Gardai or Security for Spanish Arch

fishy fishy · 02-07-2012 12:55pm #1

Was down at the Volvo twice over the weekend - very atmospheric and really enjoying it. Plenty of security around the dock area and seems to be very well run.

However walking up through the Spanish Arch from the Docks, through the archway at end of Long Walk, it is full of young teens sitting in groups who are very drunk, loud and intimidating. When I walked up there on the Sat night there must have been about 100 of them in various groups - it was quite scary to be honest walking past them. Did not see any gardai or security there.

I hope this changes - it ruins what is seems to be a well organized event.

Mrs OBumble · 02-07-2012 1:15pm

fishy fishy wrote: »

...through the Spanish Arch from the Docks, through the archway at end of Long Walk

Not a route I'd take at night, VOR or otherwise. Why go looking for trouble, when there are perfectly good alternatives where you're less likely to draw attention to yourself.

YMMV.

snubbleste · 02-07-2012 1:20pm

You can write to the local superintendent and tell them about it. Do mention the fact that you got the idea from a discussion board.

inisboffin · 02-07-2012 1:27pm

If it was 'menacing' there it's also bad PR for the City at one of the major 'tourist attractions' that Galway puts forth. People live there too, and along long walk. I think it would be no harm to have a Guard wandering through on the hour. A chill guard mind, who wouldn't go emptying cans. But yeah, people shouldn't be afraid to walk in that area *right* in the centre of touristdom.

squonk · 02-07-2012 1:31pm

Above all times the arch should be a safe place to walk around this week. There are a lot of new people in the city and the arch is a big landmark and it's also not that far from the pubs at the top of shop street. It's not a big ask that people should be abkle to go for a stroll down that direction if it's a nice evening this week. Fine, let it back to normal next week but it shouldn't be a knacker drinking spot this week.

fishy fishy · 02-07-2012 2:21pm

justmary

don't know if you have actually been down the docks at all for the Volvo, but if you have, you will see that to get to the global village - if you are in the docks, you can walk down, take a right, walk up long walk to the bridge they have put up.

There were hundreds of people walking this way over the weekend - it was an ugly sight to see these teens screaming, not being able to walk, cans strewn all aroun, being loud and obnoxious with their hoodies on - not a pretty sight for tourists, and quite honestly I don't see your point in saying to not look for trouble and find an alternative route - this IS the route to the global village from the docks. Would you say that to all the tourists also??

biko · 02-07-2012 3:29pm

I was down Friday about 8pm, walked the natural route from Jury's across Spanish Arch, under the arch and along the Long Walk.
The amount of shouting drunk kids were unreal.

They were minding their own business mostly but it didn't look nice and I assume old age tourists weren't too impressed.

Shakti · 02-07-2012 4:27pm

In fairness they have been hanging out there for donkeys years with minimal disturbance, as for 'think of the tourists' pity we didn't say have the same enthusiasm for 'think of our young people' when we were saddling them with debt that they will be paying off for the rest of their lives, small wonder they take to the drink. I'd feel safer if the gardaí were patrolling the IFSC.

fishy fishy · 02-07-2012 4:29pm

Shakti wrote: »

In fairness they have been hanging out there for donkeys years with minimal disturbance, as for 'think of the tourists' pity we didn't say have the same enthusiasm for 'think of our young people' when we were saddling them with debt that they will be paying off for the rest of their lives, small wonder they take to the drink. I'd feel safer if the gardaí were patrolling the IFSC.

i have no idea what you are on about shakti. I do know this happens all year, but take a walk down there during the volvo and see what you think. Every tom dick and harry hoodie seems to be there.

Zzippy · 02-07-2012 4:30pm

Shakti wrote: »

In fairness they have been hanging out there for donkeys years with minimal disturbance, as for 'think of the tourists' pity we didn't say have the same enthusiasm for 'think of our young people' when we were saddling them with debt that they will be paying off for the rest of their lives, small wonder they take to the drink. I'd feel safer if the gardaí were patrolling the IFSC.

Ah jaysus, does every small crime or problem have to have someone pop up and say "but what about the politicians/bankers, we've bigger things to worry about"??? :rolleyes:

squonk · 02-07-2012 4:38pm

Shakti wrote: »

In fairness they have been hanging out there for donkeys years with minimal disturbance, as for 'think of the tourists' pity we didn't say have the same enthusiasm for 'think of our young people' when we were saddling them with debt that they will be paying off for the rest of their lives, small wonder they take to the drink. I'd feel safer if the gardaí were patrolling the IFSC.

