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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Peregrinus wrote: »

    Presumably, the open book will look like the one that already features in the not-much-used arms of the University of Dublin (as opposed to the arms of Trinity College):

    iuniva1.jpg

    While there's nothing to say that this book is a bible, there's equally nothing to say it isn't.

    So why is one a bible and the other not?
    I think this crest is the new crest, is it not?
    I have to say, the open book looks like the same book that was in the old crest; its just that the book is now "opened". I think that "openness" is in itself the symbolism they want. But if it was a bible before, its still a bible now.
    I see the two flags are gone too, that of St. George (England) and St. Patrick (Ireland). Hardly anyone nowadays would recognise the red X as an Irish flag anyway, so not surprising really.

    The name is going to cause confusion with UCD. Didn't they try for the name "Dublin University" for a while? If that didn't catch on, I can't see "University of Dublin" working out for them too well; its even closer to UCD's name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    recedite wrote: »
    I think this crest is the new crest, is it not?
    Nope. This is the arms of the University of Dublin, granted some time in the mid-nineteenth century, as opposed to the arms of Trinity College, which have been in use since the sixteenth century.

    I think the revised arms for Trinity College are to look exactly like the present arms of the College, including the lion, the harp, the castles and the flags, except that the book/bible will be open rather than closed.
    recedite wrote: »
    The name is going to cause confusion with UCD. Didn't they try for the name "Dublin University" for a while? If that didn't catch on, I can't see "University of Dublin" working out for them too well; its even closer to UCD's name.
    The original idea, as you probably know, was that there was to be a University of Dublin, modelled on the University of Oxford and the University of Cambridge, and like those universities it would be made up of a number of Colleges, of which Trinity College was to be the first. But no second college was ever established. (They announced the establishment of a second college, King’s College, in the 1660s, but somehow never found the money to get past the announcement stage of the project. There was a proposal to establish a college for Catholics within the University of Dublin in the 1790s, but in the end they gave the money to Maynooth instead. And there were various half-hearted proposals in the mid-to-late nineteenth century that the Catholic University founded by Newman should become a college within the University of Dublin, but nothing came of them.)

    So the distinction between the University and the one College that does exist is a pretty blurred one and, arguably, the University has had a pretty shadowy existence as a separate institution. But, while the College enrolls the students and provides the teaching and the examining, strictly speaking it’s the University which awards degrees - so it’s BA (Dublin) and not BA (TCD) - and appoints the Professors. It's the coat of arms of the university - the one with four quarters, and the crowned harp in the middle - that appears on degree certificates.

    Internationally, Trinity feels that its brand may suffer from not including the word “University”, since in the US and some other countries a “college” is an altogether inferior creature to a “university”; hence the desire to include “University of Dublin” in the branding.

    If it did come to a stoush between TCD and UCD over similar names incorporating the word “University”, Trinity does have priority in terms of longer usage, but ramping up the frequency of that usage may also be an attempt to position themselves for such a stoush.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    recedite wrote: »
    The name is going to cause confusion with UCD. Didn't they try for the name "Dublin University" for a while? If that didn't catch on, I can't see "University of Dublin" working out for them too well; its even closer to UCD's name.
    UCD changed theirs to UCD, Dublin. It never really caught on other than in official documents and the joke became UC double D. They also then had the friendlier crest, which was to become the official crest, or so they claim but the old crest was still on certificates from the college 2 years after the change. Then there was the complaining of money wasted as the script used was not free and they pay for its usage (or at least did) which seemed a bit silly as it was incredibly close to several free ones.
    Peregrinus wrote: »
    If it did come to a stoush between TCD and UCD over similar names incorporating the word “University”, Trinity does have priority in terms of longer usage, but ramping up the frequency of that usage may also be an attempt to position themselves for such a stoush.
    Not sure of the official-ness of it but trinity had always the title, it was called the University of Dublin when I was there and it was on most of the literature as well. Like you said it was written in similar style to Cambridge etc. with TCD, University of Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Gotham


    Not specifically atheism, but this has info on everything. Great if you want to do some bullet point research on things.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

    Has info on all religions and lots of extra quackery.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    CramCycle wrote: »
    UCD changed theirs to UCD, Dublin. It never really caught on other than in official documents and the joke became UC double D.

