I hate the M50 [Warning post #222]

duffman3833 · 22-10-2015 4:49pm #1

I was heading to Wexford and was heading for m50. Entered m50 just after going past airport and withing 3 min of me been on the m50 the traffic was at stand still. I don't use the m50 at all really, only for i had to go to Wexford. But stopping and starting most of way on m50 is really bad. At one point i was in the overtaking lane (right hand lane) and we were at a standstill but left hand lane was moving freely. How is that possible? Is this a design fault or issue with badly timed traffic lights on exit of m50 or what?

eeguy · 22-10-2015 4:52pm

duffman3833 wrote: »

I was heading to Wexford and was heading for m50. Entered m50 just after going past airport and withing 3 min of me been on the m50 the traffic was at stand still. I don't use the m50 at all really, only for i had to go to Wexford. But stopping and starting most of way on m50 is really bad. At one point i was in the overtaking lane (right hand lane) and we were at a standstill but left hand lane was moving freely. How is that possible? Is this a design fault or issue with badly timed traffic lights on exit of m50 or what?

Could be near an exit and cars in the left hand lane were moving out of the gridlock. You were stuck on the righthand side with people who had no intention of using the exit?

megabantz · 22-10-2015 4:53pm

duffman3833 wrote: »

I was heading to Wexford and was heading for m50. Entered m50 just after going past airport and withing 3 min of me been on the m50 the traffic was at stand still. I don't use the m50 at all really, only for i had to go to Wexford. But stopping and starting most of way on m50 is really bad. At one point i was in the overtaking lane (right hand lane) and we were at a standstill but left hand lane was moving freely. How is that possible? Is this a design fault or issue with badly timed traffic lights on exit of m50 or what?

the M50 turns into a car park when idio*t drivers do silly things and cause an incident, just like today when 8 cars were involved in a RTc EIGHT F*ucking CARS!!! madness.

Also the traffic moving freely in the left hand lane can be as a result of a number of things mainly...

1) most people who get onto the M50 head straight for the "FAST LANE" instead of driving how you should have been thought and to use the left hand lane until you need to overtake etc etc

2) there could have been an incident in the right lane causing it to come to a standstill

duffman3833 · 22-10-2015 4:56pm

megabantz wrote: »

the M50 turns into a car park when idio*t drivers do silly things and cause an incident, just like today when 8 cars were involved in a RTc EIGHT F*ucking CARS!!! madness.

Also the traffic moving freely in the left hand lane can be as a result of a number of things mainly...

1) most people who get onto the M50 head straight for the "FAST LANE" instead of driving how you should have been thought and to use the left hand lane until you need to overtake etc etc

2) there could have been an incident in the right lane causing it to come to a standstill

I didn't hear of a 8 car crash today, when was it?
I was stuck in the fast lane at that point as the lane next to me was at standstill also but the 2 lanes to left were flowing. I eventually got free.

megabantz · 22-10-2015 5:01pm

it was part of the traffic report on 98fm thismorning. It may have been minor but would have caused delays for sure.

duffman3833 · 22-10-2015 5:05pm

megabantz wrote: »

it was part of the traffic report on 98fm thismorning. It may have been minor but would have caused delays for sure.

took a good hour for me to get from one end of m50 to the other. I just don't understand how a 4 lane motorway can be at a standstill

megabantz · 22-10-2015 5:10pm

its very annoying alright but I put it down to 0 educational requirement when taking a test. I think they should make people do their test and should they pass they must then pass a motorway module. I bet you your house it would help. a lot of people don't know how to drive on the motorway, you just have to look at Germany I think it is where the Authobahn has no speed limit but they have a motorway module as part of taking their test so they know how to drive on a motorway and how to properly change lanes and enter / exit safely. I see it daily people driving on suicide missions flying around lanes like its the waltzers and then at the last minute zip across 3 lanes to an exit! madness

