Budget 2016

handlemaster · 11-10-2015 1:26pm

What date is the budget been announced?

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-10-2015 1:27pm

Aiyana Scruffy Whole-wheat wrote: »

Gee, they have never been so good as they are around here now. 10 to 15 years ago they were dire but I have to be honest and say the R and L routes are now excellent. I travel in Northern Ireland quite a bit and even some of their A roads are poor but here the roads are spot on now. We used to have to swerve constantly around potholes and crawl through rough gravel sections but these days are long gone. Bad bends etc have been removed as well.
No, can't agree with you on the state of the roads.

Well, I live in the Midlands and the roads are woeful.

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-10-2015 1:27pm

handlemaster wrote: »

What date is the budget been announced?

Tuesday the 13th.

pmasterson95 · 11-10-2015 1:31pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I don't have kids at all, actually. And if myself and my partner decide to have kids in future we can well afford to provide our own childcare. That's not the point of my post.

The point of my post is that in Ireland, the cost of childcare is so high that it incentivises low earners to just not work and stay at home and mind the child themselves. It's stupidity of the highest order.

Stupidity for a parent to stay at home and raise their child? Yep. Nothing stupider.

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-10-2015 1:34pm

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Stupidity for a parent to stay at home and raise their child? Yep. Nothing stupider.

Stupidity that we live in a system that punishes low earners for wanting to work instead of being stay at home parents. The fact that for loan parents it's often better for them to take 4 years off work and stay on benefits instead of going back to work is ridiculous. We should be supporting them to return to work by investing in childcare instead of pricing them out of the market.

You seem to have missed the point of my posts entirely, this is the problem when you come in at the end of a conversation without know what's actually being discussed.

Galwayguy35 · 11-10-2015 1:40pm

Aiyana Scruffy Whole-wheat wrote: »

Gee, they have never been so good as they are around here now. 10 to 15 years ago they were dire but I have to be honest and say the R and L routes are now excellent. I travel in Northern Ireland quite a bit and even some of their A roads are poor but here the roads are spot on now. We used to have to swerve constantly around potholes and crawl through rough gravel sections but these days are long gone. Bad bends etc have been removed as well.
No, can't agree with you on the state of the roads.

I'm guessing you don't live in the west, the secondary roads are a nightmare with some of the bad turns, and in winter a new pothole appears almost daily.

When the council eventually get around to it it's a bit of tar and a few stones and in a few days the same hole is as bad as ever.

I'm not exaggerating either.

lapua20grain · 11-10-2015 1:43pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Stupidity that we live in a system that punishes low earners for wanting to work instead of being stay at home parents. The fact that for loan parents it's often better for them to take 4 years off work and stay on benefits instead of going back to work is ridiculous. We should be supporting them to return to work by investing in childcare instead of pricing them out of the market.

You seem to have missed the point of my posts entirely, this is the problem when you come in at the end of a conversation without know what's actually being discussed.

my wife decided to stay at home to raise our son as she did not want some stranger in a creche raising our son she claims no benefits and i work is she stupid? nonsense comment

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-10-2015 1:43pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'm guessing you don't live in the west, the secondary roads are a nightmare with some of the bad turns, and in winter a new pothole appears almost daily.

When the council eventually get around to it it's a bit of tar and a few stones and in a few days the same hole is as bad as ever.

I'm not exaggerating either.

I had to drive from Galway to Leenaun last December when there was a bit of a frost, that road from Maam Cross to Leenaun scared the bejaysus out of me.

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-10-2015 1:44pm

lapua20grain wrote: »

my wife decided to stay at home to raise our son as she did not want some stranger in a creche raising our son she claims no benefits and i work is she stupid? nonsense comment

Please don't cherry-pick stuff out of context. Thanks.

It's great that your wife had that choice. Lots of people are FORCED to stay at home because they can't afford childcare.

Don't Chute! · 11-10-2015 2:34pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Have you been using the national or secondary roads much these days?

The motorways are grand, outside of that it's a shambles.

Yes I have. I drive all over the country for work. You're bull****ting.

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-10-2015 2:39pm

black and amber wrote: »

Yes I have. I drive all over the country for work. You're bull****ting.

No I'm not. I live in the midlands, work in the east and spend a lot of time in the west. I regularly use secondary roads that are a shambles. The state of roads in rural areas is one of the most common complaints I hear about the lack of spending on infrastructure.

lapua20grain · 11-10-2015 3:09pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Please don't cherry-pick stuff out of context. Thanks.

