Louis Theroux

adox · 08-10-2017 11:34pm

NIMAN wrote: »

A sad watch. That town really is in serious trouble

Yet again another programme that makes you wonder why someone ever starts taking drugs?

Does any drug addict anywhere ever think before their first ever hit, "I honestly know this is going to improve my life".

Well the vast majority of those interviewed were prescribed and addicted to legal painkillers etc, which was a big narrative of the whole story.

Also I would guess that most drug addicts start on the slippery slope at a very young age when you really aren’t going to think beyond the short term, when you feel you are invincible and of course won’t become addicted or have any understanding of what that will entail.

Sure look at our country. Self medicating which alcohol and a huge addiction problem with it. The programme could be seen as a metaphor for our own predicament here in a way.

NIMAN · 09-10-2017 8:29am

Considering the war on drugs is well lost by now, I wondered about the fight to revive those who have overdosed, many lying in back lanes.

That example we seen, there was about 8 highly paid professionals around that guy. It's costing a fortune to be a source of help to those who are likely never to be anything but a drain on society.

Guys like that are being saved to OD again.

Maybe time to let natural selection takes its course?

Too harsh?

E mac · 09-10-2017 9:47am

Of all the shocking scenes in the episode the girl leaving the tent was the one for me. As the guy said wait till you see her in a few months.

The Black Oil · 15-10-2017 10:08pm

Very sad episode tonight, so much human misery in an hour of television. I'm not sure what was harder to watch - Nikki who was misreable and trapped, or the 18 year old who potentially has a whole life ahead of her, signed herself out of treatment with the counsellor saying she didn't want her to die. The guy in prison was a nasty piece of work.

FouxDaFaFa · 17-10-2017 11:26pm

I thought the most recent episode was great. I had no idea that the women typically give all their money to their pimp, it blew my mind. But you start to understand how that happens and why they would take that deal when you hear some of their stories.

briany · 18-10-2017 12:43am

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I thought the most recent episode was great. I had no idea that the women typically give all their money to their pimp, it blew my mind. But you start to understand how that happens and why they would take that deal when you hear some of their stories.

You see that one woman, Nikki, was saying how she loves her job, and her pimp has given her life a sense of focus and direction, but she's saying all this with a kind of joyless dead-eyed expression on her face. She loves her pimp, but she's also panicking, having a mini-breakdown when she realises she's lost the previous night's earnings because she knows that will earn her a beating.

Crazy stuff.

Perhaps Louis is repeating himself a bit, though. He's previously done a show on prostitution, albeit legal prostitution. He's also already done one on a drugs-ravaged town in The City Addicted to Crystal Meth. I wouldn't mind, but he said on a podcast that he doesn't like to get too lost in his own ouevre. Different sides to a different issue in the case of prostitution, perhaps, but very similar in the drugs ones.

And I do miss the old Louis sometimes - the somewhat more lighthearted subject matters and approach. Although I very much enjoy all his documentaries, maybe it would be a good idea to go with a lighter subject once in a while before he turns into Nick Broomfield, who's also a great film-maker, but quite serious in affect, and I feel it hurts his ability to form a rapport somewhat.

greenspurs · 18-10-2017 10:40am

briany wrote: »

You see that one woman, Nikki, was saying how she loves her job, and her pimp has given her life a sense of focus and direction, but she's saying all this with a kind of joyless dead-eyed expression on her face. She loves her pimp, but she's also panicking, having a mini-breakdown when she realises she's lost the previous night's earnings because she knows that will earn her a beating.

Crazy stuff.

Perhaps Louis is repeating himself a bit, though. He's previously done a show on prostitution, albeit legal prostitution. He's also already done one on a drugs-ravaged town in The City Addicted to Crystal Meth. I wouldn't mind, but he said on a podcast that he doesn't like to get too lost in his own ouevre. Different sides to a different issue in the case of prostitution, perhaps, but very similar in the drugs ones.

