my back is fine this morning. But one of my knees is really painful

More importantly who's out tonight??

6.45 at the clonsilla inn see u there!

December2012 · 19-05-2015 1:56pm

Would you mind pm'ing me the area that you'll be canvassing tonight? I'd love to help, I've to check with work first that it's ok to do it.

amdublin · 19-05-2015 2:52pm

December2012 wrote: »

Would you mind pm'ing me the area that you'll be canvassing tonight? I'd love to help, I've to check with work first that it's ok to do it.

Im not sure of the specific area December. But it must be in the clonsilla area as we are meeting at the clonsilla inn.

What happens is that we meet and then walk to area we are doing. For example last week we met at Inn and them walked and did portersgate and mount symon.

hotmail.com · 19-05-2015 4:29pm

December2012 wrote: »

Would you mind pm'ing me the area that you'll be canvassing tonight? I'd love to help, I've to check with work first that it's ok to do it.

Here's the facebook for details:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dublin-West-YesEquality/326541034204698?fref=ts

amdublin · 19-05-2015 9:29pm

An incredible turnout again this eve.

Our group had a 67% positive reaction (yeses) but bear in mind had a lot of houses which didn't answer. Plus there was differences from just one estate to another.

Tomorrow is last (currently anyway) formalised d15 canvass. Meet at 6.45 at the Hartstown Inn.

There is talk of a 7am canvass at leaflet handout at ashtown station on Thursday.

I met another great bunch of people again. Well done everyone.

I won't get out again but anyone thinking going I'd urge you to do it.

January · 19-05-2015 10:44pm

I'd love to be able to but getting out without kids atm is impossible as husband works evenings and I don't believe in bringing kids out canvassing.

athtrasna · 19-05-2015 11:42pm

Anyone else get the very heavy glossy leaflet from Standup4marriage.ie in their door today? A nasty no leaflet masquerading as a reasonable fair voice. Alas no postal address for me to return it to.

amdublin · 20-05-2015 7:25am

hotmail.com wrote: »

Here's the facebook for details:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dublin-West-YesEquality/326541034204698?fref=ts

See the fb page today for a photo of just one group - we were split into three last night.

There were nearly 80 canvassers in total. How amazing is that?

amdublin · 22-05-2015 8:34am

Anyone voted yet? How's the turnout looking?

amdublin · 22-05-2015 8:34am

Anyone voted yet? How's the turnout looking?

ciaran76 · 22-05-2015 8:57am

I went into Huntstown and was fairly busy at 7:30am.
I'm comparing it to other elections.

oblivious · 22-05-2015 9:19am

One of the the first at mochtas, was picking up when I left

Straylight · 22-05-2015 10:08am

Just been to vote in Hartstown. Steady stream of voters there and the people at our table said it had been very busy since they opened.

amdublin · 22-05-2015 8:00pm

Brisk voting in mountview

December2012 · 22-05-2015 8:48pm

I'm seeing reports on Twitter about turnouts in other areas. Anyway to find out how Dublin west is doing?

amdublin · 22-05-2015 9:09pm

December2012 wrote: »

I'm seeing reports on Twitter about turnouts in other areas. Anyway to find out how Dublin west is doing?

Tj clare (ind) and Roderic O'Gorman (green party) lead the canvassing, u could tweet them???

Report back here if you find out

dodzy · 22-05-2015 9:56pm

ciaran76 wrote: »

I went into Huntstown and was fairly busy at 7:30am.
I'm comparing it to other elections.

Huntstown. 7.55am. Me and 3 others. Passed one or two on entry / exit. Very quiet.

ThisRegard · 23-05-2015 10:21am

Tallies have Dublin West at 75% Yes.

January · 23-05-2015 11:01am

Absolutely delighted

amdublin · 23-05-2015 11:27am

Dublin west has done us proud.

It's a great day!!!

Yes Equality Campaign

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