Nobody is putting a gun to young people's heads forcing them to stay here and pay off this debt as you say. They are quite free to go abroad and have happy fulfilling lives if they wish. Besides, if they have money for drink and plenty of free time, they should be doing something more constructive than knacker drinking under the arch. Anyway this is off topic.

The point is that they would hardly be that put out having to move somewhere else to knacker drink for one week. What do we want? People to come to Galway, have a great time and go home to tell their friends that it was a great spot and much craic was had and that they're going back again and recommending their friends come too, or saying it was nice overall but there were some dodgy looking types in plain view, possibly saying it was OK but they wouldn't be in a hurry back.

biko · 02-07-2012 4:53pm

Lol, we're like the politicians in Atlanta when the Olympics came there and they shipped the homeless out of the city

Shakti · 02-07-2012 4:57pm

fishy fishy wrote: »

i have no idea what you are on about shakti. I do know this happens all year, but take a walk down there during the volvo and see what you think. Every tom dick and harry hoodie seems to be there.

Zzippy wrote: »

Ah jaysus, does every small crime or problem have to have someone pop up and say "but what about the politicians/bankers, we've bigger things to worry about"??? :rolleyes:

squonk wrote: »

Nobody is putting a gun to young people's heads forcing them to stay here and pay off this debt as you say. They are quite free to go abroad and have happy fulfilling lives if they wish. Besides, if they have money for drink and plenty of free time, they should be doing something more constructive than knacker drinking under the arch. Anyway this is off topic.

The point is that they would hardly be that put out having to move somewhere else to knacker drink for one week. What do we want? People to come to Galway, have a great time and go home to tell their friends that it was a great spot and much craic was had and that they're going back again and recommending their friends come too, or saying it was nice overall but there were some dodgy looking types in plain view, possibly saying it was OK but they wouldn't be in a hurry back.

Is that what its come to so 'if you don't like paying off our debt why don't you just f*ck off to oz' I wouldn't take a thousand tourists over one young citizen of Galway but again it's not surprising they do leave here in there hundreds of thousands when you call them knackers* and hoodies etc. and begrudge them even to gather.

*using the terms knacker,knackers and knacker drinking as descriptive terms for a person is dehumanising think of the tourists who might be reading this.

squonk · 02-07-2012 5:20pm

Shakti wrote: »

Is that what its come to so 'if you don't like paying off our debt why don't you just f*ck off to oz' I wouldn't take a thousand tourists over one young citizen of Galway but again it's not surprising they do leave here in there hundreds of thousands when you call them knackers* and hoodies etc. and begrudge them even to gather.

*using the terms knacker,knackers and knacker drinking as descriptive terms for a person is dehumanising think of the tourists who might be reading this.

Well your view of the world would kill off our tourist industry very quickly. It's one natural resource we're lucky to have. We are all stuck with paying off the debt that country has. If young people wish to stay, that's fine and I bear no ill will towards any who wish to leave. If the young people in question have such a problem about the term knacker drinking which is a pretty widely used term, then they are also quite free to drink in a licencened premises or their own home. Drinking in public is an offence after all.

ScumLord · 02-07-2012 5:35pm

fishy fishy wrote: »

There were hundreds of people walking this way over the weekend - it was an ugly sight to see these teens screaming, not being able to walk, cans strewn all aroun, being loud and obnoxious with their hoodies on -

So they aren't actually doing anything wrong other than being young?

If they are making a mess of the place it wouldn't be to hard to convince them to clean up after them by the guards.

hondasam · 02-07-2012 6:24pm

fishy fishy wrote: »

Was down at the Volvo twice over the weekend - very atmospheric and really enjoying it. Plenty of security around the dock area and seems to be very well run.

However walking up through the Spanish Arch from the Docks, through the archway at end of Long Walk, it is full of young teens sitting in groups who are very drunk, loud and intimidating. When I walked up there on the Sat night there must have been about 100 of them in various groups - it was quite scary to be honest walking past them. Did not see any gardai or security there.

I hope this changes - it ruins what is seems to be a well organized event.

Did they say anything to you or you assuming they are all trouble makers?
Not all groups of young people are out to cause trouble or hassle people.

