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To tie or not to tie...
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30-03-2011 2:51pm#1
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I had an interview for a promotion this morning and wore a shirt with the top button open... I got the job
That's great, it's always nice to hear of people doing well instead of all the doom and gloom
Op, as you said yourself more and more people are going without a tie these days so don't wear one if you're not comfortable.....
Even my 5 year old won't wear his tie to school
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A casual approach to wearing ties (or not wearing them) might be OK in the office where you are unlikely to meet with clients or people from out of the office but wherever that possibility exists then you have to wear a tie. It’s a professional thing.
A tie is an accessory to a suit and used properly it is devastatingly effective at making you look better. However a poor choice of tie can make you look terrible.
Personally I like ties and when wearing a suit I'll always wear a tie. At the end of the night, on the way home after a club or whatever I might loosen it off. This is especially enjoyable when wearing a bow tie as most men are scared witless the idea of tying them for some reason and are therefore are in awe of your awesomeness.
First things first.
If you feel constricted then your shirt is too small. It's as simple as that. Get your neck measured and get a few proper fitting shirts. You should be able to get two fingers comfortable under your collar. I like my collars a little looser then that again (3 fingers) so I opt for a collar size a tad larger then the recommended.
Next, figure out what you want your tie for. As stated in the post it's for business. Don't do novelty ties! Blue is the colour for business. That should be your basic and first choice - plain blue - unpatterned. After getting a proper (€50+) basic tie you can start to play around with colour, pattern and construction. Second hand shops are wonderful places for getting ties.
Learn to tie proper knots. There are 4 basic knots that will be enough to see you through every eventuality and then there are dozens of other speciality/nobility knots for nights out. The four basics are the "4 in hand", the half Windsor, the full Windsor and the bowtie. Leaving the bowtie aside the differences are in the size of the finished knot so that the knot size matches the collar properly. The full Windsor is a large knot for wearing with wide spread collars while the 4 in hand (School boys knot) is the narrowest of knots for narrow spread shirts. Learn them and use them, Youtube is your friend on this.
Match your tie to your suit – size wise. The width of your tie should match the width of your lapel. When it's done right you look great, when it's done wrong you look like a tosser.
Fit your tie. The broad end of your tie should be just touching your belt when you have finished tying it.
Get a tie pin - they are seksy.
Remember though that rules can and on occasion should be broken. Wear a skinny tie with a wide spread collar. Wear a kipper tie with a slim-fit suit. Wear a knitted bow tie. Just know what sartorial rules you are breaking before breaking them.I'm older than Minecraft goats.
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A casual approach to wearing ties (or not wearing them) might be OK in the office where you are unlikely to meet with clients or people from out of the office but wherever that possibility exists then you have to wear a tie. It’s a professional thing.
A tie is an accessory to a suit and used properly it is devastatingly effective at making you look better. However a poor choice of tie can make you look terrible.
Personally I like ties and when wearing a suit I'll always wear a tie. At the end of the night, on the way home after a club or whatever I might loosen it off. This is especially enjoyable when wearing a bow tie as most men are scared witless the idea of tying them for some reason and are therefore are in awe of your awesomeness.
First things first.
If you feel constricted then your shirt is too small. It's as simple as that. Get your neck measured and get a few proper fitting shirts. You should be able to get two fingers comfortable under your collar. I like my collars a little looser then that again (3 fingers) so I opt for a collar size a tad larger then the recommended.
Next, figure out what you want your tie for. As stated in the post it's for business. Don't do novelty ties! Blue is the colour for business. That should be your basic and first choice - plain blue - unpatterned. After getting a proper (€50+) basic tie you can start to play around with colour, pattern and construction. Second hand shops are wonderful places for getting ties.
Learn to tie proper knots. There are 4 basic knots that will be enough to see you through every eventuality and then there are dozens of other speciality/nobility knots for nights out. The four basics are the "4 in hand", the half Windsor, the full Windsor and the bowtie. Leaving the bowtie aside the differences are in the size of the finished knot so that the knot size matches the collar properly. The full Windsor is a large knot for wearing with wide spread collars while the 4 in hand (School boys knot) is the narrowest of knots for narrow spread shirts. Learn them and use them, Youtube is your friend on this.