    UCD, Dublin as a name sounds stupid to me. They're calling themselves University College of Dublin, Dublin. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Not sure of the official-ness of it but trinity had always the title, it was called the University of Dublin when I was there and it was on most of the literature as well. Like you said it was written in similar style to Cambridge etc. with TCD, University of Dublin.

    Trinity is a constituent college of the University of Dublin (in fact it's the only one. I'm guessing the idea was to go like Cantab or Oxon, but they never got enough sponsors to build new ones), while UCD is a constuent college of the National University of Ireland (built as a non-denominational national college by the British government to train up the better class of Tadhgs into running the empire along their English and Scottish cousins, when the UK government realised that discriminating catlicks was hurting them and that no good catlick would go to Trinners), therefore they couldn't really use the University of Dublin moniker as they've no rights to it. Trinity can, but why dilute the brand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    UCD, Dublin as a name sounds stupid to me. They're calling themselves University College of Dublin, Dublin. :pac:
    Well, it's in the great tradition of AIB Bank, TSB Bank and EBS Building Society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Well, it's in the great tradition of AIB Bank, TSB Bank and EBS Building Society.

    AIB bank makes some sense as it's Allied Irish Banks Bank, as in refferring to the larger bank made up of the smaller ones.

    Two that always tickle me are ATM machine and PIN number. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Ah redundant acronym syndrome syndrome (RASS). Acronyms in meteorology are cool. Posted this a while back on the Cool Vids & Links. :)

    164802.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    AIB bank makes some sense as it's Allied Irish Banks Bank, as in refferring to the larger bank made up of the smaller ones.
    It's either one bank, or it's more than one bank; it can't be both. (And, in fact, it's one bank; they have just the one banking licence, issued to just the one company.)

    It started off life as "Allied Irish Banks", for precisely the reasons that you mention. The formal name of the company is still Allied Irish Banks plc, and until about 1990 that was the brand as well. Round about 1990 they rebranded as "AIB". For a while they became "AIB Bank" in the Republic; then they switched back to just AIB. But a lot of the branches were refurbished when "AIB Bank" was in use, and this name is still on the facade.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Jernal wrote: »
    Ah redundant acronym syndrome syndrome (RASS). Acronyms in meteorology are cool. Posted this a while back on the Cool Vids & Links. :)

    ROFLMFAO as the kids say, apparently shorter than, "that's hilarious"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    We have all prob heard about the film Gods Not Dead - well Daniel Finke writes very enjoyable blog called A Philosophy Professor analyzes Gods Not Dead case for God

    Worth a read if you have time :)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    CramCycle wrote: »
    ROFLMFAO as the kids say, apparently shorter than, "that's hilarious"

    Or the one I give back to the kids when they can't get something working on the PC; 'Looks like a case of RTFM which has since nicely evolved to LMGTFY'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    smacl wrote: »
    Or the one I give back to the kids when they can't get something working on the PC; 'Looks like a case of RTFM which has since nicely evolved to LMGTFY'

    Ha, RTFM should be tattooed on my forehead I reckon, between my kids' PC and phone disasters. I did some very unappreciated ROFL the time my eldest downloaded a cracked Android OS upgrade to his day old phone, omitting to notice that it was a Russian hack and his brand new phone was now in Cyrillic as a default. Cue MUCH studying of the manual (and various forums) to get it into English....


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Very Strange Goings-on in Ballymore Eustace Cry Out For A Better Headline

    Creationists Unavailable For Comment on Shoat or Geep.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/a-bit-of-gruff-ewe-cannot-be-serious-1.1749080
    Is it a shoat or a geep? That’s the question being asked by publican and farmer Paddy Murphy after one of his sheep mated with a goat and gave birth to the result two weeks ago. He said the furry little creature was much more nimble on his feet than a typical lamb and the buds of his horns could already be felt. “He’s fast like a deer. You’d have to put him in a pen to catch him.”