I was in Galway yesterday and there is a high garda presence in the city.

biko · 02-07-2012 6:50pm

Let's keep this on the topic of young people bushing down at the arch.

inisboffin · 02-07-2012 6:52pm

There's no harm a with people having a few cans and craic (dunno if I lived above it though:p). Any sunny day, you'll see this. But there have been a few incidence of people throwing cans and abuse at people and that's not on.
Menacing and craic atmospheres feel very different. A decent Garda will leave people alone if they are *not taking the p*ss*. We shouldn't be afraid to walk down Spanish Arch in the middle of summer because of some bullies.

I have seen a few Gardai around town today, so maybe it will improve it.
And yeah, if ye go bushin' - CLEAN UP after yerselves. Bushin karma!

Mrs OBumble · 02-07-2012 6:57pm

ScumLord wrote: »

So they aren't actually doing anything wrong other than being young?

If they are making a mess of the place it wouldn't be to hard to convince them to clean up after them by the guards.

And drinking in public.

And littering

And being disorderly.

Their behaviour there is no worse that it is elsewhere in the city - but around the arch there are more of them gathered together, so are more menacing to other people - especially those perceived as vulnerable (tourists, old, alone, disabled, etc).

The point of this thread is that the guards don't appear to be moving them along. I guess that this is for the usual reason they aren't moved: if you scatter the pigeons, they may land again somewhere else, where there are no cameras linked to Mill St. So I don't reckon it will change any time soon.

Shakti · 02-07-2012 7:02pm

Compared to the behaviour of the 30-50yr old gropers and chauvinists that regularly fall in and out of The Quays/Spanish Arch Hotel etc. and reaching a zenith of mid-life lechery during race week the behaviour of these young people is exemplary.

swiftman · 02-07-2012 7:11pm

yes we were all young once and most of us did drink when we were under 18.

one rule we had as kids was- never to act the fool after a few drinks or you could get a box from anyone. if your drinking make sure you can handle it otherwise dont drink and p'ss people of

FlashD · 03-07-2012 2:42am

inisboffin wrote: »

There's no harm a with people having a few cans and craic (dunno if I lived above it though:p).
!

According to the law of the land its illegal to drink in public.

This drinking down around the Spanish Arch seems to be becoming a problem over the years and the groups are getting bigger and more intimidating, i'm surprised the Gardai aren't cracking down on it, it's not like they are a million miles away (Mill Street).

inisboffin · 03-07-2012 3:08am

FlashD wrote: »

According to the law of the land its illegal to drink in public.

I'm not disputing that FlashD. We *know* that is regularly let slide in Ireland/Galway when we feel like it (think ALL of Quay St roped off in Race Week - the street is still public...). I am of the opinion that heavy handed policing of this is not the answer. Just as heavy handed abusing of this is not the answer either

Unfortunately moderation is hard to maintain.

Dan_Solo · 03-07-2012 3:55am

FlashD wrote: »

i'm surprised the Gardai aren't cracking down on it, it's not like they are a million miles away (Mill Street).

I'm surprised you're surprised.
Not a million miles away in body, no.

GarIT · 03-07-2012 4:09am

I understand the drinking part of it but what is the op trying to say about hoodies? It was mentioned twice but I don't see the problem with it at all. All of the country's top GAA managers have worn a hoodie at some time.

Fair enough the drinking and atmosphere could be a problem but someone's appearance shouldn't be.

FlashD · 03-07-2012 5:07am

inisboffin wrote: »

I'm not disputing that FlashD. We *know* that is regularly let slide in Ireland/Galway when we feel like it (think ALL of Quay St roped off in Race Week - the street is still public...). I am of the opinion that heavy handed policing of this is not the answer. Just as heavy handed abusing of this is not the answer either

Unfortunately moderation is hard to maintain.

I agree with your points on moderation, the problem is that some members just don't know when to draw the line. They keep pushing the boundaries.

What next? An innocent member of the public getting pushed into the river maybe. At what point does one draw the line and clamp down on this carry on.

Down by the Claddagh and Spanish Arch always had a reputation for the sneaky can or two but openly flaunting it in front of the public is brazen, crossing the line and breaking the law for all to see.

Was there not a similar problem with underage drinking after the Junior Cert last year? With its reputation, how well they know the place to go. This is how problems develop, letting the smaller things slide. Before you know it, the ordinary public start avoiding the area, low lifes move in and you'll have littir and graffitti scrawled everywhere.

