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Steak - how to cook and what to have with it {Mega Merge!}

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Mellor wrote: »
    I'll never understand the New York Strip thing either. Surely people had been eating striploin steaks for donkeys before NY existed.

    Delmonico's restaurant, the first luxury restaurant in New York, was famous for its strip steak. So famous that the steak became known as new york steak

    I'm sure that's correct, but it's weird.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭Sitec


    Can I fry a steak with butter instead of oil? Sorry if it's a stupid question I'm a student and new to all this cooking malarkey!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,160 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    You can but you'll have to keep the heat lower so the butter doesn't burn.
    Not ideal as it's best to cook steak at a high heat but it will work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    You can but I really wouldn't recommend it as the salts in butter burn very quickly.

    Unless you have a lot of experience the likely outcome (unless it is minute steak) would be burnt on the outside and raw in middle.

    You could 'seal' (brown) the steak in butter and then finish cooking it in the oven - just don't stick a fork in the steak before it's finished cooking as this will allow the juices to escape and you'll end up with shoe leather!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭Sitec


    Cheers for the replies, you saved me ruining a good steak.

    I'l take another trip down to the shops and get some oil.

    Thanks again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    Take a quick look.. pretty much everything you need to know -



    Let your steak rest at room temperature for about 20 mins before cooking.

    Make sure and season your steak with salt & pepper before cooking.

    If you don't have groundnut oil then olive oil will suffice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Little Alex


    Normally you wouldn't use butter as it burns, but in some circumstances the resultant burning or blackening might be actually desirable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 598 ✭✭✭dyer


    when frying with butter you can add some oil to it as well to prevent the butter from burning, if youre really stuck.. just throw it under the grill ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,607 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Unless you have a lot of experience the likely outcome (unless it is minute steak) would be burnt on the outside and raw in middle.
    What??? Raw in the middle is desirable

    If he was lookign for a rare to mid-rare steak then there is no reason why he can't cook it in butter as the cookign time is so short.

    Or is be was cookign a rib eye, he might want to cook at a longer temp for longer, there the butter won't burn.

    You could 'seal' (brown) the steak in butter and then finish cooking it in the oven - just don't stick a fork in the steak before it's finished cooking as this will allow the juices to escape and you'll end up with shoe leather!
    This is wrong and is one of the most comon misconceptinos about steak.

    It'd called searing not sealing. The reason for it to to cook the outside at a high temp so it caramelise the meat, before finishing in the oven. It is not to seal in the juices as people often suggest, juice still escapes from seared meat just as much. Pricking with a fork won't turn the whole thing into shoe leather. Steak is from a large cut that has already been cut or pierced lots of times


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    generally i use a griddle pan for steak (a wise investment) and then just oil the steak, not the pan and then just put the oiled steak into the dry pan. no reason not to add a knob of butter at the end though if you're being indulgent and you're already eating a steak, so indulge away. ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    Blue: slowly warmed in the oven, takes the longest to prepare
    Rare: 52 °C very red, cool centre
    Medium rare: 55 °C very red, warm centre
    Medium: 60 °C middle of the steak red, pink surrounding the centre
    Medium well: 65 °C pink in the centre of the meat, brown towards exterior
    Well done: 71 °C cooked through tends to be without moisture

    rare= 2 mins on each side

    medium rare - 3.5 mins one side 2 mins other side

    medium 4 mins each side

    medium well 6 mins one side 7 mins other

    well 12 mins one side eight the other

    these are based on 120z steaks

    i would invest in a griddle or good cast iron paN, use vegetable oil and just before it begins to smoke season the pan with salt ( not the steak) i would not put black pepper on till the end as this burns and stops you from adding butter, a better way to add butter would be to drain the liquid thats left through a sieve and then whisk in the butter and some nice chopped flat leaf parsley.


    i would leave for ten minutes before cooking to come to room temp, and then leave for 5 to 7 mins before serving to relax before serving, the warm butter sauce will heat it enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,607 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    billybudd wrote: »
    Blue: slowly warmed in the oven, takes the longest to prepare

    Sometimes its done that way, slowly warmed in an oven at low temp. But I'd imagine that blue more often refers to a steak seared quickly outside with the inside raw and cold. ie very rare steak