    Mr Murphy, from Ballymore Eustace, Co Kildare had noticed the errant goat among his flock on the mountainside five months ago but didn’t think it was possible for goats and sheep to successfully mate. Then the offspring was born and he immediately noticed the difference between it and a nomal lamb. After the Farmers’ Journal posted a video of the creature on YouTube yesterday, it quickly went viral among customers in Murphy’s pub.

    “I’m told this is most unusual,” he said. Although they look similar, goats and sheep belong to a different genus and a cross is very rare. Sheep have 54 chromososm while goats have 60. Matings do occur, but the offspring is ususally stillborn. The most famous case happeneed in Botswana in when a female goat and a ram mated. Scientists found that the offspring had 57 chromosomes and it became known as the Toast of Botswana.

    However, the lamb/kid hybrid had an overactive libido and the farmer had to castrate him at ten months because he had become such a a nuisance to goats and sheep.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    robindch wrote: »
    However, the lamb/kid hybrid had an overactive libido and the farmer had to castrate him at ten months because he had become such a a nuisance to goats and sheep.

    A bit harsh, castrating the poor lad because he's a little aroused. I am sure he was only at it to ensure the survival of his species.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    CramCycle wrote: »
    A bit harsh, castrating the poor lad because he's a little aroused. I am sure he was only at it to ensure the survival of his species.
    A lonely dating scene capped off by castration?

    Gotta feel for the little fella.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I guess he could call his shoat (Game of Thrones S3 spoiler)
    Theon Geepjoy
    . :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    I guess he could call his shoat (Game of Thrones S3 spoiler)
    Theon Geepjoy
    . :pac:

    Very very very tempted to put a S4 spoiler in tags here, just to see who would bite.

    For science.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    I guess he could call his shoat (Game of Thrones S3 spoiler)
    Theon Geepjoy
    . :pac:

    Here was I thinking Vargo ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Very very very tempted to put a S4 spoiler in tags here, just to see who would bite.

    For science.

    I've had most of that series spoiled for me. :( Don't know why people do it either. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    Jernal wrote: »
    I've had most of that series spoiled for me. :( Don't know why people do it either. :mad:

    Gandalf dies when Eddard Stark blows up the Death Star with an iceberg and turns out to be a ghost the whole
    time
    .


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Gandalf dies when Eddie blows up the Death Star with an iceberg and turns out to be a ghost the whole ****.

    Spoiler tags FFS

    Apology accepted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    Gandalf dies when Eddard Stark blows up the Death Star with an iceberg and turns out to be a ghost the whole
    time
    .

    "You win or you die, you fools!" - Gandalf, right before The Mountain pulls him from Dragonmount.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    'Fly you fools' said Luke in response.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    If people don't stop posting spoilers I will unleash my inner Catelyn Tully
    (maysheeventuallyrestinpeace)

    :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Ye're all wrong by the way with yeer spoilerish manners.
    Turns out the zebra did it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    Ye're all wrong by the way with yeer spoilerish manners.
    Turns out the zebra did it.

    What?!
    I always thought it was the zygote?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    What?!
    I always thought it was the zygote?
    I've the abridged version.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    And here I was thinking a 'game of thrones' was playing chess between adjoining cubicles!

    You live and learn...

    :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Only mildly interesting (the topic of study itself though, is pretty interesting/amusing):
    "Climate Deniers Intimidate Journal into Retracting Paper that Finds They Believe Conspiracy Theories"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,486 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    endacl wrote: »
    And here I was thinking a 'game of thrones' was playing chess between adjoining cubicles!

