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Rangers FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/2013

  • 19-06-2011 4:01pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭


    Rangers FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

    This thread is for team talk, Gossip and Rumours pertaining to Rangers FC. This thread is open for all users to post in. There are no preferences for fans of any team.

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    - We will merge/split discussion on requests
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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Cheers Iago
    Looking forward to some decent discussions in here with the many decent Celtic fans around also with my fellow Bears
    Heres to 4-in-a-row


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    This was posted in the old thread but I thought I would post it in here as its up to date news from Whyte

    Interesting interview by Whyte

    http://sport.scotsman.com/football/I...?articlepage=1

    IN AN interview that began with some discussion about Rangers' plight with the taxman then veered off into a complete evisceration of the Ibrox old guard before swinging round to deal with what he calls a damaging culture of leaks inside his new club, Craig Whyte had much on his mind.
    This was Whyte swinging from the lip, far more relaxed than he had been on the day of his arrival as Rangers' new owner, when he walked in there in a fairly self-conscious mode, not knowing what to do with all these people who were applauding him and calling his name and asking for his autograph.

    That was only a few weeks back. He was cagey, then. But not now. Deep breath required here, because this was fairly full-on stuff. He was incensed the other day about a report in the Daily Record that claimed some kind of financial chicanery on his part, a scheme about season ticket money that could, in the words of the headline, turn Rangers into Scotland's version of the stricken Leeds United.Whyte was angry, for sure. But he won't be deflected from the task in hand. Other gripes? The old board.

    "I don't know, but I hear that some of the previous directors are still sniping away in the background, still trying to cause trouble where they can. I think it's a pity that some of these guys didn't go gracefully instead of going disgracefully."

    He's talking here about former directors, Paul Murray, who put together a late rival bid for control of Rangers, and Alastair Johnston, who broke Whyte's balls when analysing his proposal but didn't appear to apply the same rigour to Murray's plan.

    "Alastair Johnston had a chance to stand down and refused. And so did Paul Murray. It was unfortunate for them. You just have to get on with it. I really don't know what their problem is. Why didn't they resign? It's what any reasonable person would have done. The funny thing is that every time I sat down beside Alastair he was exceptionally nice to me, then he goes and stabs me in the back. You could respect somebody more if they just say it to your face, 'Look I don't like you, I don't want the deal and I'm going to resign'. You could respect somebody who said that. But Johnston said something completely different to my face than what he actually did."

    The infamous five, aka the independent board committee who scrutinised Whyte's bid, came out with an extraordinary statement in the hours after Whyte concluded business with Sir David Murray, an act of treachery as the new owner saw it – and still sees it.

    Is there any way back for suspended chief executive Martin Bain and director Donald McIntyre, two of the five? "No, there's not, no."
    Was it all over for them as soon as they issued that statement?
    "The statement didn't help. It was very difficult to work with the people who were behind that statement. It's unheard of in a takeover where you buy a company and the people who are running it are talking against you hours after the takeover is completed and yet still they expect to work with you. It's the most bizarre thing. You couldn't make it up.

    "Listen, somebody had to do it (buy the club]. Nobody else was going to step up. Despite all their sniping, they all had the opportunity to do the deal, they all had the opportunity to pick up the phone to me and put their money where the mouth was, and didn't do it. Paul Murray's proposal was a five-line email sent from his blackberry. It was nothing. What's the point? Why bother? Why not just stand aside gracefully and let us get on with running the business?"

    We move on to the saga of HMRC, the whopping bill that may be coming down the track. Whyte's mantra before, and now, is that his legal counsel says that they will win the case, but even if they don't they have a measure in place to deal with it that will keep the club above ground. But here's the stand-out thing. He reckons it could be years before this thing is over. "I'm aware of a website that has dedicated itself to talking about our tax case," said Whyte of a site that claims to be in the know about Rangers' financial affairs and regularly predicts a new kind of Armageddon for the club.

    "I've looked at it. What they're saying is 99 per cent crap. The tribunal only starts in November so it will likely be concluded around March-time. Of course, there will probably be a series of appeals after that. This could go on for years yet. If we lose, we appeal and that's another year. If we win, HMRC could appeal, so it's not necessarily going away any time soon. It would be nice if it could go away sooner but it will run for some time yet."

    The scrutiny of his every move is something that has taken him by surprise. He thought he was steeled for it, but he is honest enough to admit that he was not.

