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Tips on building a low cost holiday chalet.

  • 24-08-2015 12:25pm
    #1
    nantony98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭


    I would like to build a holiday chalet in Donegal and was hoping to get some advice and tips.

    Ideally I would build ahouse but this is not financially possible atm. What I'm looking for is advice on how I could build a chalet as inexpensively as possible. I had considered a static caravan but the area is so exposed these only last a few years before having to be replaced.

    So I'm thinking block built 20 x 30ish size. I would have the building work done and do as much inside as possible myself.

    I thought if I put in electrical heating initially this could save money over an oil c/h system and it would largely be used in the summer anyway.

    Can I buy and use second hand doors and windows?
    What type of roofing would you recommend?
    I was thinking of not installing a hot water tank and just having an electrical water heatera t the bathroom and kitchen. Any thoughts?
    Single pendant lights in the rooms as electricalw ork is expensive.

    Please feel free to add or shoot down my ideas.

    I would like to spend less than 40k otherwise I'd be better off buying somewhere.

    Any advice gratefully received.


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  • #2
    nantony98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭nantony98


    snip/

    This was part of my inspiration.


  • #3
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Buy a decent RV

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • #4
    draiochtanois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭draiochtanois


    This post has been deleted.


  • #5
    nantony98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭nantony98


    Calahonda52 wrote: »
    Buy a decent RV

    I love the idea of an rv but it's not what I'm looking for at this point.


  • #6
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    ...have you PP already ?

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #7
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ...have you PP already ?

    I suspect not, given this from first post
    I would like to spend less than 40k otherwise I'd be better off buying somewhere.

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • #8
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,831 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    nantony98 wrote: »
    I love the idea of an rv but it's not what I'm looking for at this point.

    If you build anything for habitation, it must have planning permission And must comply with building regulations.

    The fact that it would only be used a couple of weeks / months a year is not a factor, it would still be considered a house.


  • #9
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    nantony98 wrote: »
    I would like to build a holiday chalet in Donegal and was hoping to get some advice and tips.

    Ideally I would build ahouse but this is not financially possible atm. What I'm looking for is advice on how I could build a chalet as inexpensively as possible. I had considered a static caravan but the area is so exposed these only last a few years before having to be replaced.

    So I'm thinking block built 20 x 30ish size. I would have the building work done and do as much inside as possible myself.

    I thought if I put in electrical heating initially this could save money over an oil c/h system and it would largely be used in the summer anyway.

    Can I buy and use second hand doors and windows?
    What type of roofing would you recommend?
    I was thinking of not installing a hot water tank and just having an electrical water heatera t the bathroom and kitchen. Any thoughts?
    Single pendant lights in the rooms as electricalw ork is expensive.

    Please feel free to add or shoot down my ideas.

    I would like to spend less than 40k otherwise I'd be better off buying somewhere.

    Any advice gratefully received.

    Engage Architect/Engineer/Technician.
    Get Planning.
    Get Construction Drawings.
    Commenc eon site under strict supervision from your architect/Engineer/Surveyor.

    You need to comply with the Building Regulations so i dont think your plan is possible im afraid :(


  • #10
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,831 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    draiochtanois wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    which I did over two years with the help of friends, family, neighbours and a few specialists
    ;)


  • #11
    draiochtanois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭draiochtanois


    This post has been deleted.


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  • #12
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,831 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    draiochtanois wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    i was just making the point that the "headline" is often misleading....


  • #13
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    draiochtanois wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Won't work. A habitable house cannot be done for that budget.
    Please note, while all this is still possible in Ireland, it is imperative that you have an assigned certifier who may be an architect or engineer to advise you at all stages of the project.


  • #14
    nantony98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭nantony98


    I can get a prefabricated cabin of this size for 30k but I would prefer a brick built structure. It would be a shame if I had to buy a cabin from NI rather than give work to local builders. I have no idea how much professional fees would be for such a small simple structure, any ideas.


  • #15
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    nantony98 wrote: »
    I can get a prefabricated cabin of this size for 30k but I would prefer a brick built structure. It would be a shame if I had to buy a cabin from NI rather than give work to local builders. I have no idea how much professional fees would be for such a small simple structure, any ideas.

    Planning application -3k ish maybe less, maybe more.
    ESB, water, drainage connections - 7k maybe more
    Compliance with our building regulations - a lot more than 30k!!!!!