    Also, the time really depends on thickness rather than weight/size. Just in case anybody mistakes them for absolute cooking times


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Mellor wrote: »
    Sometimes its done that way, slowly warmed in an oven at low temp. But I'd imagine that blue more often refers to a steak seared quickly outside with the inside raw and cold. ie very rare steak


    Also, the time really depends on thickness rather than weight/size. Just in case anybody mistakes them for absolute cooking times
    either way, just bring it on.

    or as they used to say, "just wipe it's arse and herd it on through and i'll take care of the rest". :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    Mellor wrote: »
    Sometimes its done that way, slowly warmed in an oven at low temp. But I'd imagine that blue more often refers to a steak seared quickly outside with the inside raw and cold. ie very rare steak


    Also, the time really depends on thickness rather than weight/size. Just in case anybody mistakes them for absolute cooking times

    Partly true, classically that is how blue would be cooked, you could sear it on either side but this really turns out one of two ways, black & blue or rare.

    It was based on 12 oz steaks which usually would be a standard 1.5 inches in thickness as most ribeyes, stripoins, filets etc are slaughtered at the same age and would be in most standards be the same size.

    anway its just a chart, most people would have their own way of doing these things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭the keen edge


    Recently I've started enjoying a weekly beef steak. I didn't bother buying it too much over the past few years, but I have a taste for them again.

    Anyway, what really annoys me is about some steaks is when they have a large seem of inedible connective tissue?, running through them.
    As opposed to fat marbling, which I appreciate for flavor.

    Should this connective be running through Striploin and Sirloin; or have I been getting poor cuts.
    Should I actually point out to the butcher which specific steak I want; or is this present in all of those cuts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭Volovo


    Just make sure you are buying Irish produced and outdoor reared beef. I buy of a local farmer who supplies local butcher. Its as close to organic meat as you can get but they aren't in fact organically registered. I will always buy the striploin unless I am treating myself to a fillet steak on the odd Sunday :) I never by ribeye or t bone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Ribeye all the way for me. Loads of fat for flavour and moistness.

    Fillet is something I don't understand. There's very little fat in it, so it's very dense and doesn't take flavour from the pan in the same way as a fattier steak would.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭Dinkie


    Ribeye for me also. I love the marbling and the carmelisation of the fat. To me the ribeye is melt in the mouth compared to other steaks.

    I would however use fillet if I wanted to make a really quick stirfry, enchilada, hot beef salad or something similar.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Should this connective be running through Striploin and Sirloin

    I can't speak for sirloin, but striploin should just have fat marbling. Even Lidl striploin cuts are deliciously tender if grilled properly (medium-rare to medium for me).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 974 ✭✭✭BarackPyjama


    Ribeye for me for flavour but the marbling has to be fine. I don't like any kind of gristle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,798 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    Threads merged.

    tHB


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭the keen edge


    Marbling I like; however that sinuous element really ruins my enjoyment of the steak.
    It almost impossible to even cut it with a knife. What I do now is surgically cut it out before I cook the steak. I then add it to the pan when cooking to acquire flavor from it and then bin it before plating up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,607 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Volovo wrote: »
    I will always buy the striploin unless I am treating myself to a fillet steak on the odd Sunday :) I never by ribeye or t bone

    Why do you never buy rib eye or t-bone?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Mellor wrote: »
    Sometimes its done that way, slowly warmed in an oven at low temp. But I'd imagine that blue more often refers to a steak seared quickly outside with the inside raw and cold. ie very rare steak


    Also, the time really depends on thickness rather than weight/size. Just in case anybody mistakes them for absolute cooking times

    Problem with that is, it will still be cold in the middle.

    The oven method is a better way to cook blue because it means the heat is constant throughout the meat.

    Black and Blue would be where it's preped as blue and then seared very quickly on a very hot griddle/pan to caramelisation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭trackguy


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Problem with that is, it will still be cold in the middle.

    The oven method is a better way to cook blue because it means the heat is constant throughout the meat.

    Black and Blue would be where it's preped as blue and then seared very quickly on a very hot griddle/pan to caramelisation.