It's great that your wife had that choice. Lots of people are FORCED to stay at home because they can't afford childcare.

we made the decision because we did not want a stranger rearing our child it would be better for us both to work but then our son would have part time parents and not brought up in a balanced home. we wouldn't have been able to afford childcare if we decided to go down that path but decided that a well adjusted balanced child meant more than money. Thanks

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-10-2015 3:22pm

lapua20grain wrote: »

we made the decision because we did not want a stranger rearing our child it would be better for us both to work but then our son would have part time parents and not brought up in a balanced home. we wouldn't have been able to afford childcare if we decided to go down that path but decided that a well adjusted balanced child meant more than money. Thanks

Thats nice. On Tuesdays I like to have an Ice-cream after my dinner.

lapua20grain · 11-10-2015 3:25pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Thats nice. On Tuesdays I like to have an Ice-cream after my dinner.

good for you

handlemaster · 11-10-2015 3:26pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'm guessing you don't live in the west, the secondary roads are a nightmare with some of the bad turns, and in winter a new pothole appears almost daily.

When the council eventually get around to it it's a bit of tar and a few stones and in a few days the same hole is as bad as ever.

I'm not exaggerating either.

The issue is people want to build one off houses and expect the rest of the population to pay for their desire to live outside a town or city. But the cost of servicing such desires doesnt go down and the population isnt big enough to finance every boreen in the country have a quality road surface.

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-10-2015 3:26pm

lapua20grain wrote: »

good for you

Exactly, and has nothing to do with my posts in regards to childcare, much like your own posts.

lapua20grain · 11-10-2015 3:28pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Exactly, and has nothing to do with my posts in regards to childcare, much like your own posts.

good for you

ShoulderChip · 11-10-2015 3:49pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Thats nice. On Tuesdays I like to have an Ice-cream after my dinner.

I find a sorbet more cleansing of the pallet, fingers crossed the budget will be good...

guylikeme · 12-10-2015 9:06pm

Ridiculous moratorium rules.

MilesMorales1 · 12-10-2015 9:07pm

There is a budget topic on AH. And its not even been announced fully yet.

Geuze · 12-10-2015 9:18pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Underfunded and over stretched Health system; check
Underfunded and over stretched Primary schools; check
Underfunded and over stretched Secondary schools; check
Underfunded and over stretched Third level system; check

Med consultants are well paid, and we pay high prices for drugs - so I disagree that the health system is underfunded.

We have 3,000+ primary schools, way more than other countries of similar pop - is it underfunded?

A typical teacher's pension is 700pw - is the education system underfunded?

Geuze · 12-10-2015 9:19pm

florawest wrote: »

well paid nurses, what? Certainly not the ones who qualified in the past three or four years, their pay is pathetic for the great job and pressure they are under, time to rethink their wages definitely

All new entrants to the PS are on 10% less, as well as maybe losing allowances.

Geuze · 12-10-2015 9:21pm

handlemaster wrote: »

What date is the budget been announced?

Tue 13-Oct.

_Kaiser_ · 12-10-2015 9:23pm

Giveaway electioneering... take more people out of the tax net. Minor changes for those who'll be paying for it.

"New politics" indeed!

Qualitymark · 12-10-2015 9:25pm

Geuze wrote: »

All new entrants to the PS are on 10% less, as well as maybe losing allowances.

When I worked in the public service, after starting out in the private sector, I got my paycheck one day and said, "They've got something wrong - who do I ring - they've paid me too much?" My new colleagues laughed at me. "That's your annual increment." "My wha?" They explained that my pay automagically rose every month. I'd never heard its like.

Geuze · 12-10-2015 9:38pm

Increments are common in the private sector.

They may not be called increments, but they are fairly common.

For example, Lidl, Dunnes Stores operate like that.

Also note that much of PS is at top of scale, so no increments.

masti123 · 12-10-2015 9:46pm

Is there any chance of a change to the disability allowance?

MilesMorales1 · 12-10-2015 9:48pm

masti123 wrote: »

Is there any chance of a change to the disability allowance?

Doesn't seem like much, except for extra bonus at christmas.

My name is URL · 12-10-2015 10:05pm

Some parts of tomorrow's budget have been 'leaked'

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1012/734283-budget-2016/

xLisaBx · 12-10-2015 10:08pm

There has been rumours about college grant cuts? It's not in the leak though

guylikeme · 12-10-2015 10:09pm

xLisaBx wrote: »

There has been rumours about college grant cuts? It's not in the leak though

That'll teach ye not to vote!

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xLisaBx · 12-10-2015 10:28pm

guylikeme wrote: »

That'll teach ye not to vote!

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Haha, those students will never use their votes again with this discipline :pac:

The Randy Riverbeast · 12-10-2015 10:30pm

xLisaBx wrote: »

There has been rumours about college grant cuts? It's not in the leak though

Something being cut? Find that hard to believe in a pre-election budget.

