Turksat 1C

mjsmyth · 11-12-2005 7:10pm #1

Not entirely sure if this is allowed....
Anyway, on Turksat 1c 42e, on channel TV8, you could have watched Man Utd v Everton today.

Apart from the commentary being in Turkish, it was perfect (apart form the result).

I use a 80cm dish and quality and strength were excellent. I know it is a bit late, but hey, there is more premiership next week, maybe it will also be on FTA.

MJ

DMC · 11-12-2005 7:24pm

Of course this is allowed... as this channel is FTA.

Yes, TV8 is FTA, and it has Premiership games.

http://knplogic.com/sport/index.html for all your needs.

Mossy Monk · 11-12-2005 7:59pm

mjsmyth wrote:

Not entirely sure if this is allowed....
Anyway, on Turksat 1c 42e, on channel TV8, you could have watched Man Utd v Everton today.

Apart from the commentary being in Turkish, it was perfect (apart form the result).

I use a 80cm dish and quality and strength were excellent. I know it is a bit late, but hey, there is more premiership next week, maybe it will also be on FTA.

MJ

tbh they have been showing games for a long time but it is handy

wolfe25 · 11-12-2005 8:28pm

mjsmyth wrote:

I use a 80cm dish and quality and strength were excellent. I know it is a bit late, but hey, there is more premiership next week, maybe it will also be on FTA.

MJ

Also showing live Spurs/P'mouth tomorrow evening and Man U/Wigan on wed..
See here for further fixtures: http://knplogic.com/sport/index.html
Can't see SKY been too happy with this continuing.
As you say it can be picked up easily with an 80cm dish.:D

Ulsterman 1690 · 11-12-2005 9:35pm

Can't see SKY been too happy with this continuing

1) Let them eat cake
2) As long as its only really available to enthusiasts with motorised/multi-LNB systems I cant see them losing much sleep over it

Lets face it for your average punter satellite = $ky and for the forseeable future thats the way it will be

watty · 11-12-2005 9:37pm

Bucket loads of channels at 42E very strong.
Watched Zorba the Greek in English with Turkish subtitles one night. (Turks laughing at Greeks or massochism?)

watty · 11-12-2005 9:38pm

They had Discovery Turkey with English under the French Audio setting for weeks an d then it switched to East beam.

mjsmyth · 11-12-2005 11:11pm

Hi Watty,
I went to Lyngsat and took a look at 42e, there are a huge amount of transponders, I'm too lazy to add them all in. any idea which channels I should bother with?

Thanks,
MJ

watty · 12-12-2005 12:58am

Depends what you are interested in.

But if your box has a Network transponder search, one or two of the right one will give nearly the whole list. I'll check which it is tomorrow.

Waht are you interested in?

There is Sport, Pop Music (Our own Corrs featured on one channel!), and lots of incomprehensible programs unless you have Turkish.

Some feeds.

Someties movies with English

mjsmyth · 12-12-2005 10:52am

Hi Watty,
I would mainly be interested in sport, Football, Motor sport..... If there was a decent movie channel too that would be great

MJ

recyclebin · 13-12-2005 5:35pm

whats the angle of elevation for this satellite because my edision reciever says its below the horizon but a different website (with elevation calculator) says its about 15 degrees. I want to have it set up for the man utd match tomorrow.

Zaphod · 13-12-2005 6:53pm

14-15 degrees is right.

watty · 13-12-2005 6:58pm

According to free download from www.smw.se
15 deg elevation
123.5 deg Azimuth
For 42E

This is for Limerickish (52N, 8W). It depends where you are. You need to but your own location into any calculation program

The signal is fairly strong.

As long as nothing is in the way of LOS (line of Sight), down to 10 degrees elevation works. Below that the "Earth" thermal noise and manmade noise is too high. Unless you are on a mountain peak in middle of nowhere.

mjsmyth · 13-12-2005 8:45pm

I would love to offer som info on elevation/inclination, but all I did was set my dish up to pick up astra 2, then let the motor handle everything else..........

All I know is that when I am watching Turksat, my dish is at one hell of an angle!

MJ

Mossy Monk · 13-12-2005 9:23pm

when i was watching that sat it looked like it pointing into the ground

watty · 13-12-2005 10:47pm

Because of the offset feed (if you like a chunk cut out of top part of a larger "vrirtual" dish), the dish appear to stand vertical when elevation is nearly 25 degrees.

The further west in Ireland the lower the elevation! It would look less scary in Wexford than Arrann!

mjsmyth · 14-12-2005 12:34pm

I must take a pic of my dish pointing at 42e and post it here.......

Zaphod · 14-12-2005 12:42pm

watty · 14-12-2005 8:16pm

A picture worth 1024 words. Are you joining the Editors, Zaphod? PM me

Supercell · 14-12-2005 8:34pm

Zaphod wrote:

Thats excellant, never thought of it that way..explains actually a couple of problems I couldnt explain on certain sats that i thought had perfect line of sight!

mjsmyth · 14-12-2005 11:04pm

Kinda linked to my original post....
So it was Man Utd v Wigan tonight, excellent pic and so on.... I figured I would try to get 5 live on the web, no dice, they can't broadcast tonights game for some reason.

I tune it in on the stereo, not too bad, but fades in and out too much for my liking.

Anyone know of an internal qulaity AM aerial? Does such a thing exist?

Thanks,
MJ

watty · 15-12-2005 12:22am

Yes.

wind about ten turns of any kind of wire (fine insulated bell wire iis OK) on an old picture frame. (In the 1930s they sold actual aerials disguised as pictures).