    "I knew about the intensity of the focus on Rangers but I didn't expect this. I thought I could stay behind the scenes quite easily but that is not the case. I didn't really think through the whole concept of walking around Glasgow getting stopped everywhere. I didn't think about that at all before I got involved in the deal. It brought it home to me that life in Scotland is not the same any more.

    "The intensity is incredible. I've read things in the paper before even I know they were happening. Somebody can tell you something and within a couple of hours it's on the internet. Nothing I've ever been involved in compares to this. Weird. Very weird.

    "It's something we've spoken about. Rangers, going forward, has got to have a much more co-ordinated media strategy. We'll be looking carefully about who is to talk. We've all got to be on-message. There are far too many leaks coming out of Ibrox."

    Whyte has been busy putting together his key executives and there is a role for Gordon Smith in the new set-up. The former player, pundit, agent and chief executive was away in Portugal playing golf at the weekend but will pretty soon take up his post as Rangers' director of football. "Gordon, particularly with his experience with the SFA and UEFA, is a great addition," said Whyte. "He'll be based out of Murray Park and it's important to have somebody at board level based there. The other thing is that we've got to develop our youth players from there. So we've got to have somebody who has the experience and drive to really give the youth system a shake and make sure we have good players coming through in the next five and ten years.

    "We've had quite a few who have come through but given the money we spend and the set-up we have out there I don't think enough come through. A lot more can be done. So what I've decided to do is have Ali Russell in charge of operations and he will effectively be chief operating officer on the commercial side and looking for new deals and so on and Gordon will be on the football side, so there's no need to have a chief executive as well."

    He's at pains to point out that Ally McCoist is The Man. Together they're trying to force some deals over the finishing line. There's lots going on, he says, but he can't make it public right now. Then he corrects himself. "Actually, nothing stays private for very long so you'll probably know it in a day anyway."

    The deal for Carlos Cuellar has been slowed by the change of manager at Villa Park. The Israeli striker, Tomer Hemed, looks like opting for Real Mallorca over Rangers. There are other offers in for players. "We're getting close to where we want to be."

    In this new Rangers world you wonder has Whyte got a grasp on the sectarianism issue yet. He says all the right things about not tolerating it, that it has no place in a modern football club, especially one that is hell bent, under Russell's stewardship, of reaching out for new commercial opportunities. The Billy Boys is not exactly the best backing track for a guy who is trying to sell the wholesome Ibrox Experience to the corporate world.

    There is in Whyte, though, something of the spirit of the Copland Road. Just a tinge. "Huge strides have been made since I used to go to games 20-25 years ago. It's important that we don't have it (sectarian chanting] but it's also important that our club is not singled out. It's something we have got to watch. We've got to make sure that all fans are treated equally."

    He says he would like to fade into the background as soon as the season is up and running, a comment that produces an ironic laugh. "I'd like a low-key existence." The laugh said that he knows that those days living in the shadows are over.


    Some good points I especially wonder who's website he is referring to
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,280 ✭✭✭Glico Man


    Not really a follower of Scottish football as I'm a 'pool fan but rumours abound that young Danny Wilson maybe rejoining your lot for next season on loan. Has struggled a bit when he's played for Liverpool but has mainly been deployed at left-back so maybe thats the reason. Would be good to see him return to the form he had when he broke into the Rangers first team if the move works out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    aaronh007 wrote: »
    Not really a follower of Scottish football as I'm a 'pool fan but rumours abound that young Danny Wilson maybe rejoining your lot for next season on loan. Has struggled a bit when he's played for Liverpool but has mainly been deployed at left-back so maybe thats the reason. Would be good to see him return to the form he had when he broke into the Rangers first team if the move works out.

    I would take him back I said at the time he was making the move at least one season to soon if he had stayed he would have played first team football on a regular basis and been the better for it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,280 ✭✭✭Glico Man


    I would take him back I said at the time he was making the move at least one season to soon if he had stayed he would have played first team football on a regular basis and been the better for it

    I completely agree with you. I think what would have been a much better idea would have been to have been to pay the money and have left him at Rangers on loan for the year and play week in week out.

    Having seen him play the odd time for Rangers I think he's one of the best young CB's in Britain but having actually watched him play week in week out, what do you make of him?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    aaronh007 wrote: »
    I completely agree with you. I think what would have been a much better idea would have been to have been to pay the money and have left him at Rangers on loan for the year and play week in week out.

    Having seen him play the odd time for Rangers I think he's one of the best young CB's in Britain but having actually watched him play week in week out, what do you make of him?