And I do miss the old Louis sometimes - the somewhat more lighthearted subject matters and approach. Although I very much enjoy all his documentaries, maybe it would be a good idea to go with a lighter subject once in a while before he turns into Nick Broomfield, who's also a great film-maker, but quite serious in affect, and I feel it hurts his ability to form a rapport somewhat.

You must love "Living with Lucy" then .............. :rolleyes:

The Black Oil · 18-10-2017 12:03pm

briany wrote: »

Perhaps Louis is repeating himself a bit, though. He's previously done a show on prostitution, albeit legal prostitution. He's also already done one on a drugs-ravaged town in The City Addicted to Crystal Meth. I wouldn't mind, but he said on a podcast that he doesn't like to get too lost in his own ouevre. Different sides to a different issue in the case of prostitution, perhaps, but very similar in the drugs ones.

I wouldn't have a great memory as regards the running order (when they were made or how scattered they were by subject matter) of his past docs. I do vaguely recall the meth one. Only thing I can think of is that the drugs issue has become more of a focus in the US, particularly opioids. I have heard this on NPR's Embedded podcast too. I don't recall the previous prostitution one. Wasn't there some stat or some quote in last Sunday's about Houston having a particular problem, or was that just the so called track area?

briany · 18-10-2017 12:53pm

The Black Oil wrote: »

I wouldn't have a great memory as regards the running order (when they were made or how scattered they were by subject matter) of his past docs. I do vaguely recall the meth one. Only thing I can think of is that the drugs issue has become more of a focus in the US, particularly opioids. I have heard this on NPR's Embedded podcast too. I don't recall the previous prostitution one. Wasn't there some stat or some quote in last Sunday's about Houston having a particular problem, or was that just the so called track area?

I think the opioid crisis has been going on for quite a while in that part of the USA. Seems like the root of the opioid crisis in Huntington, VA shares the same roots as the one in Oceania, VA (and perhaps many other towns around the state). A similar documentary called Oxyana covers the Oxycontin epidemic in the latter town.

Question - What's with the difference in how heroin seems to affect people? Between the spectrum of being in a nodding stupor, through to injecting it and then standing up and just seeming relatively normal? And yes, I know about the idea of tolerance, but take the two long time users in the documentary, Katillia, and the guy living in the tent. The first didn't seem too affected when she shot up, but the guy had that kind of sleepy affect you'd associate with a heroin addict. And then you might see a junkie in town, and they look like they'd have a tolerance, but it's not uncommon to see them in that stupified state.

BaZmO* · 18-10-2017 9:44pm

Just on the subject of Louis repeating himself with the subject matter. I read an interview with him recently and he said that he was under pressure to release 3 docs this year so he went back to subjects he was familiar with.

He also said that he’s currently working on a doc about Trump supporters.

briany · 19-10-2017 12:46pm

BaZmO* wrote: »

Just on the subject of Louis repeating himself with the subject matter. I read an interview with him recently and he said that he was under pressure to release 3 docs this year so he went back to subjects he was familiar with.

He also said that he’s currently working on a doc about Trump supporters.

If he were working as a cottage operation, I'd say that 3 might be hard to pull off, but he's got a whole team behind him.

I'll watch the hell out of that Trump supporters one if he finishes it. There's actually more scope, there. He could talk to both the really right wing Trump supporters and/or Alt Right people, and then also the really left wing Bernie Sanders supporters and/or AntiFa.

Could do a lot of stuff relating to Internet phenomena. I'd like to see him do one on Vloggers, both successful and struggling. You can imagine some of the personalities you'd uncover in that game. Feminists and/or Men's rights people, looking at the extreme ends of those issues would be very interesting as well. 4 Chan and trolling communities. Lot of interesting stories that have cropped up in the last decade or so that would feel fresh.

RocketRaccoon · 19-10-2017 12:49pm

I know he already went back but I would love a follow up on the Phelps to see what they're up to now in Trumps America.

frag420 · 19-10-2017 12:52pm

I believe it's down to quality and if any adulterants have been added.

