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Brady urged to ban Anti Lisbon campaigh Newspaper from the Catholic Churches.

  • 11-11-2008 12:22am
    #1
    fumpidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭


    Brady urged to ban the "Alive" Catholic newspaper from the churches in the wake of its NO stance over the Lisbon treaty. In the run up to the Lisbon treaty this paper was predominantly supportive of the no campaign unlike the Catholic Catholic which was Yes supportive.

    A right-wing Catholic newspaper which said a Lisbon Treaty No vote was a vote for God, should have been banned from churches, politicians have claimed.

    This bears all the hallmarks of the type media censorship associated with Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union. I would suspect that this pressure to try to ban anti Lisbon media is coming directly from the EU commissioners.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/brady-urged-to-ban-priests-antieu-paper-from-church-1524181.html

    This is the sort of anti Lisbon content that politicians want ommitted from all future publications.
    http://www.alive.ie/archives/Alive!%20June%2008.pdf


Comments

  • #2
    delta_bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    Cardinal Séan Brady is not the government.


  • #3
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Sign of things to come... Wait - they have arrived!
    Run_To_Da_Hills will have a field day with this thread too!


  • #4
    fumpidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭fumpidge


    delta_bravo wrote: »
    Cardinal Séan Brady is not the government.
    Edited.


  • #5
    RichMc70
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭RichMc70


    Long live.....free speech and democracy ........................

    unless of course, you live in Ireland :D


  • #6
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    fumpidge wrote: »
    A right-wing Catholic newspaper which said a Lisbon Treaty No vote was a vote for God

    In fairness, anyone who makes up their mind how to vote on anything based on a statement like that should have their vote taken away from them.


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  • #7
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Well, it is the Church and they are up against the Masonic Lodges that are trying through their hidden secret branches, to bring in a new world order...

    but relax, go to bed tonight.
    The good news is that Mary Harney will still be there in the morning to take over from Cowan, to run the Irish country.

    ...so there should be nothing to worry about.

    Sleep easy. :D


  • #8
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    Agree, it's the Freemasons...


  • #9
    delta_bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    If you were looking for serious discussion you should ask to move this to the christianity forum.


  • #10
    delta_bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    Darragh29 wrote: »
    There was another identical thead recently by another poster on the exact same type of car being stolen. Is there any chance these type of cars are being stolen for parts???

    Stealing cars for parts and censoring the media, Cardinal Brady is a maverick who plays by his own rules :) Wrong thread i think mate


  • #11
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    I've recieved this paper in the door several times. I don't see what the big deal is, if people don't want to see it, don't read it or pick it up. (I voted yes to Lisbon, so I disagree with them on that issue)


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  • #12
    themont85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭themont85


    God damn Lisbon Treaty, why couldn't it have been just voted in the first time. Its more annoying than hearing about the ****ing recession these days.

    My thoughts of Lisbon 1 year ago- Sunnier climate and a capital i might visit
    Now-A place i never ever want to go to for fear of been reminded of any of the hocus pocus lunatics in this country.


  • #13
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    :)


  • #14
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    :)


    :eek:


  • #15
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    I am not at all religious. However I believe the athiesm forum here is a bigger joke than Fred Phelps. Few of them see the irony in having an almost religious devotion to the belief of no god. The fact that their life nearly seems to be dominated by the hatred of religious belief is in itself nearly a religion.


    But aside from all that, Alive is some right wing lunacy of the highest order. Who bankrolls it?


  • #16
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Biggins wrote: »
    :eek:
    Posted already in the News & Media forum.

    Just give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves. :D


  • #17
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Posted already in the News & Media forum.

    Just give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves. :D

    It's too easy ain't it! :D


  • #18
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Jakkass wrote: »
    I've recieved this paper in the door several times. I don't see what the big deal is, if people don't want to see it, don't read it or pick it up. (I voted yes to Lisbon, so I disagree with them on that issue)

    The problem is there is still a sizable amount of (admittedly elderly, bu they are notoriously good for turnout numbers) people who believe the church is the shining light of al things good and that it would never lead them down the wrong path. This results in them blindly following things that appear to be the voice of the church.


  • #19
    Dudess
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    Alive! is awesome! I'd be sorry if it stopped publishing as it gives me some intense lulz every month! :)


  • #20
    monkeyfudge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    I must have missed the episode of Primetime when God came out on the no side.