    Well the highest compliment I can give him is that he had the potential to be a Rangers captain and great if he had stayed with the club

    Unfortunately the lure of the EPL was to much well that compiled with certain outside influences that were being put on the lad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,280 ✭✭✭Glico Man


    I just think he needs a run of games, and with us having a pretty much set CB position for Carragher and one of Skrtel/Agger and backup in another former Gers player Kyrgiakos he won't get many chances in his preferred position with us. A move back to where he knows what's what will do his confidence and progression a world of good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    I see that Israeli striker Tomer Hemed won't be joining you guys... he's gone to Real Zaragoza for 7k a week.

    Surely he's going because it's Spain and not because you guys couldn't match the wages?

    (Obviously I've only got this info from internet so no idea what's true and what ain't.)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    I see that Israeli striker Tomer Hemed won't be joining you guys... he's gone to Real Zaragoza for 7k a week.

    Surely he's going because it's Spain and not because you guys couldn't match the wages?

    (Obviously I've only got this info from internet so no idea what's true and what ain't.)

    We had no problem with the wages but he will be far better off over there because of the tax system

    And lets face it play football in wet and miserable Glasgow or in Sunny Spain ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I see that Israeli striker Tomer Hemed won't be joining you guys... he's gone to Real Zaragoza for 7k a week.

    Surely he's going because it's Spain and not because you guys couldn't match the wages?

    (Obviously I've only got this info from internet so no idea what's true and what ain't.)

    It's Mallorca ;)

    And we offered more wages, but he simply moved because it's La Liga.

    Which is reasonable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    We had no problem with the wages but he will be far better off over there because of the tax system

    You mean that Zaragoza actually pay their taxes???!!!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    You mean that Zaragoza actually pay their taxes???!!!:D
    3 in a row.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    Rangers' new owner Craig Whyte insists the club will not overpay for players after seeing target Tomer Hemed join Real Mallorca.

    Gers were keen to make the Israel international Ally McCoist's first signing as manager, but the player ultimately opted for a Spanish switch.

    Whyte is not dwelling on the one that got away, insisting McCoist has other options in mind and that the Light Blues are pursuing their targets.

    "Ally has targets in mind and we are actively negotiating to bring in several new players," Whyte told the Scottish Daily Mail.

    "The fact Hemed has gone elsewhere is disappointing but we will not overpay for players. He was not our first choice anyway."

    Meanwhile, Whyte claims without his intervention the club would not have gone under although they would have been forced to sell their best players.

    "Rangers has no bank debt now," he continued. "If I hadn't come in, Rangers wouldn't have gone bust.

    "But they would have been forced to sell the best players and substantially reduce the wage bill."

    Mallorca offered him more money (and better weather!) so not really surprised he turned us down.

    Interesting that he wasn't our number one target, I imagine thats probably Goodwillie but his pending court appearance will determine the outcome of that.

    I reckon if we could sign Wilson, Bartley, Conway, Goodwillie and an experienced CB we will be fine for the SPL. Re-signing Kenny Miller wouldn't be a bad choice either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    TheBuilder wrote: »
    Mallorca offered him more money (and better weather!) so not really surprised he turned us down.

    Interesting that he wasn't our number one target, I imagine thats probably Goodwillie but his pending court appearance will determine the outcome of that.

    I reckon if we could sign Wilson, Bartley, Conway, Goodwillie and an experienced CB we will be fine for the SPL. Re-signing Kenny Miller wouldn't be a bad choice either.

    If he wasn't their first choice why were they trying to sign him first, why not go straight for Goodwillie? Sounds like he's trying to protect his pride to me


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    If he wasn't their first choice why were they trying to sign him first, why not go straight for Goodwillie? Sounds like he's trying to protect his pride to me

    Maybe something to do with the fact Goodwillie is possibly going to be found guilty of rape!

    He doesn't say if our prime target is even a striker, could be someone like Cuellar.

    Its also nothing to do with pride, nobody in their right mind would move to cold scotland for less money than warm spain and more money.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Exactly, the case against Goodwillie is still going on so it makes sense that Rangers (or any other club it seems) are awaiting that before making a move for him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    Skysports.com understands Rangers have made a formal approach for Dundee United star striker David Goodwillie.


    Goodwillie: Nineteen goals in 2010/11
    The 22-year-old has been linked with a number of clubs, including some from the English Premier League, after an excellent campaign in 2010/11.

    Goodwillie scored 19 goals last season and in March signed a contract extension with United that lasts until 2014.

    United are therefore under no pressure to allow the new Scotland international to leave.

    But SPL champions Rangers are understood to have made enquiries as new boss Ally McCoist sets about attempting to make improvements to his squad.