Subcomandante Marcos · 12-10-2015 10:32pm

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Something being cut? Find that hard to believe in a pre-election budget.

Yeah, especially with so much being restored or raised. The last thing they'd want to do is motivate students to actually use their vote against them.

They'll likely cut a bit off of student contributions or promise to next year.

Cabaal · 12-10-2015 10:33pm

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Smokers have been shafted in every budget for years now. Big whoop.

Given they cost the HSE each year in health spend (approx 2billion for smoking related health issues ) then they bring in in tax (approx 1.6billion) it's only right smokers get shafted.

MilesMorales1 · 12-10-2015 10:35pm

I have no objection to cigarettes going up, as a smoker. Do the crime do the time so to speak.

Subcomandante Marcos · 12-10-2015 10:35pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Given they cost the HSE each year in health spend (approx 2billion for smoking related health issues ) then they bring in in tax (approx 1.6billion) it's only right smokers get shafted.

rabble rabble nanny state incoming in 3...2...1...

The Randy Riverbeast · 12-10-2015 10:40pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Yeah, especially with so much being restored or raised. The last thing they'd want to do is motivate students to actually use their vote against them.

They'll likely cut a bit off of student contributions or promise to next year.

I doubt it, FG made a promise about the student contribution before, look how that ended up. Maybe see an increase in who can qualify from the grant at most but would be surprised if they went anywhere near it. Suppose there was a surge in young voters in the referendum so might be trying to pick up a few of them.

Subcomandante Marcos · 12-10-2015 10:42pm

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

I doubt it, FG made a promise about the student contribution before, look how that ended up. Maybe see an increase in who can qualify from the grant at most but would be surprised if they went anywhere near it. Suppose there was a surge in young voters in the referendum so might be trying to pick up a few of them.

Maynooth alone registered 5,000 students (in a campus of 9,000?) for the referendum and another 2,000 during orientation week just gone.

Students might be a big voting bloc for once...

My name is URL · 12-10-2015 10:46pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Given they cost the HSE each year in health spend (approx 2billion for smoking related health issues ) then they bring in in tax (approx 1.6billion) it's only right smokers get shafted.

Any sources for those figures?

From the Royal College of Physicians

An EU report, also referenced in TFI3 estimated that Ireland spent €500 million of its health expenditure on tobacco related diseases

http://www.rcpi.ie/content/docs/000001/1717_5_media.pdf?1395650572

and

Excise receipts in respect of tobacco products tax amounted to some €1.1 billion

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2014-03-27a.135

Thankfully I have a load of friends and family who regularly travel abroad for work and are happy to bring me home a stock each time so it makes no odds to me anyway

Qualitymark · 12-10-2015 10:49pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Maynooth alone registered 5,000 students (in a campus of 9,000?) for the referendum and another 2,000 during orientation week just gone.

Students might be a big voting bloc for once...

Why do you think the elections are never on a Sunday, unlike other countries? To suppress the student vote, since most students are registered "at home", and can't take the bus to Donegal or Dunamase or Dunquin to vote midweek.

Hollister11 · 12-10-2015 10:50pm

Reduce social welfare by half. Saves 9,600,000,000.
Limit children's allowance to people with one irish parent at least. None of this - emigrants have a child here, or other europeans having kids here getting this benefit.
Increasing building in houses. This increases house to solve the homeless problem, and creates jobs in the economy.
Spend another 1.5B in each of Education and Health.
New transport System in Ireland. The equivalent of Dublin Bus and Dart in every county.
Dissolve irish water.
Reduce income tax to 15% and 33% respectively.
Everyone earning 150K + pays a flat rate of 18% on everything.
Capital gains, and capital acquisition tax reduced to 23%.
Reduce vat to 20%
Increase corporation tax to 15% on profits of over 1Million.
Tax on rental income to be 25%. Remove it from income tax completely.
Increase cigarettes to €15 per pack.
Buy all commercial units for sale and rent them out at 60% market rate. Creates business in the local economy and creates jobs.
Increase charitable payments to animal rights groups.

Qualitymark · 12-10-2015 10:52pm

The cost of putting the country back together after the revolution might be a bit dear, though.

Subcomandante Marcos · 12-10-2015 10:56pm

Hollister11 wrote: »

Reduce social welfare by half. Saves 9,600,000,000.

Limit children's allowance to people with one irish parent at least. None of this - emigrants have a child here, or other europeans having kids here getting this benefit.

Increasing building in houses. This increases house to solve the homeless problem, and creates jobs in the economy.

Spend another 1.5B in each of Education and Health.

New transport System in Ireland. The equivalent of Dublin Bus and Dart in every county.