    Careful, you might end up arrested like 'Mr. Wide Stance'

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Those of you who follow Ben Goldacre (and if you don't know who he is you deserved to be banned :p) may have been aware of the European Medicine Agency's court battle with AbbVie a giant pharmaceutical over the release of clinical trial data relating to adalimumab (Humira). Humira was the best selling drug last year. In a nutshell, Abbvie attempted to sue the EMA when they were about to release that data publicly. Abbive's argument was that trial data was confidential and harmed their competitiveness when it's released to competitors. (I may be strawmanning a bit there as there incident happened over a year ago :o) It now appears that AbbVie have withdrawn their case.


    Incidentally, the wonderful UKIP party voted against EU legislation to help make all clincial trials more transparent and open. Awesome chaps those. :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Religion is declining fast in the USA - around 25% of the drop is correlated with reduced religious upbringing, another 5% correlated with university education and 25% appears to be correlated with internet use. Leaving 45% unaccounted for.

    http://www.technologyreview.com/view/526111/how-the-internet-is-taking-away-americas-religion/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    robindch wrote: »
    Religion is declining fast in the USA - around 25% of the drop is correlated with reduced religious upbringing, another 5% correlated with university education and 25% appears to be correlated with internet use. Leaving 45% unaccounted for.

    http://www.technologyreview.com/view/526111/how-the-internet-is-taking-away-americas-religion/

    45% due to civilization? A general 'growing up' and setting aside of childish things?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Leery, as I am of dredging up the entire Watson debacle and her derogatory comments regarding the "atheist community", I was reminded of both when reading these articles a few days back.

    Summary - a TV production company decides to fund a reality-tv-style "game jam" in which a few groups of software developers compete to develop a playable, fun computer game as quickly as possible, under studio conditions. Not a bad premise for a show, I have to say - software development is an intensely creative activity and far removed from the tedious code-grinding that many people think it is. In any case, software developers tend to be meticulous, non-sexist meritocrats, as, I suspect, the vast majority of committed atheists/agnostics and skeptics are. Quite opposite, unfortunately, to the man the production company chose to front the show.

    Read what happened here:

    http://indiestatik.com/2014/03/31/most-expensive-game-jam/

    Other reports are here, here and here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    robindch wrote: »
    Read what happened here:

    http://indiestatik.com/2014/03/31/most-expensive-game-jam/

    Other reports are here, here and here.

    Very interesting. Sent it to wannabe games developer son, who noted his approval of all the devs kicking some sexist ass. It'd be good to watch a show (run properly) like that though. Hopefully they'll manage one without a corporate wind-up merchant next time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Reality tv is unfortunately the biggest load of disgusting tripe. Just about every show has a production team of cynics behind it looking for the interesting stories. Nobody is reflected accurately. That person who comes across as a complete ditsy has most likely just had their segments edited to appear that way. All the while, the production team, makes sure circumstances conspire to push people's buttons in the desired direction. Little, if any consideration, is given towards the humans at the centre of it all.

    The saddest thing is that people lap it up. Unlike hating people in the soaps they actually think the person they hate in the reality show is a reflection of the real person. It's possible, but most of the time it's never the case. Worse still though is the ridiculous notion that some people carry that performers in reality tv shows deserve everything they get. Some of them make megabucks so apparently it's ok that they're depicted to be complete assholes. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,597 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    For those who are interested, the guys from the Reasonable Doubts podcast released a kind of a meta analysis of studies into the idea that religion promotes pro-social behaviour and they deliver it as a talk here

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/reasonabledoubts/2014/04/07/rd-extra-does-religion-make-us-better-people-galens-bulldog-edition/


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    " Renegade" South Korean scientist Hwang Woo Suk who previously exaggerated his abilities to clone human cells, then cloned some dogs, then took on a project to clone a mammoth for the Russians, has now come up with a plan to raise extra research cash.
    He plans to clone dogs for rich airheads in Europe and America. And what better way to launch the marketing for this noble enterprise than with a cringeworthy Channel 4 TV competition called "the £60,000 puppy" offering the first one free. There is something undignified in a wealthy person pleading their need for a free duplicate of little Fifi, to a rather aloof Hwang resplendent in the white coat of a brainiac scientist.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    http://sploid.gizmodo.com/ancient-papyrus-that-says-jesus-was-married-is-authenti-1561767234?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
    Three teams of scientists at Harvard University, Columbia University, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have concluded that the ancient coptic papyrus that talks about Jesus' wife is authentic and not a forgery. The Vatican claimed the latter when it was discovered.