KittyeeTrix · 03-07-2012 6:22am

My recently turned 18 year old has been around the Arch with his friends on a few occasions this week but thankfully he doesn't wear a 'hoodie' so musn't be one of those 'hoodlums' some posters keep referring to!!!

I must however remind him not to push any innocent passing-by tourist into the river, just in case he forgets!!

fishy fishy · 03-07-2012 9:06am

ScumLord wrote: »

So they aren't actually doing anything wrong other than being young?

If they are making a mess of the place it wouldn't be to hard to convince them to clean up after them by the guards.

they were actually, and there were no gardai in sight. :roll eyes: hopefully they have moved them on.

biko · 03-07-2012 9:21am

There's a couple things at work here, kids hanging out, drinking and and mingling. And tourists encountering them on Sparch and Long Walk.
We can't stop the kids, they want to hang out and meet their friends but they are an eyesore for the tourists and tbh also for Galwegians.

Just kick them off the Sparch and move them over to Fr Griffin Park.
It's out of the way for most tourists and still central enough they can meet friends.

Doc Ruby · 03-07-2012 10:45am

biko wrote: »

There's a couple things at work here, kids hanging out, drinking and and mingling. And tourists encountering them on Sparch and Long Walk.
We can't stop the kids, they want to hang out and meet their friends but they are an eyesore for the tourists and tbh also for Galwegians.

Just kick them off the Sparch and move them over to Fr Griffin Park.
It's out of the way for most tourists and still central enough they can meet friends.

There's an underlying issue here though - at no stage in anyone's life should it be considered acceptable to binge drink and generally abuse yourself, never mind other people. Its not a part of being young in and of itself, this is a perception that needs to change. Excusing it by talking about the bailouts is cracked in the head. I'm not particularly intimidated by gangs of drunken children, but I do feel saddened that so many young people have been pressured or fallen into such toxic habits.

Moving them along won't do much to fix that problem.

GarIT · 03-07-2012 10:49am

FlashD wrote: »

What next? An innocent member of the public getting pushed into the river maybe. At what point does one draw the line and clamp down on this carry on.

This is how problems develop, letting the smaller things slide. Before you know it, the ordinary public start avoiding the area, low lifes move in and you'll have littir and graffitti scrawled everywhere.

Where did you get that idea from? I've never pushed anyone into a river, I don't think any of my friends have and we don't plan on starting. Its people like you and your attitude that give young people a justified reason anytime they do cause trouble. You really have a poor outlook on todays youth.

Children then low lifes, that's natural pregression right there. You porbally think its the same thing from your posting.

There's lots of worse things compared to hanging around and wearing a hoodie. The other day I saw a grown man wearing socks and sandals, can we ban him too. Banish him to the outside of the city before the tourists begin to laugh at how crazily some Irish adults dress.

I'll ring all my mates and tell them to go and buy stupid colour cardigans that don't match anything without hoods because we are offending old men without any fashion sense as well as the possibility of some tourists.

I've been to most of the big cities this side of Europe and there hasn't been one where I haven't seen young people together.

People with your attitude need to stop trying to alienate young people and maybe then we won't be as scary or ugly to look at to you. If old people stopped trying to harm young people for no reason we wouldn't need to intimidate yous back.

Did you even think that if we were asked politely we might just move?

Were not monsters we're people too so grow up, get some maturity, and start treating us with some respect and you will get it back.

zarquon · 03-07-2012 11:27am

You're saying that if we ask a drunken crowd of teens to politely move they will oblige peaceably without hesitation? If you really expect people to believe that then you could make a living selling magic beans as well.

Also drunken loutish behaviour is not justifiable by any means. If you sincerely think that the atitude of the OP is justifiable enough for the buckfast brigade to get drunk out of their minds and verbally harass people when they are breaking the law by drinking underage anyway then it is a sad indictment on yourself. Also to the other posters whose response is that the economy is fecked and the politicians screwed us so leave the louts alone, GET real. If i shoplift can i blame the politicians? If i get drunk and punch someone, can i blame the atitude of those who adhere to higher social standard as justifiable cause? The drinking culture in Ireland makes us a laughing stock to the world. How many jokes have you heard abroad about the "drunken irish". I know people fall on both sides of the fence but drunken and loutish behaviour is not acceptable or justifiable under any circumstances and any of the posters in this thread that say otherwise are just demonstrating a rather immature atitude to such social problems.

Lapin · 03-07-2012 11:33am

GarIT wrote: »

............. what is the op trying to say about hoodies?.........All of the country's top GAA managers have worn a hoodie at some time.