I know of two doctors here in London who semi regular use heroin but what they use is hospital grade, no adultarants and they know the source!

It's a recreational thing for them, maybe 2-3 times per year.

briany wrote: »

I think the opioid crisis has been going on for quite a while in that part of the USA. Seems like the root of the opioid crisis in Huntington, VA shares the same roots as the one in Oceania, VA (and perhaps many other towns around the state). A similar documentary called Oxyana covers the Oxycontin epidemic in the latter town.

Question - What's with the difference in how heroin seems to affect people? Between the spectrum of being in a nodding stupor, through to injecting it and then standing up and just seeming relatively normal? And yes, I know about the idea of tolerance, but take the two long time users in the documentary, Katillia, and the guy living in the tent. The first didn't seem too affected when she shot up, but the guy had that kind of sleepy affect you'd associate with a heroin addict. And then you might see a junkie in town, and they look like they'd have a tolerance, but it's not uncommon to see them in that stupified state.

briany · 23-10-2017 9:04pm

Last night's episode wasn't a huge revelation if you've ever seen a show like The Wire, but was a reminder of the vicious cycle of violence that continues to plague lower-class black neighbourhoods in USA, and it's a pattern that can be seen around the world. Broken families, a tenuous code of morality and a adversarial relationship with authority. Sad, and it's hard to see a way out of it.

My name is URL · 29-10-2017 9:02pm

I didn't see it mentioned before but there's an episode on tonight at 9 about anorexia

MadDog76 · 30-10-2017 9:51am

My Scientology Movie is airing next Sunday night at 9.00pm on BBC2 ........

......... never got a chance to see this one, so looking forward to it!

FouxDaFaFa · 31-10-2017 3:36pm

Couple of things stood out to me from Sunday's episode on Anorexia.

Louis seemed more distressed at times than I can recall him being when dealing with other difficult issues.

Also, I found it fascinating how the women and girls in the facility all had such a similar way about them - the way they carried themselves, how deliberate their movements were when eating, a bit of a thousand-yard stare, selectively introspective.

I'm astonished that older woman is still alive with what she's surviving on.

Matt.ie · 31-10-2017 7:32pm

FouxDaFaFa wrote:

Couple of things stood out to me from Sunday's episode on Anorexia.

FouxDaFaFa wrote:

Louis seemed more distressed at times than I can recall him being when dealing with other difficult issues.

For some very peculiar reason,I was unable to watch the most of the programme. I saw as far as the 60 year old woman eating bits of the cracker,so it was at the beginning.

I found it very disturbing like Louis no doubt who appeared visibly moved by the interaction with the sufferers.

The Black Oil · 04-11-2017 11:36pm

Very sad episode. The woman in her 60s had some quite troubling experiences going back many years, but did seem to a little bit of energy about her. However, I think it was Jess (?) the young 20 something who came across as the most numbed by the illness, when she talked about wanting a break from her head.

Louis's own distress was palpable too.

johnpatrick81 · 06-11-2017 1:45pm

Hi Scientology movie was very disappointing. Not a patch on Going Clear.

He's massively better when he's in the thick of it. Surprised they released it at all considering it was just re-hashing stuff from other ones.

BaZmO* · 04-11-2018 6:42pm

Just a heads up, Louis is back tonight on BBC2 with a new documentary. Altered States: Love Without Limits. He explores whether the traditional model of marriage is fit for purpose.

Nothing like a Louis Theroux documentary on a Sunday night!

EPAndlee · 04-11-2018 7:02pm

Nothing like a Louis documentary to round off the weekend

The Royal Scam · 04-11-2018 11:39pm

Its not on ! Or is it just me that cannot see it on BBC?

EPAndlee · 04-11-2018 11:40pm

The Royal Scam wrote: »

Its not on ! Or is it just me that cannot see it on BBC?

