Multicultural schools and EAL

brónaim cád?? · 22-04-2014 9:49pm #1

Hello all,

I'll be moving back to Ireland in the summer and will be looking for a primary job. I've been away for a number of years and have predominately been in schools with a high proportion of EAL learners and have had a very high percentage of migrant families. This is something that I really enjoy. I am most likely going to be looking for work in Dublin. Could anyone give me areas that I am likely to find these schools? I don't want to work in a school where all the families come from tradition irish home.

Thank you for reading.

byhookorbycrook · 22-04-2014 9:54pm

Very few schools anywhere in Ireland have families that now come from "traditional Irish "backgrounds.

byhookorbycrook · 22-04-2014 9:57pm

Mind you. don't expect there to an proper EAL provision wherever you are.

brónaim cád?? · 22-04-2014 9:57pm

I'm not sure about that. My niceses and nephews schools are and I would say so too are the majority in rural Ireland.

evolving_doors · 22-04-2014 10:01pm

Dublin 15 has the highest proportion of "insert politically correct term" children.

brónaim cád?? · 22-04-2014 10:07pm

Thank you, I'll have a look at Dublin 15!

Midnight Sundance · 23-04-2014 12:10am

What about the Muslim school on the Navan road in Dublin. Plenty of "EAL" students there.
I don't know if Jobs are as plentiful as to be able to pick a school to work in though, lots of competition for positions at the moment so you might be lucky to get a school with Traditional irish families in it.

brónaim cád?? · 23-04-2014 6:54am

I understand that. Obviously I wouldn't refuse a job if offered, I was just talking about my preference.

byhookorbycrook · 23-04-2014 6:28pm

Dublin will be subject to panel rules like alll places, but with the cuts in EAL/SEN there will be a large no. on the panel. It won't be easy to get even subbing there .Don't mean to be bleak, just honest.

brónaim cád?? · 23-04-2014 8:02pm

I have heard a variety of comments regarding subbing in Ireland, many have said that there is a total lack of any jobs where also the same number have said things have totally picked up and subbing jobs are no problem to find! I honestly have no idea how a panel works.

Moody_mona · 23-04-2014 8:15pm

It's not a subbing panel. "The" panel is a list of teachers who have built up three years temporary service or equivalent. These teachers must be offered permanent jobs before they are advertised. Permanent jobs cannot be filled until these teachers have jobs. Temporary jobs may also be held for these teachers, which means they can't be advertised until the panel is empty. In essence, it makes applying for primary jobs limiting, and you may need to rely on subbing. ,

byhookorbycrook · 23-04-2014 8:16pm

The panel means, put VERY simplistically, that if a teacher loses a job due to numbers in the school going down , SEN/EAL cuts etc. that teacher is put on a redeployment panel.Those teachers must be offered any vacancy in a certain radius, before the job can be opened to anyone NOT on the panel. Different groups have different panels, so the Catholic diocese would have one for their schools, COI another and ET another and so on. There are two jobs, yes JUST two on educationposts for Dublin at present.

brónaim cád?? · 23-04-2014 8:27pm

That seems almost communist. Why should someone be offered a job just because they have been waiting three years? Obviously the most capable candidate should be offered the job.

byhookorbycrook · 23-04-2014 11:22pm

brónaim cád?? wrote: »

That seems almost communist. Why should someone be offered a job just because they have been waiting three years? Obviously the most capable candidate should be offered the job.

This is why at one time, panels took a while to clear, as schools tried to wait out the panel to fill the gap with their preferred candidate,now at least , the playing field is slightly more level for everyone.

implausible · 24-04-2014 1:23pm

Midnight Sundance wrote: »

I don't know if Jobs are like hen's teeth as plentiful as to be able to pick a school to work in though, lots of competition for positions at the moment so you might be lucky to get a school with Traditional irish families in it.

FYP

brónaim cád?? · 26-04-2014 2:04pm

Again, I know this. I was just inquiring.

implausible · 26-04-2014 10:39pm

Sorry, if I appeared to be hammering home the point, but I don't know if there was ever a time when you could chose what school you worked in.

To be more constructive I'd offer the following advice:

Apply for every job going.
Do a CV drop, in person, in as many schools as you can, try to get speaking to the principal, emphasise your experience and that you are available at short notice for subbing.
Sign up to text-a-sub to improve your chances of getting a few days and be willing to travel to do subbing.
Brush up on your Irish in case of interviews.

Multicultural schools and EAL

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