duffman3833 · 22-10-2015 5:14pm

megabantz wrote: »

its very annoying alright but I put it down to 0 educational requirement when taking a test. I think they should make people do their test and should they pass they must then pass a motorway module. I bet you your house it would help. a lot of people don't know how to drive on the motorway, you just have to look at Germany I think it is where the Authobahn has no speed limit but they have a motorway module as part of taking their test so they know how to drive on a motorway and how to properly change lanes and enter / exit safely. I see it daily people driving on suicide missions flying around lanes like its the waltzers and then at the last minute zip across 3 lanes to an exit! madness

after you get off the m50 and you get on the n11 i think it is, the speed limit is 100kmh. Why? it a motorway essentially and not a busy one. so why make us do 100?
I agree with the training for motorways as a lot of people fear them and need to use it

First Up · 22-10-2015 5:17pm

megabantz wrote: »

its very annoying alright but I put it down to 0 educational requirement when taking a test. I think they should make people do their test and should they pass they must then pass a motorway module. I bet you your house it would help. a lot of people don't know how to drive on the motorway, you just have to look at Germany I think it is where the Authobahn has no speed limit but they have a motorway module as part of taking their test so they know how to drive on a motorway and how to properly change lanes and enter / exit safely. I see it daily people driving on suicide missions flying around lanes like its the waltzers and then at the last minute zip across 3 lanes to an exit! madness

And I'd suspect that this is the cause of most of the accidents on it. But until there is (a) some education and (b) enforcement of how to use a motorway, the quickest and clearest route on the M50 will continue to be the inside (driving) lane.

mickoneill31 · 22-10-2015 5:20pm

duffman3833 wrote: »

took a good hour for me to get from one end of m50 to the other. I just don't understand how a 4 lane motorway can be at a standstill

Why not? It can only handle so many cars per hour. If it hits that number, traffic goes to a standstill.

This site is great.

https://www.nratrafficdata.ie/c2/gmapbasic.asp?sgid=ZvyVmXU8jBt9PJE$c7UXt6

If you click any junction you'll get an average annual daily traffic for the last couple of years. So far this year the average is up 8000 cars a day.

Have no fear, our councils are springing into action and should have some plans to make it better in the next 15 years or so.

There are loads of things that could be done to make it easier on the commuter like tolling at each entrance & exit rather than just at one spot, a reduced rate toll for people who commute at non peak times, variable speed limits. Maybe joining up with the ferrys so they don't seem to dump 1000 trucks into the system at peak times.
I think these just seem like futuristic ideas for our planners though.

duffman3833 · 22-10-2015 5:21pm

First Up wrote: »

And I'd suspect that this is the cause of most of the accidents on it. But until there is (a) some education and (b) enforcement of how to use a motorway, the quickest and clearest route on the M50 will continue to be the inside (driving) lane.

in Finland, don't they teach you have to control drift a car? yet we cant teach people to drive, in basically a straight line ha

The J Stands for Jay · 22-10-2015 5:22pm

I love the M50. It's just the other drivers I hate...

There needs to be proper enforcement of the rules of the road, rather than the occasional squad car going along, in the wrong lane like all the other dopes.

First Up · 22-10-2015 5:34pm

McGaggs wrote: »

I love the M50. It's just the other drivers I hate...

There needs to be proper enforcement of the rules of the road, rather than the occasional squad car going along, in the wrong lane like all the other dopes.

Yes, police cars are invariably in the outside lane, which they seem to think is their birthright. I've also seen RSA vehicles sailing along in the middle lane, only crossing the driving lane en route to the exit.

I have never seen lane behavior enforced, nor have I ever seen anything on the overhead gantry about it. Nor has it ever featured as a topic in any of the RSA ads on radio or TV. And yet hardly a day passes without a few shunts and huge tailbacks, a high proportion of which are due to stupid driving and chaotic lane usage.