  • #16
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    I've deleted some posts, no need to start that spat again, thanks

    OP
    It's a new house, it has to meet current building regs, and building control regs, encompassing current insulation levels, glazing, renewable requirements etc

    Over 1000 pages of guidelines which can be found at http://www.environ.ie/en/TGD/


  • #17
    nantony98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭nantony98


    I'm not opposed to complying with building regs. Can't avoid it.
    Just thought we could identify unnecessary items of a build to keep cost to a minimum.
    Utilities and consultants fees seem to be the biggest obstacle to building a small home cheaply.


  • #18
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    nantony98 wrote: »
    I'm not opposed to complying with building regs. Can't avoid it.
    Just thought we could identify unnecessary items of a build to keep cost to a minimum.
    Utilities and consultants fees seem to be the biggest obstacle to building a small home cheaply.

    No, even with the costs of utilities, planning and professional fees etc, your budget is too low.

    I was looking at holiday cabins (abroad) 3 weeks ago, and even a small prefab with zero insulation (as you'd need here) would cost more than your budget.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #19
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    nantony98 wrote: »
    I'm not opposed to complying with building regs. Can't avoid it.
    Just thought we could identify unnecessary items of a build to keep cost to a minimum.
    Utilities and consultants fees seem to be the biggest obstacle to building a small home cheaply.

    Why does everyone see consultant fees as the main obstacle to building?

    >legislators brought in the building control fiasco - hogan effectively made many arch techs unable to do business over night! While adding the very real costs of certification to the consumer.
    > Or the Department of the environment for giving us circa 1000 pages of building regs we are required to follow since the end of the boom? Which include some questionable renewable requirements amongst a others.
    > and the legislators in Europe who have given us CE markings and 1000's of pages of hEN's driving CE markings? Look at what this has done to steel fabricating!
    > or The vat on building materials?
    > Or council fees?
    > Or the stamp duty?

    Did anyone see the TV show about rural Ireland last night? Did anyone look at that and think perhaps we have higher costs of living/ building because we feel entitled to live in rural Ireland even though many of us commute to urban areas, with costly services, spending lots in fuel, with not enough people to warrant functioning public transport system...

    Rant over
    Have a nice day


  • #20
    nantony98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭nantony98


    So, if my budget is too low what should a minimum budget be for such a build. I know the old how long is a piece of string..... Just ball park me.


  • #21
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    https://www.scsi.ie/documents/get_lob?id=56&field=file


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  • #22
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    nantony98 wrote: »
    So, if my budget is too low what should a minimum budget be for such a build. I know the old how long is a piece of string..... Just ball park me.

    Fully finished, 80k

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #23
    nantony98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭nantony98


    Cheers, appreciate the replies.
    Anyone got a lend of 40k!


  • #24
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    nantony98 wrote: »
    Cheers, appreciate the replies.
    Anyone got a lend of 40k!

    I got an email from my friend in Nigeria, he said I have inherited 4 Million Dollars. I can forward it to you if you like :D


  • #25
    umop apisdn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭umop apisdn


    Build a large farming style shed and put a mobile home inside it, and bob's your hillbilly uncle. You can work on your cars in there as well. Pure bachelor bliss.


  • #26
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    umop apisdn wrote: »
    Build a large farming style shed and put a mobile home inside it, and bob's your hillbilly uncle. You can work on your cars in there as well. Pure bachelor bliss.
    we obey the planning laws in this forum. No more of this. Thanks


  • #27
    nantony98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭nantony98


    BryanF wrote: »
    we obey the planning laws in this forum. No more of this. Thanks

    I really don't see how this would be in contravention of planning laws as long as you had planning permission for the shed...although there could be a clause to say must not be used as a dwelling.
    Anyway not relevant as I'm not going down this road. Thanks for the input though.

    Just as an update, I really feel that 80k for a chalet is insane but is probably an accurate figure. I believe that for not much more I could have a decent size house built. So I'm going to investigate both avenues small cabinand 100+k house and see what makes most sense.


  • #28
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    nantony98 wrote: »
    Just as an update, I really feel that 80k for a chalet is insane but is probably an accurate figure. I believe that for not much more I could have a decent size house built. So I'm going to investigate both avenues small cabinand 100+k house and see what makes most sense.

    ...define 'chalet' for us then.

    There is no difference in Building Regulations between what you're calling a 'chalet' and a 'house'. So, at 80k, you're 20k below your 100k budget. Win of the day, that.

    And if you think you can build a 'house' for 100k............well.........I know the numbers are what you 'believe', but as someone pricing stuff all day every day I can attest your belief is well-meaning, but misplaced.

    Consider: I've priced a 4.9m x 3.1m one today for 30k.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #29
    gooner99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭gooner99


    This may be of interest to you.Not sure what price it can be achieved for at present in order to meets current regs and building controls.

    -snip-


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