BBC 2

The Royal Scam · 04-11-2018 11:45pm

EPAndlee wrote: »

BBC 2

I can see it on my paper for 10.30 for BBC2 but there is a program about slavery on my BBC2 , Im confused.

ricero · 04-11-2018 11:47pm

Absolute liberal freaks. That poor guy at the start is such a cuck

EPAndlee · 04-11-2018 11:53pm

I can't comprehend these peoples lifestyles

RocketRaccoon · 05-11-2018 12:04am

The Royal Scam wrote: »

I can see it on my paper for 10.30 for BBC2 but there is a program about slavery on my BBC2 , Im confused.

It was on at 9

Zaph · 05-11-2018 12:15am

ricero wrote: »

Absolute liberal freaks. That poor guy at the start is such a cuck

So because people enjoy a lifestyle that's not for you (or admittedly for me either) you trot out the standard ridiculous right-wing, toxic masculinity bullsh*t line? What harm are those people and their lifestyle doing you?

Damien360 · 05-11-2018 12:17am

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

It was on at 9

Probably depends on BBC or BBC NI. It's on now on NI broadcast.

Polymorphic couples. Some really odd people. Sexually, who cares but there are a few that need to be cared for in a mental institution with no sarcasm whatsoever.

How does he find these people for his various shows ?

Damien360 · 05-11-2018 12:20am

Giver receiver section in house with people touching/kissing but no riding. I've never seen anyone as awkward and lost. Poor Louis.

Damien360 · 05-11-2018 12:20am

Double post

ricero · 05-11-2018 12:29am

Zaph wrote: »

So because people enjoy a lifestyle that's not for you (or admittedly for me either) you trot out the standard ridiculous right-wing, toxic masculinity bullsh*t line? What harm are those people and their lifestyle doing you?

Perhaps freaks was a strong word but i can only imagine the damage these people have done to their kids mentally. The couple who decided to not assign their baby a gender say all i need to know about these people.

To me most of them actually didnt seem happy. That poor Jerry guy is a tortuted soul.

BaZmO* · 05-11-2018 12:49am

Exactly! Im pretty open minded and my philosophy would be, as long as you’re doing no harm, there but for the grace of God. But it was obvious that this wasn’t a two way thing. It just smacked of selfishness. Jerry was tortured by the the whole situation and his wife just wanted her cake. It was all just a protracted long goodbye. Can’t be healthy for the kids involved either.

06-11-2018 2:00am

ricero wrote: »

Perhaps freaks was a strong word but i can only imagine the damage these people have done to their kids mentally. The couple who decided to not assign their baby a gender say all i need to know about these people.

To me most of them actually didnt seem happy. That poor Jerry guy is a tortuted soul.

Damage to their kids? Really? Like what?

kona · 06-11-2018 2:10am

ricero wrote: »

To me most of them actually didnt seem happy. That poor Jerry guy is a tortuted soul.

I wouldn't want to be around when he cracks. His wife and himself are both weak. The other lad comes across as a complete and utter creep and his wife gretchen clearly just doesnt give a bollix and is probably a lesbian.

Disgusting way to treat somebody.

Babooshka · 07-11-2018 12:55am

kona wrote: »

I wouldn't want to be around when he cracks. His wife and himself are both weak. The other lad comes across as a complete and utter creep and his wife gretchen clearly just doesnt give a bollix and is probably a lesbian.

Disgusting way to treat somebody.

you joking me...Gerry's wife is weak? She was all hugs and ooh and I love you till the end when Louix put it to her that her husband was suffering...you could see her anger spilling out that she wasn't expecting the situation and she'd lost control of it...Poor pathetic Gerry her husband admitted he'd be happy just watching her and Joe get it on if she'd even allow that. She said, unequivocally no to that - watching her tell her own husband he's excluded from her sex life when she preached about non exclusive relationships is absolutely beautiful irony at its best here.

Maybe polygamy for some relationships might end up on equal terms but that relationship wasn't one of them. In that situation yes, it's very damaging to a child as the kid will see the inequality and take cues from it. Unbelievable. To me that woman was the biggest bitch going. Funny that in all 3 stories the women were running the show... they all instigated the polygamy.

