M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

apoeiguq3094y · 27-01-2015 12:10pm

ardmacha wrote: »

People cutting across lanes do so because they don't give a damn about anyone else and signs, tests etc will not do anything to stop them. Law enforcement will.

True, law enforcement would help. But if tests and driver training were effective it would reduce the number of people developing these bad habits.

Also the same goes for people sitting happily in the middle lane. They aren't confident (or maybe capable) enough to deal with merging traffic and changing lanes themselves when needed.

tonc76 · 27-01-2015 2:26pm

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

True, law enforcement would help. But if tests and driver training were effective it would reduce the number of people developing these bad habits.

Also the same goes for people sitting happily in the middle lane. They aren't confident (or maybe capable) enough to deal with merging traffic and changing lanes themselves when needed.

Where will the people of Donegal, Leitrim, Sligo, Mayo etc etc take these tests as there are no motorways near them or should they be exempt?

L1011 · 27-01-2015 2:30pm

tonc76 wrote: »

Where will the people of Donegal, Leitrim, Sligo, Mayo etc etc take these tests as there are no motorways near them or should they be exempt?

All bar Mayo contain dual carriageways.

tonc76 · 27-01-2015 4:06pm

L1011 wrote: »

All bar Mayo contain dual carriageways.

The OP's comment referred to motorways and how many 3 lane dual carriageways in the west anyway?

27-01-2015 4:09pm

It does not matter, stay left

L1011 · 27-01-2015 4:15pm

tonc76 wrote: »

The OP's comment referred to motorways and how many 3 lane dual carriageways in the west anyway?

The M7/M9 and M4/M6 merge are on 2 lane dual carriageways. A dual carriageway has the same rules as goes lanes as a motorway does, anyway.

MayoSalmon · 27-01-2015 4:34pm

tonc76 wrote: »

The OP's comment referred to motorways and how many 3 lane dual carriageways in the west anyway?

None

27-01-2015 4:37pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

None

What des that matter? Stay in the left lane unless overtaking (or avoiding a hazard) and all will be well, be it a 2 lane or 10 lane section.

MayoSalmon · 27-01-2015 4:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What des that matter? Stay in the left lane unless overtaking (or avoiding a hazard) and all will be well, be it a 2 lane or 10 lane section.

There is only 1 lane on our roads with some grass in the middle:pac:

27-01-2015 4:43pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

There is only 1 lane on our roads with some grass in the middle:pac:

Stay to the left of the grass:cool:

MayoSalmon · 27-01-2015 4:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Stay to the left of the grass:cool:

I don't own a smart car;)

27-01-2015 9:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Stay to the left of the grass:cool:

Only when on my bike.

Deedsie · 31-01-2015 1:51pm

Would an email campaign to TD's along the N7, M7, M8, M9 and city west help at all in relation to getting funding for this badly badly needed upgrade? It's a massive pain in the neck for thousands of people every day.

Lester Freamon · 03-02-2015 10:28pm

Deedsie wrote: »

Would an email campaign to TD's along the N7, M7, M8, M9 and city west help at all in relation to getting funding for this badly badly needed upgrade? It's a massive pain in the neck for thousands of people every day.

Sounds good to me!

Sheldons Brain · 04-02-2015 1:23am

They should just build a toll gate and use that to fund the improvement. People from Kinnegad, Navan or Dundalk have a pay a toll to reach Dublin, let those in Waterford and Portlaoise do likewise. Or maybe just toll the new lane.

pablo128 · 04-02-2015 1:30am

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

They should just build a toll gate and use that to fund the improvement. People from Kinnegad, Navan or Dundalk have a pay a toll to reach Dublin, let those in Waterford and Portlaoise do likewise. Or maybe just toll the new lane.

Only if they use the motorway.

Sheldons Brain · 04-02-2015 1:46am

pablo128 wrote: »

Only if they use the motorway.

The same will apply to people from Waterford in my proposal.

04-02-2015 8:53am

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

They should just build a toll gate and use that to fund the improvement. People from Kinnegad, Navan or Dundalk have a pay a toll to reach Dublin, let those in Waterford and Portlaoise do likewise. Or maybe just toll the new lane.

right let's put another toll at Portlaoise. People coming from Cork and parts of Kerry only have three tolls already to reach the Airport.