  • #21
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    I am not at all religious. However I believe the athiesm forum here is a bigger joke than Fred Phelps. Few of them see the irony in having an almost religious devotion to the belief of no god. The fact that their life nearly seems to be dominated by the hatred of religious belief is in itself nearly a religion.

    That's a fallacious argument if I ever heard one. Your definition of "religion" must be pretty skewed.

    As for "Alive": It makes a great grounding for cat litter.


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  • #22
    Robbo
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    monkeyfudge wrote: »
    I must have missed the episode of Primetime when God came out on the no side.
    Very convincing he was too. He pointed out that under Lisbon we were to lose a cardinal, the EU would have control over the collection plate at mass and we'd all be conscripted into the Vatican Guard.


  • #23
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Stekelly wrote: »
    The problem is there is still a sizable amount of (admittedly elderly, bu they are notoriously good for turnout numbers) people who believe the church is the shining light of al things good and that it would never lead them down the wrong path. This results in them blindly following things that appear to be the voice of the church.

    Now that I think about it, the Church should be encouraging neutrality on political issues, that are potentially divisive. It is clear that some people in Catholicism (reading from the article given by the OP) are in disagreement with the paper, and it's contents. Most of it in fairness, is just the average news from the Roman Catholic church, but now and again, they attack fairly political issues, such as calling Eamonn Gilmore a "saucy teenager" for being agnostic, and of course they have attacked Anglican figures such as Rowan Williams (mind you not as much as Jeremy Clarkson). It's just dependant on how you take it, I receive it fairly well, give it a read at least, but I don't subscribe to any of the views inside. However, it's not just distributed in the church, I've seen them at university, and delivered to my door as well. I personally find it interesting how other people think though, and I think let them at it (with the exception of the church perhaps).


  • #24
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Now that I think about it, the Church should be encouraging neutrality on political issues, that are potentially divisive. It is clear that some people in Catholicism (reading from the article given by the OP) are in disagreement with the paper, and it's contents. Most of it in fairness, is just the average news from the Roman Catholic church, but now and again, they attack fairly political issues, such as calling Eamonn Gilmore a "saucy teenager" for being agnostic, and of course they have attacked Anglican figure such as Rowan Williams (mind you not as much as Jeremy Clarkson). It's just dependant on how you take it, I receive it fairly well, give it a read at least, but I don't subscribe to any of the views inside. However, it's not just distributed in the church, I've seen them at university, and delivered to my door as well. I personally find it interesting how other people think though, and I think let them at it (with the exception of the church perhaps).
    In the United States Churches are exempt from paying tax by the IRS (Inland Revenue Service) if they comply with certain conditions laid out, one of these being is that they keep out of politics. If they breach these stipulations they can have their tax free status revoked. This is something that could possibly be drafted into Irish and European law in the wake of this.

    There was absolutely nothing mentioned by our Politicians about banning the Irish Catholic newspaper from our churches which was a predominantly pro yes in the run up to the campaign.

    Although the clergy may distance themselves from this particular newspaper as I presume that it is not sanctioned by Rome itself nevertheless this is not about an attack on a religious paper, this is all about an attempt to silence free speech in our country and an attempt to silence the opposition in a second Lisbon treaty referendum and It must be resisted


  • #25
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    That's interesting. How do they differentiate between the church being involved in politics, and church members being involved in politics? I think that is a highly dangerous policy.


  • #26
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Jakkass wrote: »
    That's interesting. How do they differentiate between the church being involved in politics, and church members being involved in politics? I think that is a highly dangerous policy.
    I presume that this could put clergy in the position to police literature that is being destributed on their property, such would be politically related magazines and articles. I could possibly forsee the banning of selling newspapers from church grounds altogether and the licencing of newspaper destributers. America is already going down this road.


  • #27
    TPD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,814 ✭✭✭TPD


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    I am not at all religious. However I believe the athiesm forum here is a bigger joke than Fred Phelps. Few of them see the irony in having an almost religious devotion to the belief of no god. The fact that their life nearly seems to be dominated by the hatred of religious belief is in itself nearly a religion.

    Atheists give atheism a bad name.


  • #28
    Biggins
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    TPD wrote: »
    Atheists give atheism a bad name.

    You mean, just as priests give Catholicism a bad name!

