Gas Boiler Recommendations

Dtp1979 wrote: »

The ideal logic is a cheap basic boiler that works. As far as I know their warranty does not extend to rep of Ireland. What controls are you talking about?

Ok, I saw the price and it seems it is a similar price to buy, although I think there might be better value in the plumber/installer buying it than me.

Regarding controls, I meant, what controls are on that boiler type, Ive seen a manual online for a logic + 24, that showed a basic mechanical timeclock (seems optional, maybe even unnecessary), buttons to control the heat (although that may have been a combi version which I am not plumbed for) but Ive read it can modulate down to 4.8 or 5kw so maybe its applicable. I think the 24 refers to the kw's of the boiler, 24 seems like a lot, when my own is 15-18kw (edit, just under 15 seems to be the output) the last I checked and it still used to cycle a lot more before the stat was fitted once things get up to temp, this made me think it was too large a capacity, although it would never get rooms above 22 degrees or 20 in the cold, that was still enough for me.

also regarding controls, I found an installer site with fitting cost for a boiler and flush and other things that seem standard and necessary, or fitting with other controls such as programmer,trvs and thermostats, but which cost 1000 more for that, If these controls already exist, I dont think there would be any changes to be made other than connect the existing programmer and controls to the boiler, as there seemed to be a 1000 charge for fitting the kind of controls that already exist.

DGOBS wrote: »

The logic is a very good boiler with basic controls/parameters much like the WB and is fully warranties in Ireland and a boiler I have had little trouble with.

It would even seem the new Baxi have now opted for a similar heatexchanger design, moving away from the gianani type.

I read it was modulating, down to around 5kw.
The only thing Im really trying to find out is what the boiler is like now, after some years of use, what the experience is like with them?
Ive read some reviews of when they came out and initially people seemed to be concerned due to how Ideal as a company and some of their other boilers were at the time, but having read since, it seemed that the logic was a return to a good boiler made by them.
I also read of problems with previous Ideal boilers heat exchangers and that the logic has an alloy exchanger rather than a stainless steel one (not sure if thats Aluminium alloy or something else,I gather its not Stainless steel, even though Stainless Steel is an alloy anyway), and that this might have caused problems (the alloy one) or was thought might.

Other concerns are IS813, my house is post 96/97, Id hope its up to standard, but cant see any bonding of the gas supply pipe inside the house, I'd like to think this is hidden away but think this could be checked by testing the continuity between the pipe and earth. It does however look like a 15mm pipe, coming up to the boiler and another pipe also is embedded in the wall behind the cooker which feeds the gas hob, also 15mm.
There may be another pipe 22mm pipe from the meter feeding both of these?, but the supply pipe is hidden away, I could look at the meter, just dont want it to be considered necessary to fit another pipe as the current one serves the purpose fine, I cant see where it could be fitted except externally, this would be more exposed to harm and ugly if it was needed and in my opinion less safe, when its likely to require supplying a smaller capacity? more efficient boiler?.

yipeeeee wrote: »

I know a lot of boilers are packing up with the aluminium heat exchangers.

Might be time to revert back to stainless or mild steel.

Which boilers don't have aluminium?

Not saying it isnt the case, but is there somehwere that shows this is? ie where boiler reliability can be compared, other than owners views?
I did check and seems there is a 15 and 18kw version too, or maybe its just a different nozzle or calibrated differently?
The flue appears only to be able top come out the top in an uncovered way, mine is hidden from view, I'll have to check the dimensions, it may mean this would have to be fitted lower, I still am not sure how it is meant to be cheaper as a few sites showed it at a similar price to an Ariston, so maybe that is the better buy if it has a SS heat exchanger.

Really was hoping someone would come along and know the extras are available, it seems to have weather compensation, Im not sure if the outdoor sensor has to be fitted for it to modulate, and trying to determine do all/most boilers come with an automatic pump, ie that runs at the best speed, the blurb on the ideal site seems to suggest this http://www.idealheating.ie/products/controls.php
my pump is not energy rated and has a switch on it where it has been set from day one.

yipeeeee wrote: »

Yeah thought that, they are seen an increase in sales i believe.

Likewise? getting put off anything without SS now, mine is definitely not SS, Id say cast iron.

Do they just connect it into the existing system? where the programmer is?
I read somewhere on boards that someone said they were told it was 2 years but then after they signed up that magically changed to one year.