Dissolve irish water.

Reduce income tax to 15% and 33% respectively.

Everyone earning 150K + pays a flat rate of 18% on everything.

Capital gains, and capital acquisition tax reduced to 23%.

Reduce vat to 20%

Increase corporation tax to 15% on profits of over 1Million.

Tax on rental income to be 25%. Remove it from income tax completely.

Increase cigarettes to €15 per pack.

Buy all commercial units for sale and rent them out at 60% market rate. Creates business in the local economy and creates jobs.

Increase charitable payments to animal rights groups.

Only a Liverpool fan could buy into something this ridiculous.

Penny Tration · 12-10-2015 10:59pm

Hollister11 wrote: »

Reduce social welfare by half. Saves 9,600,000,000.

Limit children's allowance to people with one irish parent at least. None of this - emigrants have a child here, or other europeans having kids here getting this benefit.

Increasing building in houses. This increases house to solve the homeless problem, and creates jobs in the economy.

Spend another 1.5B in each of Education and Health.

New transport System in Ireland. The equivalent of Dublin Bus and Dart in every county.

Dissolve irish water.

Reduce income tax to 15% and 33% respectively.

Everyone earning 150K + pays a flat rate of 18% on everything.

Capital gains, and capital acquisition tax reduced to 23%.

Reduce vat to 20%

Increase corporation tax to 15% on profits of over 1Million.

Tax on rental income to be 25%. Remove it from income tax completely.

Increase cigarettes to €15 per pack.

Buy all commercial units for sale and rent them out at 60% market rate. Creates business in the local economy and creates jobs.

Increase charitable payments to animal rights groups.

Then spend billions on jails for all the people living in abject poverty, stealing to feed themselves, when their dole is cut by half.

Hollister11 · 12-10-2015 11:02pm

Penny Tration wrote: »

Then spend billions on jails for all the people living in abject poverty, stealing to feed themselves, when their dole is cut by half.

Get a job then. To many people with their cushy lives living on the dole, having kids, not getting married so they can claim loan parents, rent allowance, council house ect, having 4/5/6 kids for the children's allowance.

Absolute wasters. Get a job.

namloc1980 · 12-10-2015 11:03pm

Qualitymark wrote: »

Why do you think the elections are never on a Sunday, unlike other countries? To suppress the student vote, since most students are registered "at home", and can't take the bus to Donegal or Dunamase or Dunquin to vote midweek.

Or they could simply register for a postal vote?!

MilesMorales1 · 12-10-2015 11:03pm

Hollister11 wrote: »

Get a job then. To many people with their cushy lives living on the dole, having kids, not getting married so they can claim loan parents, rent allowance, council house ect, having 4/5/6 kids for the children's allowance.

Absolute wasters. Get a job.

Yes cos it really would be so simple as to cut the dole in half and all those people would magically go out and get jobs, great solution :rolleyes:

Penny Tration · 12-10-2015 11:04pm

Hollister11 wrote: »

Get a job then. To many people with their cushy lives living on the dole, having kids, not getting married so they can claim loan parents, rent allowance, council house ect, having 4/5/6 kids for the children's allowance.

Absolute wasters. Get a job.

Where are all of these mystical jobs?

There are not enough jobs in Ireland for everyone. And its not as simple as "get a job." Long term unemployed will find it extremely difficult to get a job. There are far more people unemployed than there are jobs in Ireland.

You're only young though, so your head is in the clouds a bit.

AMKC · 12-10-2015 11:05pm

Hollister11 wrote: »

Reduce social welfare by half. Saves 9,600,000,000.

Limit children's allowance to people with one irish parent at least. None of this - emigrants have a child here, or other europeans having kids here getting this benefit.

Increasing building in houses. This increases house to solve the homeless problem, and creates jobs in the economy.

Spend another 1.5B in each of Education and Health.

New transport System in Ireland. The equivalent of Dublin Bus and Dart in every county.

Dissolve irish water.

Reduce income tax to 15% and 33% respectively.

Everyone earning 150K + pays a flat rate of 18% on everything.

Capital gains, and capital acquisition tax reduced to 23%.

Reduce vat to 20%

Increase corporation tax to 15% on profits of over 1Million.

Tax on rental income to be 25%. Remove it from income tax completely.

Increase cigarettes to €15 per pack.

Buy all commercial units for sale and rent them out at 60% market rate. Creates business in the local economy and creates jobs.

Increase charitable payments to animal rights groups.

Glad your not the finance minister the country would be in a mess in no time at all. The markets and the people would not like any off that and the country would end up back where it was 5 years ago not able to get any funding and having to be bailed out.

Budget 2016

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