Not a good comparison. Wearing a hoodie as an item of sportsgear is fine.

The stone throwing fúckers that wear them in my neighbourhood - not so fine.

And like most things (including people enjoying themselves on Spanish Parade), its the actions of the few that screw things up for the vast majority.

biko · 03-07-2012 11:46am

They just want to feel involved

Dan_Solo · 03-07-2012 11:59am

zarquon wrote: »

You're saying that if we ask a drunken crowd of teens to politely move they will oblige peaceably without hesitation? If you really expect people to believe that then you could make a living selling magic beans as well.

I don't see how the fact that a law might be inconvenient for the police to enforce means they are absolved from bothering to do so.
No need to beat a drum about it, but look at the chaos at Eyre Square every weekend and see how many Gardai there are sorting the trouble out.
Like Public Enemy said, I'll call a cab 'cos a cab will come quicker.

GarIT · 03-07-2012 12:06pm

zarquon wrote: »

You're saying that if we ask a drunken crowd of teens to politely move they will oblige peaceably without hesitation? If you really expect people to believe that then you could make a living selling magic beans as well.

Also drunken loutish behaviour is not justifiable by any means. If you sincerely think that the atitude of the OP is justifiable enough for the buckfast brigade to get drunk out of their minds and verbally harass people when they are breaking the law by drinking underage anyway then it is a sad indictment on yourself.

Maybe not without hesitation but there teenagers and its the summer, I can't even get out of bed without hesitation. I have been ask to move many times and have done without a problem. I doubt there is a single person there that wants to cause trouble, they are just out to enjoy the atmosphere and have fun.

Its not just the attitude of the OP its the attitude of people we see everyday. Every single day of my life theres always an old person that looks at me funny or acts scared walking by me for absolutely no reason. I have never been an any trouble in my life. I recently got an award for never being corrected by a teacher in 6 years in my school and the only time I was even in a garda station was to get my passport form stamped. Yet I see old people the look terrified to walk by because I am sitting on a wall. Ive seen people cross the road to avoid me, why because im younger than them? I really don't get it. If people exagerate things so much of course young people will take advantage of it. A few of my mates (luckily I wasn't) were in a paper in a report saying about how we terrorise people on their way to do their shopping, we used to sit on the gap in the wall at the entrance to a shoppinc center car park and they go and say we terrorise people, that attitude is what causes retalation. A while ago someone stopped and shouted at us for going quite when they walk by, apparently we were talking about them, there are just so many paranoid adults and old people around that warrant the treatment thats beginning because it wasn't possible at all that we might have been talking about something we didnt want you to hear, but that automatically translates to talking about you and planning to attack you, what planet are some people on.

Maybe some young people have caused trouble but the rest wont if you actually show them some respect and stop lumping them in with the same group. They wear the same clothes so they must behave the same, stunning logic there.

fishy fishy · 03-07-2012 12:13pm

you are quite defensive there gharit.

I am posting on what I saw down at the spanish arch on saturday night. I don't know if you were part of the young hoodie brigade there that night, but they were intimidating, drunk, loud and obnoxious.

It is those people who should have a bit of respect for passers by.

Yes, we know people drink at the spanish arch all the time - its not about that - its about the pockets of underage drunk louts that were there on saturday night

You may think it is okay but from your last post you seem to think that people should go around "respecting" you.

Maybe you should try and give the same respect to others. Yes people are afraid of groups of young men congregating, especially when they are loaded up on buck fast. Its a fact.

GarIT · 03-07-2012 12:16pm

Lapin wrote: »

Not a good comparison. Wearing a hoodie as an item of sportsgear is fine.

The stone throwing fúckers that wear them in my neighbourhood - not so fine.

And like most things (including people enjoying themselves on Spanish Parade), its the actions of the few that screw things up for the vast majority.

I wear a hoodies everyday because its comfortable. You can't blame everyone for the actons of a small few people. Wearing a hoodie doesn't mean you will cause trouble.

If there are a few people causing trouble deal with them individually instead of blaming everyone and just causing anger amongst young people.

Your logic says someone wearing a hoodie is automatically going to cause trouble. All young people could adopt your logic and say that someone thats a catholic is automically going to try to rape them. There is a higher percentage of priests that rape children than there is children wearing hoodies that cause trouble.