    Don't shoot messenger for the message (if its badly written).


  • #29
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I presume that this could put clergy in the position to police literature that is being destributed on their property, such would be politically related magazines and articles. I could possibly forsee the banning of selling newspapers from church grounds altogether and the licencing of newspaper destributers. America is already going down this road.

    I'd consider that religious suppression. It's wholly incorrect. I hope legislation like that doesn't happen here.


  • #30
    TPD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,814 ✭✭✭TPD


    Biggins wrote: »
    You mean, just as priests give Catholicism a bad name!

    Don't shoot messenger for the message (if its badly written).

    If the messenger drops the message in a puddle and it's unreadable, he should be shot. Cant even deliver a message... Grumble...

    And I'd say Catholics give Catholicism a bad name, its not just the priests that can be mentalists.


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  • #31
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Jakkass wrote: »
    I'd consider that religious suppression. It's wholly incorrect. I hope legislation like that doesn't happen here.

    I could possibly foresee the distributing of all religious and political literature from being banned from public places by the European Union as it draws closer to faschism. This could be drafted in under some "anti terror bill" that implies that such literature could be used against the interests of national security for recruitment of "terrorist extremists".

    The authorities couldn't very well just ban literature from one religious or political organization, they would have to have a blanket ban on all. This would cover flyers, billboards and bus advertisements. One would have to first apply to the authorities to seek a license to destribute such literature just as one must notify the authorities in the event of organising any public gathering.

    In the wake of "Shell to Sea" and the No result of the Lisbon referendum the Government would be delighted to see such a ban on the freedom of speech being enforced.


  • #32
    lostexpectation
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    shouldn't this be in the eu politics forum


  • #33
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    lostexpectation wrote: »
    shouldn't this be in the eu politics forum
    Or the Christianity, CT or the News & Media forum. :confused:


  • #34
    Shacklebolt
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    Ah good old Alive! On the rare occasions Im in a church I always take a copy just for the laugh.... The incredible paranoia of the people who publish it, is beyond belief. According to the wikipedia article on it the paper claimed Marx and Kant were under satanic posession.


  • #35
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Shacklebolt wrote: »
    Ah good old Alive! On the rare occasions Im in a church I always take a copy just for the laugh.... The incredible paranoia of the people who publish it, is beyond belief. According to the wikipedia article on it the paper claimed Marx and Kant were under satanic posession.
    Catholic Tabloid.


  • #36
    ChocolateSauce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    Shacklebolt wrote: »
    Ah good old Alive! On the rare occasions Im in a church I always take a copy just for the laugh.... The incredible paranoia of the people who publish it, is beyond belief. According to the wikipedia article on it the paper claimed Marx and Kant were under satanic posession.



    Not at all dissimilar to the paranoia of people who fear the EU is either becoming or already is fascist.


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  • #37
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    Not at all dissimilar to the paranoia of people who fear the EU is either becoming or already is fascist.
    The Government Officials have banned the the Irish Media from meetings with the Czech President.

    Sounds too familiar :rolleyes:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/6news/ click Czech President on State visit


  • #38
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    A right-wing Catholic newspaper which said a Lisbon Treaty No vote was a vote for God

    Surely it's some sort of heresy if you claim something like a treaty to be what god wants?


  • #39
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    I am not at all religious. However I believe the athiesm forum here is a bigger joke than Fred Phelps. Few of them see the irony in having an almost religious devotion to the belief of no god.

    Does it really seem strange that a group of people who tend to share interests (science, philosophy, debate, satire) and opinions (secularism, scepticism, frustration with religion/supernatural belief) might enjoy coming together to discuss such things? There's nothing religious about that, and a comparison to Fred Phelps is just hysterical.
    The fact that their life nearly seems to be dominated by the hatred of religious belief is in itself nearly a religion.

    You're not in any position to make any claims about what the A&A posters' lives are like. Don't confuse strong opinions with mindless dedication. I can't speak for the other posters, but as one of the most prolific I can tell you that I tend to spend perhaps half an hour every day or two days reading/posting on the A&A forum and beyond that my life is occupied with other things.

    I certainly don't drag myself out of bed on a Sunday morning to stand in a specially constructed building and be reminded what it is I believe by the Head-Atheist.


