Crucifix conflict splits Kerry county council

magicbastarder · 16-04-2014 10:54am #1

A resolution by councillors in Kerry to erect a crucifix on their new chamber, which is set to open after Easter, is unlikely to be carried through because of a conflict with equality legislation, it has emerged.

The crucifix would mark a new departure for the council in Kerry which has hitherto eschewed all religious symbols, a meeting of the council was told this week.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/crucifix-conflict-splits-kerry-county-council-1.1763742

break out the popcorn.

ford2600 · 16-04-2014 10:56am

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/crucifix-conflict-splits-kerry-county-council-1.1763742

This is my favourite bit
"he had consulted the local imam and people of the Muslim religion had no objection to the crucifix, he also said"

Looks like it won't be erected but thought it was interesting non the less

jayobray · 16-04-2014 11:00am

So they were told by Council management that it was more than likely illegal, but they went ahead and had a debate and a vote on it? Seems like a waste of time and resources when there are way more important issues to tackle.

Then again, only a third of the councillors actually showed up...

Pherekydes · 16-04-2014 11:01am

Crucifix thread in A&A splits forum!

lazygal · 16-04-2014 11:11am

The ff councillor who proposed the motion was on Pat Kenny. He says he has no choice but to evangelise as part of being Christian. Imaginary friend is piling on the pressure.

FouxDaFaFa · 16-04-2014 11:16am

So much fail in one article.

However councillors said they were tired of apologising for their religion and one councillor suggested the erection of the cross might even encourage truth telling in the Kerry chamber.

If you are such a terrible liar that you need to be faced with a physical reminder of your God to tell the truth, you should not be a politician serving the public.

Mr Culloty, who was co-opted onto the council at the election of the former Fianna Fáil member and now Independent TD for Kerry South Tom Fleming, said he was anxious that the Christian Faith of the majority of people be reflected in the new council chamber.

Why? It reeks of some weird insecurity and a disregard for those who are not Christian.

PopePalpatine · 16-04-2014 11:23am

Kerry councillors in being thick fuckers shocker.

Cabaal · 16-04-2014 11:29am

am not surprised

This from the county that creates fools that think its ok to drink and drive,

Banbh · 16-04-2014 11:37am

He's a Fianna Fáil counsellor. I've emailed that party to ask its opinion in the light of the forthcoming election. It would be a positive thing if other posters here did the same.

lazygal · 16-04-2014 11:38am

Banbh wrote: »

He's a Fianna Fáil counsellor. I've emailed that party to ask its opinion in the light of the forthcoming election. It would be a positive thing if other posters here did the same.

I'm still waiting on FF Tds and senators to clarify their position on abortion. Don't hold your breath.

ford2600 · 16-04-2014 11:38am

Cabaal wrote: »

am not surprised

This from the county that creates fools that think its ok to drink and drive,

You didn't read the full by-law...

Drinking driving is only allowed with Crucifix dangling from mirror.

The local Iman had an issue with the drink but not crucifix when they ran it by him

Sulla Felix · 16-04-2014 11:39am

They're really taking cues from murrica with the rhetoric. Who's asking them to apologize for their religion?

magicbastarder · 16-04-2014 11:43am

Pherekydes wrote: »

Crucifix thread in A&A splits forum!

my thread is the One True Thread.

robindch · 16-04-2014 12:41pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

my thread is the One True Thread.

Both threads are now the One True Thread!

mikom · 16-04-2014 12:45pm

ford2600 wrote: »

You didn't read the full by-law...

Drinking driving is only allowed with Crucifix dangling from mirror.

♫
HeadLights will guide you home
And ignite your bones
And I will try to Crucifix you

Sulla Felix · 16-04-2014 12:46pm

robindch wrote: »

Both threads are now the One True Thread!

same-issue threads coming together? An unnatural union if ever I saw one.

Slightly on topic, do they start sessions with a prayer down that way as well?

Naz_st · 16-04-2014 12:48pm

Call me cynical but this seems more a case of a councilor who is up for re-election shortly finding an easy way to get publicity while at the same time pandering to the majority of his constituents, while being safe in the knowledge that his proposal would never actually happen due to equality legislation...