I think the fact that there are more paedophile preists per capita in Ireland than any other country in the world would do more damage to tourism than children that like to wear hoodies.

zarquon · 03-07-2012 12:23pm

GarIT wrote: »

. There is a higher percentage of priests that rape children than there is children wearing hoodies that cause trouble.

I think the fact that there are more paedophile preists per capita in Ireland than any other country in the world would do more damage to tourism than children that like to wear hoodies.

Amazing statistics there. Can you please supply the reports and figures you used for your analysis or could it be that you are stating your opinion as statistical fact? I don't need to do too much analysis on your assertion that there are more paedophile priests that troublesome teens in Ireland, anyone with a bit of sense between their ears knows the reality of your statement there. :rolleyes:

fishy fishy · 03-07-2012 12:25pm

GarIT wrote: »

I wear a hoodies everyday because its comfortable. You can't blame everyone for the actons of a small few people. Wearing a hoodie doesn't mean you will cause trouble.

If there are a few people causing trouble deal with them individually instead of blaming everyone and just causing anger amongst young people.

Your logic says someone wearing a hoodie is automatically going to cause trouble. All young people could adopt your logic and say that someone thats a catholic is automically going to try to rape them. There is a higher percentage of priests that rape children than there is children wearing hoodies that cause trouble.

I think the fact that there are more paedophile preists per capita in Ireland than any other country in the world would do more damage to tourism than children that like to wear hoodies.

garit - there are people wearing hoodies all over the world. However its the ones that gather in small groups, drunk, intimidating, and up to no good that people have a problem with. Can you not understand this? If not, ask you granny would she walk past a group of young hoodlums with alcohol bottles gathered at an entrance to a walkway.

GarIT · 03-07-2012 12:34pm

fishy fishy wrote: »

you are quite defensive there gharit.

I am posting on what I saw down at the spanish arch on saturday night. I don't know if you were part of the young hoodie brigade there that night, but they were intimidating, drunk, loud and obnoxious.

It is those people who should have a bit of respect for passers by.

Yes, we know people drink at the spanish arch all the time - its not about that - its about the pockets of underage drunk louts that were there on saturday night

You may think it is okay but from your last post you seem to think that people should go around "respecting" you.

Maybe you should try and give the same respect to others. Yes people are afraid of groups of young men congregating, especially when they are loaded up on buck fast. Its a fact.

I wasn't there but I am defending young people in general and making a point of the descrimination I face every day by adults.

Were you personally hurt in any way by any young person on that night? I doubt it, you are just making a fuss over nothing. Loud people, is that really a problem, were they in a library?

I don't agree with drinking in public and I don't do it but I am still bullied by adults everyday just for hanging around and minding my own business. I've been harrassed by many adults for no reason at all because of a steriotpe they decide to hold.

I have seen many adults that are both intimidating and obnoxious without me even doing anything.

Why should I respect someone who stares at me for no reason at all. Young people have equal rights to every adult, I've never caused anyone any harm yet some adults think they can bully us for fun. I've never caused any trouble to anyone walking by, what more do you want before the abuse stops?

fishy fishy · 03-07-2012 12:41pm

older people would have problems with young lads hanging around in groups on street corners, being obnoxious, loud and intimidating. You may not think you are but you don't seem to try and understand how older people might see you.

Still, as I say, ask your granny - see what her answers are, and work on that. You may see the other side of the story then.

GarIT · 03-07-2012 12:42pm

zarquon wrote: »

Amazing statistics there. Can you please supply the reports and figures you used for your analysis or could it be that you are stating your opinion as statistical fact? I don't need to do too much analysis on your assertion that there are more paedophile priests that troublesome teens in Ireland, anyone with a bit of sense between their ears knows the reality of your statement there. :rolleyes:

There is as much fast there as in everyone elses posts. Think about it though, There are 1.2 million young people in Ireland, maybe once a year you will hear about young people actually causing noteworthy trouble. The number of priests is in the thousands yet you hear about them at least weekly.

GarIT · 03-07-2012 12:45pm

fishy fishy wrote: »

garit - there are people wearing hoodies all over the world. However its the ones that gather in small groups, drunk, intimidating, and up to no good that people have a problem with. Can you not understand this? If not, ask you granny would she walk past a group of young hoodlums with alcohol bottles gathered at an entrance to a walkway.

Its always the small groups you pick on isnt it :rolleyes:

How were they intimidating? Did they even look at you? I doubt they cared that you were there at all.

Can you answer my question about if they did anything to you in any way?