Match your tie to your suit – size wise. The width of your tie should match the width of your lapel. When it's done right you look great, when it's done wrong you look like a tosser.
Fit your tie. The broad end of your tie should be just touching your belt when you have finished tying it.
Get a tie pin - they are seksy.
Remember though that rules can and on occasion should be broken. Wear a skinny tie with a wide spread collar. Wear a kipper tie with a slim-fit suit. Wear a knitted bow tie. Just know what sartorial rules you are breaking before breaking them.
:eek: - Jaysus.... Didn't realise how much there was to it! Appreciate all the interesting information though.0 -
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A casual approach to wearing ties (or not wearing them) might be OK in the office where you are unlikely to meet with clients or people from out of the office but wherever that possibility exists then you have to wear a tie. It’s a professional thing.
A tie is an accessory to a suit and used properly it is devastatingly effective at making you look better. However a poor choice of tie can make you look terrible.
Personally I like ties and when wearing a suit I'll always wear a tie. At the end of the night, on the way home after a club or whatever I might loosen it off. This is especially enjoyable when wearing a bow tie as most men are scared witless the idea of tying them for some reason and are therefore are in awe of your awesomeness.
First things first.
If you feel constricted then your shirt is too small. It's as simple as that. Get your neck measured and get a few proper fitting shirts. You should be able to get two fingers comfortable under your collar. I like my collars a little looser then that again (3 fingers) so I opt for a collar size a tad larger then the recommended.
Next, figure out what you want your tie for. As stated in the post it's for business. Don't do novelty ties! Blue is the colour for business. That should be your basic and first choice - plain blue - unpatterned. After getting a proper (€50+) basic tie you can start to play around with colour, pattern and construction. Second hand shops are wonderful places for getting ties.
Learn to tie proper knots. There are 4 basic knots that will be enough to see you through every eventuality and then there are dozens of other speciality/nobility knots for nights out. The four basics are the "4 in hand", the half Windsor, the full Windsor and the bowtie. Leaving the bowtie aside the differences are in the size of the finished knot so that the knot size matches the collar properly. The full Windsor is a large knot for wearing with wide spread collars while the 4 in hand (School boys knot) is the narrowest of knots for narrow spread shirts. Learn them and use them, Youtube is your friend on this.
Match your tie to your suit – size wise. The width of your tie should match the width of your lapel. When it's done right you look great, when it's done wrong you look like a tosser.
Fit your tie. The broad end of your tie should be just touching your belt when you have finished tying it.
Get a tie pin - they are seksy.
Remember though that rules can and on occasion should be broken. Wear a skinny tie with a wide spread collar. Wear a kipper tie with a slim-fit suit. Wear a knitted bow tie. Just know what sartorial rules you are breaking before breaking them.
Apologies for dragging up old thread..
When you said you get a collar size bigger, how does the shirt fit you? Because I wear a 17" neck and I always feel that shirt hangs off the shoulders and is a bit too big0 -
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I don't think of ties/suits as being workwear, I wear 'em for pleasure and the frippery is an added bonus to me. Tie pins, cufflinks, arm bands, silver collar stays - to me all are delightful to wear and collect.DublinWriter wrote: »Oldgoat - agree with everything you said bar the above.
Tie pins/clips are the work of satan, as are novelty and paisley ties (they will never come back into fashion).
I can just about manage a half-windsor first thing in the morning without having to worry about extra frippery.
The whole tie argument also depends on the dress culture of your workplace.
As one feminist once said (Germaine Greer possibly) about ties, they are just an opportunity for a man to wear a big arrow pointing to his cock.
I've never thought about them the same way since.
Agree with you on the paisley/novilety(sic) ties though, fukcing horrendous.
As for Ms Greer she did undoubtedly say a great many thing, few of them germane (see what I did there) to me. The tie quip strikes me as having as much veracity as equating a cigar to a penis. I'm older than Minecraft goats.
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