As for not assigning a gender to your child? those people just refuse to grow up. You don't trump nature, you complete twats. I just wanted to slap my TV so much watching this they were a gang of damaged juvenile twits who didn't want responsibility. Pity the kids.

07-11-2018 1:25am

I'm curious of what happens with these genderless childs. When do they decide their gender?

07-11-2018 12:50pm

Babooshka wrote: »

you joking me...Gerry's wife is weak? She was all hugs and ooh and I love you till the end when Louix put it to her that her husband was suffering...you could see her anger spilling out that she wasn't expecting the situation and she'd lost control of it...Poor pathetic Gerry her husband admitted he'd be happy just watching her and Joe get it on if she'd even allow that. She said, unequivocally no to that - watching her tell her own husband he's excluded from her sex life when she preached about non exclusive relationships is absolutely beautiful irony at its best here.

Maybe polygamy for some relationships might end up on equal terms but that relationship wasn't one of them. In that situation yes, it's very damaging to a child as the kid will see the inequality and take cues from it. Unbelievable. To me that woman was the biggest bitch going. Funny that in all 3 stories the women were running the show... they all instigated the polygamy.

As for not assigning a gender to your child? those people just refuse to grow up. You don't trump nature, you complete twats. I just wanted to slap my TV so much watching this they were a gang of damaged juvenile twits who didn't want responsibility. Pity the kids.

I'm struggling to see how any of this is damaging to a child.

How are they refusing to grow up?

No you don't trump nature but the majority of what gender is is constructed by us. Nature didn't dictate that boys wear blue and play with tonka trucks.

Babooshka · 07-11-2018 1:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm struggling to see how any of this is damaging to a child.

How are they refusing to grow up?

No you don't trump nature but the majority of what gender is is constructed by us. Nature didn't dictate that boys wear blue and play with tonka trucks.

That woman married to Gerry (I can't remember her name) just wanted her cake and eat it, you could quite clearly see that she didn't have any attraction for her husband any more and you can dress it up in whatever BS you want to (her I'm referring to...) but if it walks like a duck. She also had them all playing along in this "we all have a great life tra la la" fantasy where the daughter hugs the other concubine as though they're all great friends, and it was so fake and forced looking, as soon as she got questioned by Louis her front fizzled away and her true controlling personality shone through. She wants her husband to roll over and play along rather than divorce him fine, but she was using her issues and dressing them up in a poly relationship to disguise it. He was completely down in his boots, no self esteem, you could tell a million miles off the man was utterly broken, if you didn't see that, that's ok, I did. How that is healthy for any child as parental role models, I have no idea. The issue wasn't with polygamy for me, it was with a farcical pretence set up in that womans head with the two poor fools playing along.

Joe's wife told Louis that Gerry's wife asked for 4 more days of Joe's company and she refused - she refused, not Joe, they were speaking about him as if he was a posession, both of them here...if that was 2 men discussing a woman there would be uproar. But because it's all dressed up as free loving liberalism we're all meant to act hey, it's all good, everyone's happy. The only person happy was the woman married to Gerry, the other woman was just happy her husband wasn't jumping on her for sex any more, and the whole thing was pretty dysfunctional.

Regarding the gender issue, they didn't say that they weren't raising the child with gender constraints, they refused to refer to the child as any particular gender, which again just smacks of juvenile BS but if you disagree you disagree I won't get into an argument with you, I thought it was f*7ing ridiculous. A micky means male, a fanny is female, nature has spoken. If you refuse to start calling a duck a duck because it may want to be a goose, that's grand, you can all just refer to everything as it from now on. Not me though. I'm old school like that.