Also governmemt housing/employment policy has forced a commuter belt that needs access

AugustusMinimus · 04-02-2015 9:39am

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

The same will apply to people from Waterford in my proposal.

Another toll for the people of cork I dispose. 4 to get to Dublin airport as the last poster has said. Do you really believe that's reasonable ?

JeffK88 · 04-02-2015 9:55am

There was a proposal for tolling the M7 before but it was dropped quite quickly. How could you justify adding a toll to a 32 year old motorway. Toll roads are usually in place to pay for the construction of said motorway. Adding a toll to the M7 would drive thousands of cars back into Newbridge/Naas. As it is there is too many tolls in this country considering the road tax we pay already. Why the hell would you suggest a new one.
If you tolled the M9 you would kill it overnight it would end up like the toll roads in Portugal.... empty. The Government should upgrade the damn road and cough up the money. Why it was prioritised over the M11 , M17/M18 , N25 New Ross bypass is beyond me. For those who live at these locations and will moan about everything Dublin focused, Yes it should be considering Dublin is the only urban centre with over 1 million people so road projects should be prioritised around the city especially one as important and necessary as this upgrade.

gilly0512 · 05-02-2015 4:20pm

JeffK88 wrote: »

There was a proposal for tolling the M7 before but it was dropped quite quickly. How could you justify adding a toll to a 32 year old motorway. Toll roads are usually in place to pay for the construction of said motorway. Adding a toll to the M7 would drive thousands of cars back into Newbridge/Naas. As it is there is too many tolls in this country considering the road tax we pay already. Why the hell would you suggest a new one.
If you tolled the M9 you would kill it overnight it would end up like the toll roads in Portugal.... empty. The Government should upgrade the damn road and cough up the money. Why it was prioritised over the M11 , M17/M18 , N25 New Ross bypass is beyond me. For those who live at these locations and will moan about everything Dublin focused, Yes it should be considering Dublin is the only urban centre with over 1 million people so road projects should be prioritised around the city especially one as important and necessary as this upgrade.

I couldn't agree more Jeff, we already pay far more for our cars than our European neighbours, not to mention a much higher road tax, so if you ask me there are more than enough tolls already in this country. You also have well over a third of the country's population living in the Dublin/Kildare area, not to mention Dublin being the centre of the business economy in this country, so whether people like it or not the majority of road funding and public transport funding should go to Dublin and surrounding counties such as Meath, Wicklow and Kildare which are all commuter counties.

gilly0512 · 23-02-2015 6:02pm

road_high wrote: »

See no reason why Kerry Group should not have been made contribute heavily to the planned upgrade being contingent on their planning permission.

Why should they, they are already bringing hundreds of jobs to the Naas and surrounding areas, and no doubt they are paying hundreds of thousands in annual rates. If anything the Kerry Group should have insisted on this work been carried out as a prerequisite to them setting up in Naas, and should sue Kildare County Council for this new junction not been built. I know it's not KCCs fault, but ultimately the government would pay.

BuzzFish · 24-02-2015 9:59am

gilly2308 wrote: »

Why should they, they are already bringing hundreds of jobs to the Naas and surrounding areas, and no doubt they are paying hundreds of thousands in annual rates. If anything the Kerry Group should have insisted on this work been carried out as a prerequisite to them setting up in Naas, and should sue Kildare County Council for this new junction not been built. I know it's not KCCs fault, but ultimately the government would pay.

If you read the planning docs (freely available on KCC website) the planning was tied to the upgrade of the sallins road roundabout (not started) and the motorway upgrade (dropped for now). Its a disgrace. In 4 weeks time Kerry will have 800+ people heading to the new site, while also keeping Birch house and having 350 ppl there.

Deedsie · 24-02-2015 10:20am

As soon as planning permission was granted for the widening scheme, funding should have been provided for this. It is of vital importance on one of the busiest roads in the country. They seem to be waiting for the giveaway budget to announce any infrastructure investments. Delaying construction by probably two years from planning permission being granted just to give politicians a better chance of being elected. They should be turfed out for dragging their feet.