  • #40
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    Mena wrote: »
    That's a fallacious argument if I ever heard one. Your definition of "religion" must be pretty skewed.

    This Dawkins chap seems to be the God in there. They have all read his book, they all look up to him, every third thread is about him.....people basing a large part of their beliefs in life upon one male figure and a book he wrote, all sounds a bit jebus-like to me.

    Or should that be L Ron Hubbard like, seeing as he has presumably made a few bob off his books.
    Does it really seem strange that a group of people who tend to share interests (science, philosophy, debate, satire) and opinions (secularism, scepticism, frustration with religion/supernatural belief) might enjoy coming together to discuss such things? [

    I dont frequent anti WWF forums for a half hour a day posting about how ghey WWF is. I think it sucks, therefore it is not a part of my life. You think religion sucks, yet it is seemingly a part of your life indirectly if you spend half an hour a day sharing opinions on it.

    If there is a god he must be having a right oul bellylaugh at the ironing. The church in Ireland is so powerless in the 21st century that Athiests make more noise than devout catholics. Wont somebody please think of the ironing. If I was around in the 60s when the church actually ran things yes, I would be anti church. Today the church has about as much power as the nazi party in the running of this republic, so why should I hate them? Because they tell people in Africa that condoms are useless? (most of you seem to ignore the fact that these people who seemingly listen to the church view on them are having promiscious sex anyway, indicating they either cant afford condoms or just prefer hittin it raw, as you do. Making church opinion on condoms and Aids completely irrelevant)


  • #41
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    Not at all dissimilar to the paranoia of people who fear the EU is either becoming or already is fascist.


    Well they took loosing very well to be fair... they really showed us that it was all about democracy....:p


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  • #42
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    This Dawkins chap seems to be the God in there. They have all read his book, they all look up to him, every third thread is about him.....people basing a large part of their beliefs in life upon one male figure and a book he wrote, all sounds a bit jebus-like to me.

    Extremely ignorant comments. Most of the A&A posters are quite well read in general. Yes I've read Dawkins, I've also read Sam Harris, Dennet and many others. Not to mention a great number of religious texts. The majority of A&A posters don't actually like Dawkins very much and most of the threads about him are started by others passing through who want to take a swipe at him or complain about his activities. He's done some excellent work on Evolution and is a prominent opponent of religion, of course he features frequently, doesn't mean anyone is basing "a large part of their beliefs in life" on anything he says.
    I dont frequent anti WWF forums for a half hour a day posting about how ghey WWF is. I think it sucks, therefore it is not a part of my life. You think religion sucks, yet it is seemingly a part of your life indirectly if you spend half an hour a day sharing opinions on it.

    I think you'll find WWF has far less impact on the world than religious beliefs. Your comparison is devoid of worth.
    If there is a god he must be having a right oul bellylaugh at the ironing. The church in Ireland is so powerless in the 21st century that Athiests make more noise than devout catholics. Wont somebody please think of the ironing. If I was around in the 60s when the church actually ran things yes, I would be anti church. Today the church has about as much power as the nazi party in the running of this republic, so why should I hate them? Because they tell people in Africa that condoms are useless? (most of you seem to ignore the fact that these people who seemingly listen to the church view on them are having promiscious sex anyway, indicating they either cant afford condoms or just prefer hittin it raw, as you do. Making church opinion on condoms and Aids completely irrelevant)

    Yes, the whole condoms thing is a pretty big issue. It is just one among thousands of other topics though, such as religiously derived morality and opinions (just look at the gay marriage thread), Intelligent Design and Creationism, Church State separation, representations in the media, secular thinking, anti-atheist mentality (massive issue in the US), religion's role in politics, censorship, evolutionary science. I could sit here all day listing the relevant issues, and yes, some of the them are quite important to me and I enjoy many others. Sometimes it's just good for a laugh too.

    http://www.motifake.com/motivational_posters/ceb018b370.jpg


  • #43
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    Surely it's some sort of heresy if you claim something like a treaty to be what god wants?
    They have changed their caption for the next run up: "A Lisbon Treaty YES vote is a vote for the Devil" :eek:


  • #44
    Spyral
    Closed Accounts Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Spyral


    Brady isn't exactly a papist. He's not in great support of the popes motu propium either so in terms of uber catholicness I wouldn't be listening to him. That said I'm not a practising catholic atm so I really dont give a fiddlers.


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