07-11-2018 4:51pm

Babooshka wrote: »

That woman married to Gerry (I can't remember her name) just wanted her cake and eat it, you could quite clearly see that she didn't have any attraction for her husband any more and you can dress it up in whatever BS you want to (her I'm referring to...) but if it walks like a duck. She also had them all playing along in this "we all have a great life tra la la" fantasy where the daughter hugs the other concubine as though they're all great friends, and it was so fake and forced looking, as soon as she got questioned by Louis her front fizzled away and her true controlling personality shone through. She wants her husband to roll over and play along rather than divorce him fine, but she was using her issues and dressing them up in a poly relationship to disguise it. He was completely down in his boots, no self esteem, you could tell a million miles off the man was utterly broken, if you didn't see that, that's ok, I did. How that is healthy for any child as parental role models, I have no idea. The issue wasn't with polygamy for me, it was with a farcical pretence set up in that womans head with the two poor fools playing along.

Joe's wife told Louis that Gerry's wife asked for 4 more days of Joe's company and she refused - she refused, not Joe, they were speaking about him as if he was a posession, both of them here...if that was 2 men discussing a woman there would be uproar. But because it's all dressed up as free loving liberalism we're all meant to act hey, it's all good, everyone's happy. The only person happy was the woman married to Gerry, the other woman was just happy her husband wasn't jumping on her for sex any more, and the whole thing was pretty dysfunctional.

Regarding the gender issue, they didn't say that they weren't raising the child with gender constraints, they refused to refer to the child as any particular gender, which again just smacks of juvenile BS but if you disagree you disagree I won't get into an argument with you, I thought it was f*7ing ridiculous. A micky means male, a fanny is female, nature has spoken. If you refuse to start calling a duck a duck because it may want to be a goose, that's grand, you can all just refer to everything as it from now on. Not me though. I'm old school like that.

With regards to damaging the children, I think breaking up a stable home with multiple carers would be more damaging than their current situation.

Regarding the gender issue, again I don't think juvenile would the best word to use if you trying to criticise it. I don't understand what is juvenile about trying a radically different method to raising a child. While I wouldn't be raising my children to be gender neutral, I can understand where the idea comes from. These people think nurture has a far greater role in developing a person than nature, and I would agree to a degree. Raising a "theyby" is an extension of avoiding the gender constraints that our society has created. I'd imagine if you asked them what sex their child was, they'd tell you male or female. But its the gender that is ambiguous. If you don't think pushing gender roles on children and people is a bad idea, I'll refer you the suicide rates in men vs women in ireland. I think this is direct result of telling our boys to be stoic and "man up". I have no evidence for that correlation but that's my opinion. As someone who has been directly affected by suicide, I'm all for breaking down these gender norms.

But calling a boy a girl and visa-versa, nah that's not the right way to go about it.

Babooshka · 07-11-2018 8:05pm

But I think it is juvenile. The word male describes a male child. If the boy or man decides to trans later in life I'll describe him as a woman when he does but until he does he is a he/boy/man in my dictionary not an "it" and obviously the same for a girl/woman. Labelling a child "it" or "gender fluid" is just another label, like boy, like girl. There's nothing radically difderent in doing so imo and you're not going to change my mind on that.

I have a daughter I don't dress her in pink all the time and she plays with lego, trucks and soldiers as well as princess and dress up girly stuff and we teach her that it's ok to be her no matter what way that "her" comes out. There's no need to go about raising your children in an in your face "don't you dare call my son a boy" manner, I think it's silly, rather ridiculous & it isn't radical or different, it's rather immature and attention seeking. I think I've explained my viewpoint and why I think it's juvenile. You're free to disagree but I'm finished explaining now.

Edit: I see you just said you imagine they'd say whether the child was male or female. But they didn't. It was announced at the end of the programme that they didn't want to push a gender onto their child so we didn't find out if they had a boy or a girl because they weren't comfortable saying... (juvenile) That was the whole point of my rant. Gender constraints is a completely different issue. But being so pedantic about describing your childs anatomy by refusing to say "he" or "she" is a tad too far for me . I think you're confusing two issues. I wholehertedly agree it's bad to make boys feel they can't cry and should man up and other such gender stereotypes but that is not the issue I was ranting over so ive no idea why you're bringing it up with me.