Daft.

cython · 22-10-2015 5:35pm

duffman3833 wrote: »

after you get off the m50 and you get on the n11 i think it is, the speed limit is 100kmh. Why? it a motorway essentially and not a busy one. so why make us do 100?
I agree with the training for motorways as a lot of people fear them and need to use it

The M50 itself is 100km/h for the most of it, the M11 is 120km/h, and the N11 becomes 100km/h as you mention. In many instances these non-motorway sections are because they replaced (rather than ran alongside) the existing route, and if they were to operate as motorways it would lead to ridiculous detours, or even no access, for disallowed vehicles. The northernmost section of the Arklow bypass is just one such example, whereby the only access to the rugby club was off that until the latest upgrade along that corridor.

Ronin247 · 22-10-2015 5:41pm

megabantz wrote: »

its very annoying alright but I put it down to 0 educational requirement when taking a test. I think they should make people do their test and should they pass they must then pass a motorway module. I bet you your house it would help. a lot of people don't know how to drive on the motorway, you just have to look at Germany I think it is where the Authobahn has no speed limit but they have a motorway module as part of taking their test so they know how to drive on a motorway and how to properly change lanes and enter / exit safely. I see it daily people driving on suicide missions flying around lanes like its the waltzers and then at the last minute zip across 3 lanes to an exit! madness

This drives me insane. My other favourites are
Drive along in the left hand lane passing all the cars queuing in the slip lane to exit, even if there is a gap ignore it untill 50 metres to go, stand on the brakes, left indicate and push in causing everyone to brake hard...... then wonder what is causing the tailback

Enter a motorway,right indicator on and head straight across to the furthest right lane ( the "fast lane" ) , irrespective of what speed you are doing or anyone else is doing or whether conditions require it or not.

Dawdle along at 100kph in a 120 kph zone and then when someone goes out to pass...... right foot down and speed up, trapping them on the outside.Cnuts.

Del2005 · 22-10-2015 5:46pm

The reason why you where stopped and the other lanes moving is due to other people driving too close and hitting their brakes as they get closer to the car in front, as most people are too close they then have to brake which leads to a phantom traffic jam. This travels in the opposite direction to the flow of traffic leading to a stand still several km back from the original incident.

The M50 is like all orbital routes and suffers traffic congestion. The M25 around London is 6 lanes in some parts and that has huge congestion daily, the orbital around Paris is another massive motorway with massive congestion.

Arbiter of Good Taste · 22-10-2015 5:55pm

duffman3833 wrote: »

I didn't hear of a 8 car crash today, when was it?
I was stuck in the fast lane at that point as the lane next to me was at standstill also but the 2 lanes to left were flowing. I eventually got free.

You were not stuck in the fast lane. There is no "fast lane". It is an overtaking lane. It is driving like you are that causes the tail back

0ph0rce0 · 22-10-2015 6:01pm

Ronin247 wrote: »

This drives me insane. My other favourites are
Drive along in the left hand lane passing all the cars queuing in the slip lane to exit, even if there is a gap ignore it untill 50 metres to go, stand on the brakes, left indicate and push in causing everyone to brake hard...... then wonder what is causing the tailback

Enter a motorway,right indicator on and head straight across to the furthest right lane ( the "fast lane" ) , irrespective of what speed you are doing or anyone else is doing or whether conditions require it or not.

Dawdle along at 100kph in a 120 kph zone and then when someone goes out to pass...... right foot down and speed up, trapping them on the outside.Cnuts.