Idbatterim · 24-02-2015 11:36am

If you read the planning docs (freely available on KCC website) the planning was tied to the upgrade of the sallins road roundabout (not started) and the motorway upgrade (dropped for now). Its a disgrace. In 4 weeks time Kerry will have 800+ people heading to the new site, while also keeping Birch house and having 350 ppl there.

This might hurry things up and be for the best, given that they only do stuff here come crisis time on the infrastructure front...

Deedsie · 10-08-2015 9:23am

This road would break your heart at times. 70 minutes from the Curragh to Naas junction 9 yesterday. Just make the funding available and get on with it.

10-08-2015 11:00am

Funding won't happen without a Toll.

L1011 · 10-08-2015 11:24am

Deleted User wrote: »

Funding won't happen without a Toll.

Not a chance. This isn't particularly dear, for starterss.

marno21 · 10-08-2015 11:33am

Deedsie wrote: »

This road would break your heart at times. 70 minutes from the Curragh to Naas junction 9 yesterday. Just make the funding available and get on with it.

There was an incident yesterday at J11 holding up traffic, in addition to all the extra traffic from Waterford & Kilkenny

10-08-2015 11:49am

L1011 wrote: »

Not a chance. This isn't particularly dear, for starterss.

How will they raise funding ?

10-08-2015 11:52am

There needs to be an emphasis on proper public infrastructure in this country at a cost that makes the car less attractive. Particularly in Dublin, the public transport network there is a disgrace.

L1011 · 10-08-2015 11:52am

Deleted User wrote: »

How will they raise funding ?

The exact same way every other road project is funded.

Carawaystick · 10-08-2015 11:54am

Deleted User wrote: »

How will they raise funding ?

How did the widening of the M1 get funded?

10-08-2015 12:03pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

How did the widening of the M1 get funded?

No idea ?

Deedsie · 10-08-2015 1:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Funding won't happen without a Toll.

Deleted User wrote: »

There needs to be an emphasis on proper public infrastructure in this country at a cost that makes the car less attractive. Particularly in Dublin, the public transport network there is a disgrace.

They can't put another toll on the M7. That would be four tolls from Cork to Dublin airport.

I agree completely on the second point but don't see what it has to do with this thread.

10-08-2015 1:54pm

Three tolls on one route to the national airport is already insane FFS

10-08-2015 4:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Three tolls on one route to the national airport is already insane FFS

Forgot about the tolls at the other end.

10-08-2015 4:59pm

Deedsie wrote: »

They can't put another toll on the M7. That would be four tolls from Cork to Dublin airport.

I agree completely on the second point but don't see what it has to do with this thread.

The point being if there were less traffic there would be no need for an upgrade because the more the roads are upgraded the more people will be encouraged to drive and eventually you got congestion again. I guarantee if I had a bus to snooze on or a train after 12 hr shift I'd gladly take the public transport.

Deedsie · 10-08-2015 5:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The point being if there were less traffic there would be no need for an upgrade because the more the roads are upgraded the more people will be encouraged to drive and eventually you got congestion again. I guarantee if I had a bus to snooze on or a train after 12 hr shift I'd gladly take the public transport.

You are right, unfortunately in Ireland there is going to be no improvements on inter city public transport for a long long time. This road connects Waterford, Kilkenny, Limerick & Cork to Dublin. The road needs to be upgraded alongside any eventual public transport

Chris_5339762 · 10-08-2015 6:20pm

This one is an oddity because, from Dublin, you have the 3 lane Naas Road going into the 2 lane Naas bypass into (effectively) the 4 lane M7/9. Similarly, coming towards Dublin you have two 2 lane roads merging into one, then back out to 3 along the Naas road. This isn't about increasing traffic levels, its about removing a silly bottleneck.

10-08-2015 6:44pm

Ideally this part of the M7/N7 needs to be 4 lanes. Rather than build for today why not plan for the future ? the M50 should be 4- 5 lanes.

