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    #32
    curlzy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭curlzy


    Procasinator wrote: »
    They have the photographer already according to a linked article (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Photos+teen+rape+gang+viral+Internet/3537298/story.html#ixzz0zpTc0YP8) and will probably be able to identify some of the attackers (between 5 and 7 of them) from the photos.

    It's a horrific crime and absolutely disgusting behaviour.

    See now I'm glad I posted the link, so glad that it seems that they will get caught. Personally I'd love to leave "justice" in the hands of her family (or if they're too nice whoever they nominate) and the form of justice to involve blow torches, pliers, hungry dogs, acid and so forth. Ah not really, I'm a pacifist, but they should defo be put in jail for a very very very long time (I think 20 years minimum) and made to share cells with much bigger guys :)


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    #33
    [Deleted User]
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    Simple law change.

    -You recieve picture of rape/kiddie porn.

    -you may pass on to law enforcement only.

    -if not, you are charged as an accessory.


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    #34
    Dudess
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    up for anything wrote: »
    I disagree. She is a child in Canada and a child by law here.
    She's a minor, not a child - biologically she is a woman. Please don't think I'm defending this in any way - of course I'm not - but I agree it's not child pornography, which features pre-pubescent, often small, children. This is repulsive and upsetting and enraging the way child porn is, but it's still not the same. And 16 is half my age so I'm not coming from the perspective of someone who's not much more than 16 and thinks it's practically adulthood. It's not comparable to a small kid playing with toys either though.


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    #35
    pickarooney
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    Actually, on Biggins' suggestion, I looked up the legal definition in Canada (bit nervous typing that in, I can tell you!) and it's defined as any act involving someone under-18.
    So, I suppose technically it is child porn, but not as we know it, Jim.


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    #36
    marco_polo
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    Dudess wrote: »
    She's a minor, not a child - biologically she is a woman. Please don't think I'm defending this in any way - of course I'm not - but I agree it's not child pornography, which features pre-pubescent, often small, children. This is repulsive and upsetting and enraging the way child porn is, but it's still not the same. And 16 is half my age so I'm not coming from the perspective of someone who's not much more than 16 and thinks it's practically adulthood. It's not comparable to a small kid playing with toys either though.

    I agree with your viewpoint, however In fairness to the original article they are not just sensationalising, as according to the Vancover Sun article the photographer is being charged with the production and distribution of child pornography.


    EDIT: Or I could have just read one more post down :)
    pickarooney wrote: »
    Actually, on Biggins' suggestion, I looked up the legal definition in Canada (bit nervous typing that in, I can tell you!) and it's defined as any act involving someone under-18.
    So, I suppose technically it is child porn, but not as we know it, Jim.


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    Killer Pigeon
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    #38
    some_dose
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    From my daily spin around the interwebs it appears that there now appears to be increasing evidence that there was no rape and indeed it was consensual. Apparently the 16 year old girl in question was heard to be quite enjoying herself during the act (please bear in mind that this is still only speculation as are the claims of rape that she is making). Apparently a girl who was at the same party as the girl in question who knows her said that is was consensual until her parents found the pictures the next day when she then made the claim that she'd been raped.

    For those who dismiss that these false allegations could be made please be aware that stuff like this has happened before
    In October 2005, at a Delta Delta Delta formal, drunken sorority girls careened through the host’s house, vomiting, falling, and breaking furnishings. One girl ran naked through a hallway; another was found half-naked with a male on the bed in the master suite. A third had intercourse with her escort in a different bedroom. On the bus back from the formal, she was seen kissing her escort; once she arrived home, she had sex with a different male. Later, she accused her escort of rape. The district attorney declined to prosecute the girl’s rape charges. William and Mary, however, had already forced the defendant to leave school and, even after the D.A.’s decision, wouldn’t let him return until his accuser graduated. The defendant sued his accuser for $5.5 million for defamation; the parties settled out of court.

    The incident wasn’t as unusual as it sounds. A year earlier, a William and Mary student had charged rape after having provided a condom to her partner for intercourse. The boy had cofounded the national antirape organization One in Four; the school suspended him for a year, anyway. In an earlier incident, a drunken sorority girl was filmed giving oral sex to seven men. She cried rape when her boyfriend found out. William and Mary found one of the recipients, who had taped the event, guilty of assault and suspended him
    Link: http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html

    However, it still doesn't change the fact that it is, legally, child porn


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    #39
    curlzy
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    some_dose wrote: »
    From my daily spin around the interwebs it appears that there now appears to be increasing evidence that there was no rape and indeed it was consensual. Apparently the 16 year old girl in question was heard to be quite enjoying herself during the act (please bear in mind that this is still only speculation as are the claims of rape that she is making). Apparently a girl who was at the same party as the girl in question who knows her said that is was consensual until her parents found the pictures the next day when she then made the claim that she'd been raped.

    For those who dismiss that these false allegations could be made please be aware that stuff like this has happened before


    Link: http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html

    However, it still doesn't change the fact that it is, legally, child porn

    Well now I'm confused, am I glad that this awful thing didn't happen to a 16 year old girl or am I mad that people are saying it didn't happen when it did or am I angry at the girl for making false allegations and thereby making it harder for other victims to come forward? Hmmmm I think I'll wait for further info before I settle on what to think!!!


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    Chaotic_Forces
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    Dudess wrote: »
    She's a minor, not a child - biologically she is a woman. Please don't think I'm defending this in any way - of course I'm not - but I agree it's not child pornography, which features pre-pubescent, often small, children. This is repulsive and upsetting and enraging the way child porn is, but it's still not the same. And 16 is half my age so I'm not coming from the perspective of someone who's not much more than 16 and thinks it's practically adulthood. It's not comparable to a small kid playing with toys either though.

    You've got a point but come on, the world is too PC today. If I recorded a 17 year old girl (10 minutes before she was 18) naked and well... dancing suggestively, the media is going to label me a monster and the girl should be sent of to get therapy for her "abuse".

    It's not child porn exactly but to me it is; they drugged her. She was about as harmless as a child could be, they knew what they were doing, they knew she wasn't able to defend herself. And then they video it.
    She might be a woman biologically but to me (I'm only 22) till I get around 26/27 I don't think I'll have grown up yet.
    Kids her age can go out and get hammered/stoned really easily, there's a reason we have laws for minors; to protect them. Besides, she is a woman but if you (hypothetically, I pray this never happens to anyone) where drugged, wouldn't you want your friends to do anything they could to get you safely home? Even if that means treating you like a child though you clearly an adult?
    curlzy wrote: »
    Well now I'm confused, am I glad that this awful thing didn't happen to a 16 year old girl or am I mad that people are saying it didn't happen when it did or am I angry at the girl for making false allegations and thereby making it harder for other victims to come forward? Hmmmm I think I'll wait for further info before I settle on what to think!!!

    That can both ways. If there were traces of drugs in her it was still rape; she wasn't in the mind to give consent, regardless if she took them willingly or not (assuming she took enough she couldn't give consent). But come on, even if she was raped, a lot of people won't tell others. Besides how do we know her friend didn't see her drink being spiked or something and just assumes it was "fun" for her?
    I'm not attacking for either argument, just making some valid points.


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