I hate that, i've been sitting here for 10 minutes and you want in? I think not. I stay as close to the car in front and i know i shouldn't but i politely stick my middle finger up and never let these people in

blackbird 49 · 22-10-2015 6:53pm

Hate the M50 and I'm only a passenger, I have driven it once or twice maybe but only because I had no choice, there are people who drive this road every day and have been lucky enough not to have a accident so some of them have the attitude that they are perfect drivers

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-10-2015 6:56pm

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Severard · 22-10-2015 7:19pm

Traffic is bad on it most days but today with the crash it was a complete holdup. I get off at exit 13 northbound for Sandyford but at 8:30 I was at exit 15 and there was already a standstill. So I took that exit, went through Foxrock and made it into work within 15 minutes. Fairly quite & the only real traffic was just off the exit.

stanley1980 · 22-10-2015 8:24pm

Agree with most of the above! My own two main hates are:

Idiots who do 80km or less in the middle lane- oblivious to all around them.

Dickheads who try to merge at the last moment where others have been queuing for half a kilometre. I never let them in-usually some asshole in a bmw or a van.

JumpShivers · 22-10-2015 8:29pm

cython wrote: »

The M50 itself is 100km/h for the most of it, the M11 is 120km/h, and the N11 becomes 100km/h as you mention. In many instances these non-motorway sections are because they replaced (rather than ran alongside) the existing route, and if they were to operate as motorways it would lead to ridiculous detours, or even no access, for disallowed vehicles. The northernmost section of the Arklow bypass is just one such example, whereby the only access to the rugby club was off that until the latest upgrade along that corridor.

Roads don't need motorway status to have a speed limit of 120 km/h. The N1 (after the M1 ends) between Jonesborough and the Border is an N road and has a speed limit of 120 km/h and is therefore accesible to cyclists and agricultural vehicles (it has a large hard shoulder).

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-10-2015 8:37pm

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john the one · 22-10-2015 8:46pm

The M50 is a kip between 7 and 8:30 in the morning. fact. its ok after that, but its still a kip

Carawaystick · 22-10-2015 10:21pm

I love the M50.
If it wasn't there, it would take me 3 times as long to get to the Folks house
5 times as long to get to work, if there was work, in a backward non-bypassed capital city

gogreen81 · 22-10-2015 10:48pm

mickoneill31 wrote:

There are loads of things that could be done to make it easier on the commuter like tolling at each entrance & exit rather than just at one spot, a reduced rate toll for people who commute at non peak times, variable speed limits. Maybe joining up with the ferrys so they don't seem to dump 1000 trucks into the syst

see no response to your comment. It's. Good idea to toll each entry and exit. Y only the west side blanch guys pay the toll . Whereas from west to all south there is no toll at all. So ppl using it for free . With extea money something can be done to the road . Another m50 etc. Also there should be some good direct routes from west side to source considering there are so many ppl living in west and working in south.. Unfortunately there is nine.

gogreen81 · 22-10-2015 10:56pm

If there are direct bus routes from west to sandyford there would be a lot less traffic . Y only talk about Luas and dart which has long waiting period. More than people travel to airport they travel to work in pathetic m50 traffic. I wonder why there is nothing done yet to cover such a profitable route. Y do we need to go to city centre first to go south.. How stupid is that . Are Dublin buses banned on m50? 2 buses would take 100 cars off road .
20 buses to take 1000.. Is is not simple math??
Never liked the fact that I had to pay hefty toll from west to west travel

cart man · 22-10-2015 11:14pm

gogreen81 wrote:

Y only the west side blanch guys pay the toll . Whereas from west to all south there is no toll at all. So ppl using it for free

The toll was introduced to pay for the bridge crossing the Liffey, it was called the west link. Similarly there is toll on the bridge crossing the Liffey in the East called - Eastlink.

Why toll the motorways at all, when you consider the total mileage covered in a year on them they must be the cheapest and safest roads in the country.

Bulmers · 22-10-2015 11:23pm

I think its just volume, been using it last 4 years leaving around 7am from clonee to donnybrook and used to take about 35 mins at 7am couple years ago buy 7am not, looking at 1hr 30m or so,but definitely more cars on it now again.

Need to get up earlier.

We need an m60 now!

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-10-2015 11:30pm

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I hate the M50 [Warning post #222]

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