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Gilmores facade is showing cracks

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  • #52
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    How many of labours lleaders have preached the Gospel of Socialism but have belonged to that most exclusve and lucrative of Capitalist institutions the Bar ? (Four Courts)


  • #53
    Hazlittle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭Hazlittle


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    You mean apart from France, Italy, Japan, Norway etc.

    Are they not all ran by private business and the state just insures them? Besides Dutch healthcare is still better than all of them.


  • #54
    thebaldsoprano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭thebaldsoprano


    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    I've said this before and I'll say it again. Labour advocates cuts in public sector pay. We are in a mess, created by Fianna Fail. In a few years time, when the mess has been sorted, that is when we will reverse the public sector pay cuts, when we can pay. That wont be for a while, but temporary cuts are what we advocate with a reversal after stable, sustainable, economic growth.

    That could very well be read a vote buying attempt aimed at both public and private sector. Some public servants undoubtedly deserve the pre cutback level of pay and more, but a blanket reversal of these cuts will just add to the tax/debt burden and hinder job creation.

    In any case, have you got the text of the reversal motion handy so we can form our own opinion?


  • #55
    danman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 583 ✭✭✭danman


    Did I hear on the radio this morning, that Eamon Gilmore had plagerised an entire Dial speech from a post on a discussion forum?

    I'll try to find a link.


  • #56
    Sulmac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    danman wrote: »
    Did I hear on the radio this morning, that Eamon Gilmore had plagerised an entire Dial speech from a post on a discussion forum?

    I'll try to find a link.

    It was reported in the *shudder* "Irish" Daily Mail - link.


  • #57
    danman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 583 ✭✭✭danman


    Sulmac wrote: »
    It was reported in the *shudder* "Irish" Daily Mail - link.

    Ahh, to be taken with a pinch of salt then.
    I didn't hear what paper had reported it, I wasn't even sure if I heard it right.


  • #58
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    At least Gilmore & Co are taking thier material from the Communist Manifesto anymore !


  • #59
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #60
    Hazlittle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭Hazlittle


    danman wrote: »
    Ahh, to be taken with a pinch of salt then.
    I didn't hear what paper had reported it, I wasn't even sure if I heard it right.

    Copied from P.ie according to P.ie

    If you're not aware of it its a political discussion forum for people that dont know a thing about politics.


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  • #61
    Breezer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    It makes no odds that it is 10 years old.
    You are joking, right? It makes no difference that a policy on healthcare is ten years out of date? Have you any idea how much can happen in the field of healthcare in ten years? Would you be happy if a government's communications policy was ten years out of date? "We will endeavour to put in place a national ISDN line infrastructure."
    Particularly when Fine Gael have copied it word for word almost.
    Well I have no idea whether they have or not since I can't see said ten year old policy.
    The main difference between Labour's health proposals and Fine Gael is that Labour will not close any hospitals or hand them over to private interests.
    That's a fairly significant difference, requiring a completely different model of funding.
    Fair Care advocates the Dutch model which has no state run hospitals, only private, for profit hospitals.
    A model which has worked very well.
    health is a human right
    I agree.
    and should be provided for by the state
    Why?
    big business that will skimp on healthcare provisions to extend profit-margins.
    No, they won't, because in a "money follows the patient" system that would result in patient (i.e. consumer) dissatisfaction and a loss of profit to competitors. What you have described is how our wonderful state-run system currently operates.

    I'm not opposed to a state-sponsored one-tier health system per se, but I look at every single state-run project in this country and I see delays, projects running overbudget, unions holding up what could actually be a decent service, or projects falling apart due to the State's inability to maintain them. It's time for a new approach. Which Gilmore doesn't have - he doesn't have any approach, other than this ten year old document that doesn't feature on his party's policy page.


  • #62
    Bob Z
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,587 ✭✭✭Bob Z


    Hazlittle wrote: »
    Copied from P.ie according to P.ie

    If you're not aware of it its a political discussion forum for people that dont know a thing about politics.


    Well if they don't know anything why are political leaders copying them?


  • #63
    Breezer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    Gilmore does not want to interfere in the democratic action of the union movement. It is not ethical or right to tell people how to vote.
    Oh come off it Pride Fighter. Why, then, did Labour support the Lisbon Treaty and tell people to vote yes to it? Then why did they do it again (even though Gilmore had previously said they wouldn't, incidentally)? A political party is supposed to take a stance on political issues. People who agree with the stance vote for that party. That's called democracy.

    Gilmore is simply fudging this issue. I (and a lot of people on this thread) would have a lot more respect for him if he took a side and stuck to it, even if it was the opposite side to the one I took.


  • #64
    Hazlittle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭Hazlittle


    Bob Z wrote: »
    Well if they don't know anything why are political leaders copying them?

    I dont have great faith in our political leaders either.


  • #65
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #66
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Ah credit where credit is due. Quinn may not have caused the upswing of the 90's but his policies didn't hinder it, but promoted and protected it.


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  • #67
    scr123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭scr123


    A puzzle from the 1994/97 government that was never eesolved for me.
    The outgoing MOF forecast a Budget surplus of £300 and the incoming MOF forecast a deficit of £300. Have wondered a number of times over the years where the hell that £600 went.
    The present day facade of Gilmore is pale looking compared to the facade of one Mr Quinn


  • #68
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Ah credit where credit is due. Quinn may not have caused the upswing of the 90's but his policies didn't hinder it, but promoted and protected it.

    to be fair its not exactly hard to do when the upswing is already in place.


  • #69
    Bob Z
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,587 ✭✭✭Bob Z


    aDeener wrote: »
    to be fair its not exactly hard to do when the upswing is already in place.

    yes you would think that wouldn't you


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