    If you are cooking a 'blue' steak or ordering one in a restaurant, it should never be cold in the middle.

    The steak should be removed from the fridge and allowed to come to room temperature before cooking.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    trackguy wrote: »
    If you are cooking a 'blue' steak or ordering one in a restaurant, it should never be cold in the middle.

    The steak should be removed from the fridge and allowed to come to room temperature before cooking.

    Which would still only make it 34c-ish, maybe 40 in some kitchens.

    The only way you can get it to a proper heat would be to heat it, in an oven or water bath, at low temp for about 15-20 minutes.


    Flash frying it will only sear the outside, the inside will still be cold (or room temp).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,607 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    That's intended. Blue steak isn't supposed to be warm in the middle. Room temp is correct. Some places might serve it warm based on demand, but thats up to the chef really. Blue steak is closer to cold dishes like steak tartare, carpaccio etc imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Mellor wrote: »
    That's intended. Blue steak isn't supposed to be warm in the middle. Room temp is correct. Some places might serve it warm based on demand, but thats up to the chef really. Blue steak is closer to cold dishes like steak tartare, carpaccio etc imo
    now you're just making me hungry! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,676 ✭✭✭✭herisson


    my dad bought me 3 small pieces of steak for during the week for college
    i think they are fillet steaks

    he bought some yesterday morning and i had some with homemade sweet potato wedges

    i want to do something different with them this time..
    ill use one for the usual steak veg and wedges
    but i dont really know what to do with the other two

    anyone have any suggestions? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,798 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    Merged with 'The Steak' thread.

    tHB


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,607 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    my dad bought me 3 small pieces of steak for during the week for college
    i think they are fillet steaks

    he bought some yesterday morning and i had some with homemade sweet potato wedges

    i want to do something different with them this time..
    ill use one for the usual steak veg and wedges
    but i dont really know what to do with the other two

    anyone have any suggestions? :)
    Steak with baked mushrooms, fried onions and pepper sauce
    Steak with sweet and sour roast veggies and whiskey sauce (or what ever sauce you like)
    Surf and Turf with fries

    Basically;
    steak + Veg of choice + Sauce of choice + side of choice = nyom nyom nyom


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 736 ✭✭✭chillin117


    Popped into Centra for milk and saw a lovely Steak for a 5euro, Plan to kill it stone dead in an hour, But I have never cooked a steak properly. I like it medium to well done (most of you seem to like it raw). My Q is do I Flash fry it on both sides and then turn heat off or what ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭dee_mc


    If I'm cooking one I'd give it about 3 minutes per side on a hot pan, then rest for a couple of minutes. That'd be for a steak about 3/4 inch to 1 inch thick I'd say, adjust the cooking time if it's much thicker or thinner!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Get the steak to room temperature

    Salt, pepper and lightly oil steak (not the pan)

    Very very hot pan and 3 minutes one side, dont move or touch it, turn afted 3 mins and leave for 3 mins. Steak done.

    Best result would be to leave rest in 50 degree oven for 5 mins.

    Sit down on your ass and enjoy !! And go chillin' !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,798 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    Merged with latest Steak thread.

    Chillin117 - all the info you need on cookn g steak is in this thread.

    tHB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Seems to me that Steak is a bit like Eggs in this regard: everyone has their own pet favourite way to do it, and Everyone Else Is Wrong. #GNASH!!

    Mind you, I'm guilty of it myself: passionate about my opinions on both of these subjects.

    One of which is, that steak is not improved by eggs.

    Except in the form of Béarnaise Sauce, maybe, which is peerless as an accompaniment. But it has to be fresh made, with fresh tarragon, and it's not the easiest thing for a simple cook to rustle up at short notice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭Loire


    We have steaks usually about once-a-week and here's how do mine: my favourite are Aldi sirloins - the ones aged 28 days

    Finely chop chilli, garlic and ginger. Smear into the steaks. Put in a bowl and add a dash of red wine & a dash of Soy sauce. Cover in cling film and put into the fridge for 3 or 4 hours.