She actually would, she is an exception though because I have talked to her before about the abuse young people face and the descrimination by the elderly. We might behave differently to the way you did, we still dont cause any more ham than kids did in the 60's.

fishy fishy · 03-07-2012 12:47pm

GarIT wrote: »

Its always the small groups you pick on isnt it :rolleyes:

How were they intimidating? Did they even look at you? I doubt they cared that you were there at all.

Can you answer my question about if they did anything to you in any way?

She actually would, she is an exception though because I have talked to her before about the abuse young people face and the descrimination by the elderly. We might behave differently to the way you did, we still dont cause any more ham than kids did in the 60's.

oh please grow up a little

GarIT · 03-07-2012 12:47pm

fishy fishy wrote: »

older people would have problems with young lads hanging around in groups on street corners, being obnoxious, loud and intimidating. You may not think you are but you don't seem to try and understand how older people might see you.

Still, as I say, ask your granny - see what her answers are, and work on that. You may see the other side of the story then.

What way would they see me, what do you want me to do, hide inside for my life because you don't want to look at me, and you think other people are obnoxious?

GarIT · 03-07-2012 12:49pm

fishy fishy wrote: »

oh please grow up a little

Grow up? What have I said that was childish, answer my posts and actually stand up for your arguement? You just answer what you want to and then hide from the rest.

Did anyone harm you in any way?

Nobody did anything to you, they didn't even look at you, your point is completely invalad, you are just steriotyping and descriminating against young people who you do not know and who have cause you no harm. Yet you tell me to grow up?

GarIT · 03-07-2012 12:55pm

If you actually think you have any point to make tell me how young people are intimidating? Why do they scare you? What are they going to do to you?

Do you have any idea how hurtful it is to be called all sorts of names by adults when you are just minding your own business?

If its ok to call me things like a hoodie, a hodlum and a lout why don't I start, you are a crank, you are looking for something to complain about, and you are a descriminative hyprocrite. If you have a problem with any of those names I can prove it factually so theres no problem there. You know why im resorting to this, because im getting really frustrated with how you are descriminating against me, this is why things young people do are justified.

Mrs OBumble · 03-07-2012 1:31pm

GarIT wrote: »

If you actually think you have any point to make tell me how young people are intimidating? Why do they scare you? What are they going to do to you?

Do you have any idea how hurtful it is to be called all sorts of names by adults when you are just minding your own business?

If its ok to call me things like a hoodie, a hodlum and a lout why don't I start, you are a crank, you are looking for something to complain about, and you are a descriminative hyprocrite. If you have a problem with any of those names I can prove it factually so theres no problem there. You know why im resorting to this, because im getting really frustrated with how you are descriminating against me, this is why things young people do are justified.

GarIT, you said in an earlier post that you don't drink in public.

So how do you have any personal experience of the behaviour of young people at the arch? Trust me, the lads who hang out there at night are not just "hanging out", they are there to drink and it's the alcohol-fueled behaviour that people have a problem with, not the clothing.

The hoodie is a perfectly innocent garment (I even have one myself) but it's associated with street-drinking-youths because the hood is a good way of making sure that people and security cameras can't recognise you so easily. That is why we old people are wary of people wearing hoodies - we know that anyone who is trying to hide their face is up to no good.

GarIT · 03-07-2012 1:37pm

JustMary wrote: »

GarIT, you said in an earlier post that you don't drink in public.

So how do you have any personal experience of the behaviour of young people at the arch? Trust me, the lads who hang out there at night are not just "hanging out", they are there to drink and it's the alcohol-fueled behaviour that people have a problem with, not the clothing.

The hoodie is a perfectly innocent garment (I even have one myself) but it's associated with street-drinking-youths because the hood is a good way of making sure that people and security cameras can't recognise you so easily. That is why we old people are wary of people wearing hoodies - we know that anyone who is trying to hide their face is up to no good.

I don't really, I haven't been to Galway in 5 years. Im just aware of the abuse we get at home so I know what its like, I was out on Euro cup nights so I was around similar things going on. Paddys day is another example of when ive been with people drinking outside. Adults give us abuse at any time though, even when we dont drink. These people cause the OP no harm, nor did they cause anyone any harm. He is just looking for more reasons to descriminate.

I know the hoodie isnt the problem, but the OP claimed that it was and that is what I was picking up on.

Shakti · 03-07-2012 1:43pm

Gardai or Security for Spanish Arch

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