Babooshka · 07-11-2018 8:26pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

With regards to damaging the children, I think breaking up a stable home with multiple carers would be more damaging than their current situation.

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I think many seperated and divorced couples would take huge issue with you on this. Enough mature couples are capable of separation and introducing new stable loving partners to their kids (or raising them and sharing custody or going it alone or whatever) and they're not all damaged in the crossfire. Only happens when there's a serious power struggle going on or the couples are very immature and selfish. Kind of like poor Gerry and his wife who acts like a lovesick teenager around Joe.

Basq · 13-11-2018 5:48pm

Heads-up.. the next episode of Altered States - Choosing Death - is on next Sunday at 9pm on BBC2.

TJ Mackie · 18-11-2018 11:29pm

That was a very tough watch at the end.

RocketRaccoon · 18-11-2018 11:41pm

That was rough!

krustydoyle · 22-11-2018 1:18am

Jaysus just caught the repeat..

That ending was very hard to watch

cloudatlas · 24-11-2018 1:00pm

Babooshka wrote: »

That woman married to Gerry (I can't remember her name) just wanted her cake and eat it, you could quite clearly see that she didn't have any attraction for her husband any more and you can dress it up in whatever BS you want to (her I'm referring to...) but if it walks like a duck. She also had them all playing along in this "we all have a great life tra la la" fantasy where the daughter hugs the other concubine as though they're all great friends, and it was so fake and forced looking, as soon as she got questioned by Louis her front fizzled away and her true controlling personality shone through. She wants her husband to roll over and play along rather than divorce him fine, but she was using her issues and dressing them up in a poly relationship to disguise it. He was completely down in his boots, no self esteem, you could tell a million miles off the man was utterly broken, if you didn't see that, that's ok, I did. How that is healthy for any child as parental role models, I have no idea. The issue wasn't with polygamy for me, it was with a farcical pretence set up in that womans head with the two poor fools playing along.

Joe's wife told Louis that Gerry's wife asked for 4 more days of Joe's company and she refused - she refused, not Joe, they were speaking about him as if he was a posession, both of them here...if that was 2 men discussing a woman there would be uproar. But because it's all dressed up as free loving liberalism we're all meant to act hey, it's all good, everyone's happy. The only person happy was the woman married to Gerry, the other woman was just happy her husband wasn't jumping on her for sex any more, and the whole thing was pretty dysfunctional.

Regarding the gender issue, they didn't say that they weren't raising the child with gender constraints, they refused to refer to the child as any particular gender, which again just smacks of juvenile BS but if you disagree you disagree I won't get into an argument with you, I thought it was f*7ing ridiculous. A micky means male, a fanny is female, nature has spoken. If you refuse to start calling a duck a duck because it may want to be a goose, that's grand, you can all just refer to everything as it from now on. Not me though. I'm old school like that.

Jerry knows the deal, you are acting like he is a poor helpless victim who doesn't have a choice. He can call quits. Jerry has agency in this situation to suggest otherwise is naive.

Furthermore: the fact that you describe one of the women as a concubine and don't remember their names betrays misogyny.

Regarding the gender issue people like you who act with hostility against non-binary is really strange, how exactly does it effect you? not one bit in reality, I can understand laughing a little bit about the linguistic awkwardness from not knowing the correct pronouns but the anger really is sad. I have non binary friends and they are happy it's not an issue for me I don't need to put sticky labels on people to feel secure in myself.

PressRun · 28-11-2018 6:03pm

Watched the polygamy one. The whole thing just seems like a lot of emotional labour with very little reward in return. To each their own and all that, but the constantly changing relationship dynamics just seems emotionally exhausting and it didn't seem like any of them wanted to be honest about that. I couldn't be arsed with it myself.

BaZmO* · 04-03-2019 10:10pm

There’s a new one on now! It’s a look at how college campuses deal with accusations of sexual assault.

Don’t why it didn’t come up my radar until now. I’m sure it’ll be repeated.

Louis Theroux

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