    30 Mins before cooking, take the steaks out of the fridge

    Time to Cook:

    Wipe away the marinade mixture from the steaks & pat dry with paper towel
    Rub a little oil into each steak
    Put the frying pan on the highest heat (no oil)
    When the smoke is visibly rising from the pan add the steaks and leave alone!
    After about 3-4 minutes, flip the steaks, turn the heat down and cover the pan with a lid
    Fry for another 3 minutes or so
    Remove the steaks to a chopping board and leave to rest for 10 minutes
    Whilst resting, add a glass of red wine to the frying pan and on a high heat, cook until well-reduced.
    Take the frying pan off the heat and add a good knob of butter. When fully melted in, add to a ramekin dish with a spoon for pour over the steak

    That's it!
    Loire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    reverse sear is the only way i'll ever be cooking steaks again, it just doesn't get any better, perfectly cooked inside, perfectly seared on the outside. :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 Flappy Head


    Hi I am interested to hear other folks' prep for steak. What I do is put a little olive oil on a dinner plate and coat the steak very very lightly. Then put plenty of salt and pepper on and put into the hottest possible dry pan. I have heard about not salting before frying but is this an old wives tale??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Hesh's Umpire


    For most steaks I make a real quick marinade of olive oil, balsamic, minced garlic and fresh ground black pepper. Bring the meat up to room temp and bang it on a hot pan.
    I don't add salt till after it's cooked but that's just me.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Magico Gonzalez


    Hi I am interested to hear other folks' prep for steak. What I do is put a little olive oil on a dinner plate and coat the steak very very lightly. Then put plenty of salt and pepper on and put into the hottest possible dry pan. I have heard about not salting before frying but is this an old wives tale??

    I dont use any oil, should cook in it's own fat. If I use anything it would be a wee nib of butter, but that's for taste. Gives it a richer taste. I know plenty do recommend olive oil but it's not for me.

    Key is a really heavy pan, cast iron and much much heavier base than a normal pan.

    I took a class in a cookery school here (Gato Dumas, Buenos Aires) and the chef told us that salting the meat before cooking causes it to expel liquid. He used butter too, not oil, but again personal taste I think. The key is to look at the cut, (i hate the word steak as it does not describe the cut of meat at all! ...in Argentina it's clearer what you are getting from the name of the cut and there's no messing about with it), if there is a lot of fat in the meat (tasty!) you might not want to go nuts and lob more fat in the pan, if it's a leaner cut it might help to use some oil or butter.

    Depends on the thickness, but you want the pan hot. I tend to fry on one side, turn, salt the cooked side, turn, salt the other side and finish v (half the time of the initial fry, more or less). No point talking in specifics around the times as it depends on the cut of meat. You'll want to judge based on tender the meat is to the push of a spoon or thumb.

    Of course, the ultimate way to cook it is over a wood fired grill (asado) in the open air!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Hi I am interested to hear other folks' prep for steak. What I do is put a little olive oil on a dinner plate and coat the steak very very lightly. Then put plenty of salt and pepper on and put into the hottest possible dry pan. I have heard about not salting before frying but is this an old wives tale??

    My method is very similar:

    Large salad bowl, glug of olive oil, generous addition of freshly ground pepper and a generous sprinkle of sea salt. Coat steak in olive oil mix, and put it on a dry very hot pan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Uncle_moe


    i usually salt the steak heavily about a day before eating and place it on a wire rack in the fridge overnight.
    Leave it out for a couple of hours before cooking.

    Lightly oil the steak with a an oil with a high smoke point like vegetable. Something generally tasteless. Butter will definitely burn, usually just used in restaurants to finish a steak.

    Cooking in a searing hot cast iron pan for about four mins max depending on thickness but in Ireland steak is usually not that thick unless you specify from your butcher.

    Rest for about 3 mins and melt some butter over the top if you like.

    Another option but it's pricey is to rest it fully submerged in a butter bath. Saw a restaurant do that before.