Cabaal · 16-04-2014 1:09pm

bumper234 · 16-04-2014 1:13pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

my thread is the One True Thread.

Hey

The bible states that a true joining of threads shall only be between male and female threads. This abomination will not be tolerated:mad:

hfallada · 16-04-2014 1:18pm

Don't forgot this is the same county council that wanted to issue permits for drink driving. And where councillors believe tax payers should maintain roads to an brilliant standard even through they are basically drive ways because people in Dublin have public transport.

A cross is the least of our worries from the geniuses in Kerry coco.

Pherekydes · 16-04-2014 1:18pm

Banbh wrote: »

He's a Fianna Fáil counsellor. I've emailed that party to ask its opinion in the light of the forthcoming election. It would be a positive thing if other posters here did the same.

I don't live in Kerry, but I don't ever see any point in engaging any representative of the eFFers for any reason. I've never voted for them; never will.

P.S. It might be fun to ask anyway. :pac:

Alf. A. Male · 16-04-2014 1:21pm

ford2600 wrote: »

You didn't read the full by-law...

Drinking driving is only allowed with Crucifix dangling from mirror.

The local Iman had an issue with the drink but not crucifix when they ran it by over him

FYP.

jackofalltrades · 16-04-2014 2:00pm

“Where does religion come into pothole filling?” Cllr Ferris asked.

Sums up the situation, and the role of a rural councillor in one sentence.
Very well put.

keane2097 · 16-04-2014 4:17pm

Cabaal wrote: »

am not surprised

This from the county that creates fools that think its ok to drink and drive,

The county also creates perfectly nice people, just so you know.

Would you be ok with me saying whatever place your from is the county that creates generalising pricks? :rolleyes:

Cabaal · 16-04-2014 4:38pm

keane2097 wrote: »

The county also creates perfectly nice people, just so you know.

Would you be ok with me saying whatever place your from is the county that creates generalising pricks? :rolleyes:

My issue is more the fact that these idiots keep being re-elected, thats concerning as the locals are involved in that

keane2097 · 16-04-2014 5:08pm

Cabaal wrote: »

My issue is more the fact that these idiots keep being re-elected, thats concerning as the locals are involved in that

So, just to clarify, you're grand with content of the original comment you made?

expectationlost · 16-04-2014 5:12pm

the council management have no problem with the prayer said before every meeting though do they?

keane2097 · 16-04-2014 5:16pm

expectationlost wrote: »

the council management have no problem with the prayer said before every meeting though do they?

It's been a matter for debate in the past alright.

Just to note that this is the same county that creates fools that think marriage equality is something to be aspired to.

http://www.marriagequality.ie/news/2013/02/18/kerry-county-council-votes-in-favour-of-marriage-equality/

goose2005 · 16-04-2014 5:20pm

“Where does religion come into pothole filling?” Cllr Ferris asked.

Whoever digs a hole and scoops it out
falls into the pit they have made.

-Psalm 7

Cabaal · 16-04-2014 5:35pm

keane2097 wrote: »

So, just to clarify, you're grand with content of the original comment you made?

What I stated was factual correct, the fact that you have decided that I'm somehow labeling everyone in the county as pro-drink driving is your mistake I'm afraid.

If the comment bothers you so much then in fairness don't read it,

keane2097 · 16-04-2014 5:39pm

Cabaal wrote: »

What I stated was factual correct, the fact that you have decided that I'm somehow labeling everyone in the county as pro-drink driving is your mistake I'm afraid.

If the comment bothers you so much then in fairness don't read it,

Right, and I'm supposed to know the comment is ignorant before I read it of course.

It's grand anyway, I'll know to avoid your posts in future considering the level of discourse you seem happy to aspire to. Standards are usually higher in this forum from what I've read in the past happily.

legspin · 16-04-2014 6:40pm

Being from the county in question and having a whole host of Final Failures in my family I can state that this sort of nonsense is on-going and constant. It is not one councillor, it is endemic within the party and the folk who follow them.

Galvasean · 16-04-2014 8:38pm

Does this make Kerry the 'murica of Ireland?

wp_rathead · 16-04-2014 8:52pm

Galvasean wrote: »

Does this make Kerry the 'murica of Ireland?