    Given at the time Jesus apparently existed it was normal for holy men to be with women and be married, its not at all a shocking thing to be honest


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Its carbon dated to 8th century, and Egypt is mentioned. "Not a forgery" has limited meaning in that scenario, it presumably is a copy of a copy etc. so not original from the time of Jesus, but not intentionally a fraud either. Monks as far away as Ireland were also busy mass producing their favourite versions of gospels at that time too. I suppose different gospels were still circulating in different parts of the world at that time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    While it is interesting, do we not spend a lot of time trying to argue the point that just because something was written down a long time ago it's not necessarily true? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    While it is interesting, do we not spend a lot of time trying to argue the point that just because something was written down a long time ago it's not necessarily true? :D

    Indeed. Who cares? The facts of who holybabyjebus may or may not have been married to are irrelevant. The fact that folks believe he is his own imaginary dad is the issue.

    :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 755 ✭✭✭sea_monkey


    I don't see why he wouldn't have married.

    I remember my history teacher in secondary school going to great lengths to tell us that jesus had 14 siblings. Never looked at the virgin mary the same again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,486 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    sea_monkey wrote: »
    I don't see why he wouldn't have married.

    Gay marriage wasn't legal then.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 755 ✭✭✭sea_monkey


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Gay marriage wasn't legal then.

    Shots fired.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    1. Although the Vatican has been widely reported as having said it was a forgery, primary cites that they ever said this are hard to come by.

    2. Assuming it's genuine, it's a papyrus from somewhere between the sixth and nineth centuries. It's not contemporary with Jesus, or anything like.

    3. It's a copy of an earlier text, but the earlier text is (from linguistic evidence) likely from the fourth-century, and from Eqypt. It, too, is not contemporary with Jesus.

    4. No scholar suggests that it is evidence that the historical Jesus was married.

    5. Some scholars suggest that it is evidence that fourth-century Coptic Christians believed, or may have believed, Jesus to have been married.

    6. Others suggest that there isn't enough in the fragment to conclude even this. The fragment includes the words "Jesus said to them 'my wife . . .'". And there, tantalisingly, it breaks off. It can't be shown that this is a reference to an actual wife. In the canonical gospels, Jesus frequently uses relational terms figuratively. ("“Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”) It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that the completed text from this fragment would show a figurative use of "wife".


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    ....

    6. Others suggest that there isn't enough in the fragment to conclude even this. The fragment includes the words "Jesus said to them 'my wife . . .'". And there, tantalisingly, it breaks off. It can't be shown that this is a reference to an actual wife. In the canonical gospels, Jesus frequently uses relational terms figuratively. ("“Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”) It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that the completed text from this fragment would show a figurative use of "wife".

    Perhaps it's the start of a joke? "And after Peter toldeth them the one about the Pharisee, the Samaritan and the Gallilean who found a magic lamp, Jesus said to them ‘My wife is so fat, right…’



    He may have been the Jimmy Tarbuck of his day.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    pauldla wrote: »
    He may have been the Jimmy Tarbuck of his day.
    Interesting idea, but unlikely. Of all the forms of human expression contained with the bible, the one that's most prominent by its almost complete absence, is humor. It's gag/word ratio is almost as bad as Tolkien.

    The only joke I can think of -- I'm sure there must be more -- is that line "You are Peter and upon this rock, I will build my church". Which is kind of punny when one bears in mind that the Greek and Latin words for "Peter" and "rock" are the same. Or almost the same, since "Rock" is feminine in both Latin (petra) and Greek (πέτρα) and Peter was a guy, so perhaps Jesus was trying to tell us something about St Peter.


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