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,750 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    1. Room temperature meat;

    2. Brush with rapeseed oil (Crisp 'n' Dry is perfect, or Supermarket own brand which will be called vegetable oil and you have to look at the small-print to see whether it's sunflower or rapeseed);

    3. Raging hot heavy-bottomed pan;

    4. Salt the steak just before adding to pan. Do not put pepper on it if frying in a pan this hot - pepper burns;

    5. Cook to taste - use the image below for a (very) rough guide to cookery;

    (5a. Heston Blumenthal method is to flip steak every 15 seconds until done to maintain maximum juiciness - this tends to sacrifice the caramelisation on the outside unless you have a super-hot hob;)

    6. Additional seasoning and rest well.

    I don't eat the outer fat, or rind on the steak but for those who do, when steak is almost done to your taste, add a good glug of oil to the pan and prop the steaks up onto their rinds and render the fat for a few minutes.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    Mod note: Merged with steak megathread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    1. Room temperature meat;

    2. Brush with rapeseed oil (Crisp 'n' Dry is perfect, or Supermarket own brand which will be called vegetable oil and you have to look at the small-print to see whether it's sunflower or rapeseed);

    3. Raging hot heavy-bottomed pan;

    4. Salt the steak just before adding to pan. Do not put pepper on it if frying in a pan this hot - pepper burns;

    5. Cook to taste - use the image below for a (very) rough guide to cookery;

    (5a. Heston Blumenthal method is to flip steak every 15 seconds until done to maintain maximum juiciness - this tends to sacrifice the caramelisation on the outside unless you have a super-hot hob;)

    6. Additional seasoning and rest well.

    I don't eat the outer fat, or rind on the steak but for those who do, when steak is almost done to your taste, add a good glug of oil to the pan and prop the steaks up onto their rinds and render the fat for a few minutes.

    18s0cac44eu1mpng.png

    What is that image meant to signify?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Probably universal language on how to order steak in a restaurant?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,057 ✭✭✭MissFlitworth


    It's a guide for knowing how your steak is cooked by feeling it and comparing it to how your hand feels in those positions :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭stimpson


    Back on topic...

    There is an interesting article here on salting:

    http://amazingribs.com/recipes/rubs_pastes_marinades_and_brines/dry_brining.html

    What it basically says is that salting will draw out moisture, which will dissolve the salt, then get reabsorbed by the meat, pulling the salt inside the steak. This flavourises and tenderises the meat. I've been doing it since I read the article and I swear by it.

    So here's my pan method:
    1. Ribeye or striploin - 1.25 to 1.5 inch thick. I buy whole ribeyes and cut to size. Much as I love Aldi Specially Selected steaks, they aren't thick enough
    2. Remove from fridge an hour before hand
    3. Salt both sides of steak (on a rack of possible). Use rock salt. No pepper on steak
    4. Red hot cast iron pan. I like to use a griddle pan for char marks
    5. Oil the steak with Peanut (Groundnut) oil. This is important - Olive has way too low a smoke point.
    6. Steak in pan. 1 minute each side, then flip again and rotate 60deg to get cross hatching marks from griddle. Another minute each side (2 mins a side total). Maybe an extra 30 sec a side for a thicker steak
    7. On second pass lob a knob of butter and baste top of steak.
    8. Rest on a warm plate
    9. While resting, deglaze pan with a shot of whiskey
    10. Allow whiskey to reduce by half and add a shot (~50ml) of cream
    11. Add pepper to sauce. Lots of. Taste and add a little salt if necessary.
    12. Any juices that have left the steak while resting go back into the pan.
    13. When cream has reduced it will be lovely and thick. Pour over steak.

    Except, I bought a Sous Vide machine in Lidl before Christmas. It changes everything. Now I cut my steaks, Salt and vacuum pack, then into the freezer. When I want a steak that evening I set the machine to 52 degrees (which actually equates to 56 deg based on thermocouple probe thermometer). Take steak from freezer and place in Sous Vide. When I'm ready to eat I take the perfectly medium rare steak out and sear in a red hot pan for 1 minute each side. Then make sauce as above. The result is perfect edge to edge medium rare every time.


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  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,750 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    syklops wrote: »
    What is that image meant to signify?

    When you open your left hand and relax it, the pulpy part at the bottom of your left thumb feels like raw meat. When you touch your left thumb to your left index finger, the bottom of your left thumb feels like rare meat and so on until you touch your left thumb to your left little finger, which feels like well done meat.

    :)


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