Nah - Northern Ireland is our true bible belt

recedite · 19-04-2014 7:30pm

He had consulted the local imam and people of the Muslim religion had no objection to the crucifix

I can imagine the conversation;
"OK Mr. Muslim, we're going to put up a big crucifix in the county council chamber. Because this is a catholic country. You're not going to give us any trouble over this are you? (No) OK good. See you around."

Hotblack Desiato · 06-06-2014 9:08am

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/crucifix-erected-in-kerry-county-council-meeting-chamber-1.1822912

SpaceTime · 06-06-2014 9:14am

Can sensible people now get a refund on their local property tax ?

Cabaal · 06-06-2014 9:15am

ninja900 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/crucifix-erected-in-kerry-county-council-meeting-chamber-1.1822912

oh ffs
backward bunch of hicks

Look what our "christian values" got us since the formation of the Irish state, hardly a beacon of forward thinking, good living and happy lives.

FouxDaFaFa · 06-06-2014 2:01pm

What's a "standard size" crucifix?

Either way, it's ridiculous they would expend so much energy on this stupid motion that isn't going to benefit the public, just a few people in the chamber itself.

Banbh · 06-06-2014 5:51pm

We should have a competition to see who can appropriate it.

recedite · 07-06-2014 1:14am

Well if its the standard size that you see around peoples necks, I would have no problem nicking it.
If its the life sized version that you might see up on the wall of a church, that presents a logistical problem. I might be mistaken for Jesus as I carried it away up the street. Maybe even jeered and stoned by Kerrymen as I struggled under the weight of it.

Banbh · 07-06-2014 1:45pm

Well the issue brought the Civil War to an end with Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael joining forces against the godless.

(On the side issue: Cabaal's 'backward bunch of hicks' and his notion that people in Kerry think collectively makes we wonder if secular urban sophisticates also share a common viewpoint.)

wp_rathead · 07-06-2014 1:48pm

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

What's a "standard size" crucifix?

Either way, it's ridiculous they would expend so much energy on this stupid motion that isn't going to benefit the public, just a few people in the chamber itself.

Scale 1:1 life sized replica

Banbh · 07-06-2014 1:51pm

The roman execution posts were about 20' high. Surely this yoke is not actual size.

Hotblack Desiato · 07-06-2014 8:08pm

Banbh wrote: »

(On the side issue: Cabaal's 'backward bunch of hicks' and his notion that people in Kerry think collectively makes we wonder if secular urban sophisticates also share a common viewpoint.)

Stop electing backwards hicks, problem solved.

Sulla Felix · 07-06-2014 8:20pm

ninja900 wrote: »

Stop electing backwards hicks, problem solved.

Rural communities elect people we can laugh at. urban communities however, seem to have form for electing those candidates that do real damage to the country.

shruikan2553 · 07-06-2014 8:53pm

They should put up crosses and crucify those that come out with stupid crap. Their crucified others will serve as a reminder of what happens when they say something stupid.

Hoagy · 07-06-2014 9:40pm

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Rural communities elect people we can laugh at. urban communities however, seem to have form for electing those candidates that do real damage to the country.

Dun Laoghaire Library...

expectationlost · 10-07-2014 4:50am

limerick http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/council-meeting-in-prayer-debacle-274887.html

The Cathaoirleach of Limerick City and County Council, Kevin Sheahan, has decided that until the matter is sorted out, meetings will commence with members standing in silence.

“If the council decide to continue by commencing meetings with a prayer, then members who do not agree will have the opportunity to stand outside.

“The councillors who are objecting to the prayer felt it was kind of sprung on them at the first meeting. The council members will be balloted on the matter.”

robindch · 10-07-2014 9:49am

Kevin Sheahan wrote:

"will have the opportunity to stand outside."

Ah, that's nice of him.

lazygal · 10-07-2014 9:57am

Atheists or those who don't fancy an auld pray can be separate, but equal. How convenient to be allowed to stand outside a door while appeals to a deity take place.

This is also the 'solution' offered in many schools when indoctrination takes place, so no wonder the county councils think its grand too.

Crucifix conflict splits Kerry county council

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