Connect to aerial and earth of Radio AM contacts.

If you want aerial in attic to reduce noise, use TV coax.

If the radio has no external aerial connections do this:

Make sure unplugged.

Wind about 5 turns wire around blank part of internal ferrite aerial. It is the dark grey rod with eithe one coil (MW only radio) or one at each end (MW + LW). It is usually standing parallel to the radio circuit board on a palstic pillar. Roughtly about thickness of pencil to small finger. On cheap radio may be 1/8" (3mm) by 1/2" (12mm) rectangular cross-section or round, and only about 2" (5cm) long. On better radios it is thicker and up to 4" (100mm) long.

Connect the two ends outside the case to your homemade aerial with screw terminal block.

Mount aerial vertically and rotate either for least interference or max signal, which ever sounds better.

DMC · 15-12-2005 9:31am

5 Live online have UK-only web rights to the Premiership.

A second digibox/FTA reciever hooked up to an amp would help here (even a Sky Gnome!), so you can receive 5 Live, but I'm thinking the delay in commentary could be more than a couple of seconds. (ie 5 Live ahead of TV8)

mjsmyth · 15-12-2005 9:51am

I can cope with the second or so delay that seems to be there, granted my turkish is getting better

Watty, I will give that a try at the weekend, my stereo/hifi/whateher they are called these days, does indeed have an external am aerial connection. Thanks for the info.

MJ

kkennedy · 15-12-2005 11:08am

What would the minimum size dish required? I have the Lidl setup, 57cm dish, but cannot get a signal at all. The LNB has 'universal' written on it. Does this mean it will receive KU Band?
Thanks
K

Pal · 15-12-2005 11:46am

depends on your location.

80cm minimum.

Pal · 15-12-2005 11:47am

http://www.delayplayradio.com/
should do the trick.

Ronan|Raven · 15-12-2005 11:49am

Be forewarned about TV8 not all the games are FTA, they usually switch in BISS during the saturday 3pm games.

mjsmyth · 15-12-2005 1:34pm

Hi Ronan, thats what I thought, the last time I tried to watch games (sept) they were encrypted, but..

Saturday - Man Utd v Everton was FTA
Monday - Spurs v Portsmouth was FTA (delayed by about 30min)
Wednesday - Man Utd v Wigan - FTA

Obviously this is great, if they start encoding in biss again, well so be it, but I will take what I can get at the moment.

By the way, just what the hell is Biss????

MJ

Pal · 15-12-2005 1:36pm

mjsmyth wrote:

By the way, just what the hell is Biss????

MJ

can't tell you

only kidding.

it's an encryption system.

mjsmyth · 15-12-2005 3:19pm

hehe, I knew it was, but I was wondering how something could be FTA (BISS) as reported on LJ's Football site.

MJ

Ronan|Raven · 15-12-2005 5:46pm

usually on LJ'S when they list it as that it means usually FTA but they do also encrypt it as well in the (insert encryption name here).

Here is a link to a pdf explaining it in more detail. www.scientificatlanta.com/products/customers/white-papers/BISS.pdf

mjsmyth · 15-12-2005 8:41pm

Thanks,

MJ

recyclebin · 16-12-2005 12:15am

I watched the man utd versus wigan last night on TV8 with the commentary from dublins newstalk106 on the radio.The commentary was only about half a second ahead of the play. It sure beats payin over $50 per month for sky sports. Now hopefully the man u match and the chelsea v arsenal will be fta this weekend.

watty · 16-12-2005 12:27am

You can delay audio by feeding it through an Audio DSP program on the PC.

Listem on PC Speakers.

Free Sw is available.

mjsmyth · 16-12-2005 10:32am

thanks Watty, as it happens, I have a PC under the telly! Mr. bin, thanks for the tip on Newstalk, do they always have midweek soccer on their show? If so, does it always match the live game on sky?

Thanks,
MJ

recyclebin · 16-12-2005 4:10pm

Im not sure about newstalk schedule but their match commentary is the exact same as if you tuned into bbc5 live. You will often here the commentators on newstalk say "welcome to the game here tonight live on five"

Capt'n Midnight · 16-12-2005 4:15pm

Red Line points at Satellite

Normal Dish
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This way if you want to hide it behind balcony or reduce wind loading,
but you have more problems with rain.
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This is one way of using an offset dish for horizontal signals for WiFi etc.

Disk positioning
http://www.al-soft.com/saa/satinfo.shtml - sat alignment calculation program ( haven't tried it)

http://www.doom9.org/DigiTV/dbox-positioning.htm - a motor gives you a semi-circular arc, but because we are not at the earths centre the satelites aren't on this arc - comparison of the arc's

http://www.adventistsat.com/technical-corner-1.asp - US site but some useful info on DIY install grounding, drip loop and installing a pole

wolfe25 · 16-12-2005 6:10pm

Nice bits of info there, Cap'n, thanks.
Oh and the installation for a balcony could also double for a bird bath. nice.

Zaphod · 16-12-2005 6:35pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

http://www.doom9.org/DigiTV/dbox-positioning.htm - a motor gives you a semi-circular arc, but because we are not at the earths centre the satelites aren't on this arc - comparison of the arc's

That's likely the result of an incorrect declination angle and has more to do with the curvature of the earth and latitudinal location, than distance from earth's core.

The fact that we live on the earth's crust, rather than in the core, means that sats appear further apart than they are e.g. Hotbird and Astra 1x appear further apart than 3 degrees.

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