    Interesting, would be a great partner for Jelavic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    TheBuilder wrote: »
    Interesting, would be a great partner for Jelavic.

    Good player. He certainly has shown his attacking instincts so far, he could be a real predator in the box. He'd force his way into the team in no time


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    Good player. He certainly has shown his attacking instincts so far, he could be a real predator in the box. He'd force his way into the team in no time

    Now now :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Watching this whole debate now about the new Bill to tackle sectarianism:

    'Rule Britannia could be offensive'
    'Crossing yourself in a certain manner could be offensive'

    What a ****ing joke, how about they try to tackle knife crimes, gangs, obesity, poverty,... instead ?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Watching this whole debate now about the new Bill to tackle sectarianism:

    'Rule Britannia could be offensive'
    'Crossing yourself in a certain manner could be offensive'

    What a ****ing joke, how about they try to tackle knife crimes, gangs, obesity, poverty,... instead ?

    Roseanna Cunningham talks alot of nonsense, Rule Britannia is an offensive song? As some have said on other forums is she going to target all the other teams in Britain that sing it and also BBC's last night at the proms where its always sang?

    Its pathetic and way OTT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Watching this whole debate now about the new Bill to tackle sectarianism:

    'Rule Britannia could be offensive'
    'Crossing yourself in a certain manner could be offensive'

    What a ****ing joke, how about they try to tackle knife crimes, gangs, obesity, poverty,... instead ?

    Unbelivable stuff coming out of scotland at the moment.

    It's always far easier, yet wrong, to attack the symptom rather than the disease, and once again this is what Scottish authorities are doing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Unbelivable stuff coming out of scotland at the moment.

    It's always far easier, yet wrong, to attack the symptom rather than the disease, and once again this is what Scottish authorities are doing.

    I think these the laws are going to be a joke

    What would you do Bobby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    I think these laws will protect the intolerant in Scottish Society and the police/stewards will become more totalitarian during matchdays.

    Someone wears a t-shirt with the pope/queen, bigots start mouthing off/getting hostile. Who should be locked up? The lad that wore the t-shirt gets a court appearance but its the bigots that should be be locked up/removed from society.

    I dont see these laws creating tolerance but rather achieve reduction in religiously motivated crime by a form of segregation. The politicians and police will be patting themselves on the back in a year from now as numbers look good on paper but Scottish society will be no more tolerant or integrated than now. It probably be more 'sensitive' as each side will try to get the +1 on the other in a tit for tat battle of political correctness.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    RANGERS MAKE BID FOR CUELLAR

    Rangers have confirmed they have lodged an offer with Aston Villa as they step up their bid to take Carlos Cuellar back to Ibrox.

    But owner Craig Whyte has told new Villa boss Alex McLeish that goalkeeper Allan McGregor is not for sale.

    McLeish has already been linked with a move for the Scotland number one but the sale of McGregor appears unlikely to be used as part of a deal to bring defender Cuellar to Glasgow.

    Whyte said: "I've said that Allan is not for sale. We have not been approached by anybody about him.

    "We've made a bid for Cuellar but, with their managerial change, it has slowed there a bit."

    Meanwhile, Whyte believes a £2million asking price for Dundee United striker David Goodwillie is too much but refused to rule out further dialogue with the Tannadice club.

    He added: "I think, for that individual player, £2million is too steep.

    "But I am sure there are more conversations to be had with Dundee United.

    "That price is too high in my opinion but others might have a different view."

    Be a great signing if we get him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Yet again sports throws up a remarkable story.

    A 17-year-old Gaelic football-playing Catholic from Northern Ireland has signed professional soccer forms with Glasgow Rangers, for so long a bastion of Protestantism and still the favoured team of people of that religion in the province.

    In the world of professional sport personal beliefs or backgrounds matter little – except perhaps to the die-hard fans. Talent is the common currency and young Aaron McGregor displays plenty of that. Let us hope that he fulfils his promise and becomes the soccer equivalent of our other bright young star, Rory McIlroy.

    Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/viewpoint/editors-viewpoint-let-his-star-shine-16014732.html#ixzz1Q080ohqp

    Now where's that season ticket so I can burn it ? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Is he a goal keeper?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    He's a midfielder, he will go to Glasgow and further his education there as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    He's a midfielder, he will go to Glasgow and further his education there as well.

    He's already been in Glasgow for a while, I guess it's caught the headlines because they've upgraded him to a professional lately


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    gordonsmith3.jpg

    Anybody else getting the feeling that Whyte is struggling for a few bob? :p


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