Deedsie · 10-08-2015 7:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ideally this part of the M7/N7 needs to be 4 lanes. Rather than build for today why not plan for the future ? the M50 should be 4- 5 lanes.

In one page you have gone from opposing a vital road infrastructure upgrade to advocating the expansion of Dublins outer ring road. Dublin City should definitely focus on a huge investment in public transport. Metro North etc

10-08-2015 8:07pm

Deedsie wrote: »

In one page you have gone from opposing a vital road infrastructure upgrade to advocating the expansion of Dublins outer ring road. Dublin City should definitely focus on a huge investment in public transport. Metro North etc

I did not oppose anything but I strongly feel bigger roads are not the answer.

Expansion of the M50 isn't possible so you need a ring road now around the M50 this is what happens with the failure to provide a proper public transport system that Dublin desperately needs.

Eventually all roads will get congested, so I'm neither for or against road upgrading, because I have to commute by car I've no choice the same as hundreds of thousands of other motorists. But I say this, after a 72 hr shift I do once a month + 12 hrs driving and coming off nights I'd give anything for a Bus or a train. But it would greatly add to my already long 15 hr days.

Bray Head · 14-08-2015 7:24am

Deleted User wrote: »

Eventually all roads will get congested,

In what circumstances do you ever see the M9 between Kilkenny and Waterford being congested?

There are two reasons to have tolls. It is important not to confuse them. One is to 'pay' for a project. The other is to manage congestion.

Personally I have no problem with tolls being put on roads long after they are opened to reduce congestion. This happened in London with the congestion charge. I think a modest, barrier-free toll on the Naas road for peak-time use would do a lot to reduce congestion.

On the costs, it is daft that there are no tolls to drive from Dublin to Waterford or Wexford but there are to the rest of the country. It is a fairly explicit and arbitrary transfer from one section of the population to another.

14-08-2015 7:51am

Bray Head wrote: »

In what circumstances do you ever see the M9 between Kilkenny and Waterford being congested?

There are two reasons to have tolls. It is important not to confuse them. One is to 'pay' for a project. The other is to manage congestion.

Personally I have no problem with tolls being put on roads long after they are opened to reduce congestion. This happened in London with the congestion charge. I think a modest, barrier-free toll on the Naas road for peak-time use would do a lot to reduce congestion.

On the costs, it is daft that there are no tolls to drive from Dublin to Waterford or Wexford but there are to the rest of the country. It is a fairly explicit and arbitrary transfer from one section of the population to another.

How would it ease congestion there, to have a toll? Are people just going to have to give up going to work.

Again, is it feasible to have 4 tolls between Cork/Kerry and Dublin airport?

14-08-2015 9:09am

Some of us just let the train take the strain and put up with the extra time it takes. With a taxsaver ticket the journey costs less than half what it would to take the car (Athlone to Dublin).

Long distance commuting is a mugs game, but many of us simply don't have a choice.

14-08-2015 10:24am

Deleted User wrote: »

Some of us just let the train take the strain and put up with the extra time it takes. With a taxsaver ticket the journey costs less than half what it would to take the car (Athlone to Dublin).

Long distance commuting is a mugs game, but many of us simply don't have a choice.

That's wonderful if you are within distance of a train station and work is anywhere near where you arrive

Idbatterim · 14-08-2015 1:12pm

they really need to hurry up with sorting out rail transport into dublin so that people can commute into the city viably from suburbs and further afield. By being able to walk or cycle to the train station or by having park and ride's...

Jayuu · 15-08-2015 10:39am

Bray Head wrote: »

On the costs, it is daft that there are no tolls to drive from Dublin to Waterford or Wexford but there are to the rest of the country. It is a fairly explicit and arbitrary transfer from one section of the population to another.

The same argument could be applied to the M50 which penalises people for using one section of the road as opposed to all of it.

L1011 · 15-08-2015 1:22pm

Jayuu wrote: »

The same argument could be applied to the M50 which penalises people for using one section of the road as opposed to all of it.

Only one bit of the m50 was built under and bought out from a PPP deal of that kind. Tolling the rest for 'fairness' isn't a valid argument

M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

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