Pádraic Nally: After the Headlines - RTE2 9.30pm

my friend · 12-03-2012 11:19pm

If Michael D doesn't make the term hopefully someone will nominate Padraig for Prez

ProudDUB · 12-03-2012 11:21pm

I'd vote for him for sure.

Gripping stuff in fairness. Good man Padraig Nally for not backing down one whit with his opinions.

Skid · 12-03-2012 11:22pm

The new law is fairly reasonable, it gives the Courts enough discretion when someone is clearly defending their Property and Family.

MyKeyG · 12-03-2012 11:22pm

I'd vote for him too!

MyKeyG · 12-03-2012 11:23pm

Thargor wrote: »

Ah Charlies doing okay here, he's asking the right questions.

Have to agree with you there Paraic Nally is no orator!

InchicoreDude · 12-03-2012 11:24pm

Ah Charlies doing okay here, he's asking the right questions.

He seemed far too obsessed to get P.Nally to come out and say he was a hero for doing what he did. Or to come out and say what he did was wrong. It is clear to me that Bird feels Nally was wrong.

leahyl · 12-03-2012 11:24pm

Jesus his house is manky dirty!

laugh · 12-03-2012 11:24pm

Would you do it again?, "Well I've no gun now", I like it.

Eire. · 12-03-2012 11:24pm

Good man Padraic, what is this world coming to??!!

ProudDUB · 12-03-2012 11:25pm

John Ward " a victim of circumstance" ???? Me arse !

PN is the victim here, not that thug.

guinnessdrinker · 12-03-2012 11:25pm

What a sad story.

Skid · 12-03-2012 11:25pm

They could have edited that Graveyard scene better.

Should have left out the clearly identifiable graves with the fresh wreaths. Probably belong to people who have just died.

Spudmonkey · 12-03-2012 11:26pm

InchicoreDude wrote: »

He seemed far too obsessed to get P.Nally to come out and say he was a hero for doing what he did. Or to come out and say what he did was wrong. It is clear to me that Bird feels Nally was wrong.

Sounded a bit like that with the way he finished the report.

Galwayguy35 · 12-03-2012 11:27pm

That headstone probably cost the price of a good car.

my friend · 12-03-2012 11:28pm

Were they the frogs teeth hanging on the chain around the tombstone?

Kerrydude1981 · 12-03-2012 11:28pm

InchicoreDude wrote: »

He seemed far too obsessed to get P.Nally to come out and say he was a hero for doing what he did. Or to come out and say what he did was wrong. It is clear to me that Bird feels Nally was wrong.

What kinda of answer was Charlie hoping to hear to the question "What would you like to be remembered for?" Id say he was hoping Padraig would say he would like to be remembered for shooting a traveller

JONJO THE MISER · 12-03-2012 11:28pm

:eek: What's that noise outside......... *Loads shotgun*

Spudmonkey · 12-03-2012 11:28pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

That headstone probably cost the price of a good car.

They spare no expense. It's ironic, they have the most obnoxious headstones as if butter wouldn't melt.

leahyl · 12-03-2012 11:28pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

That headstone probably cost the price of a good car.

Just about to say the same thing myself yet Ward was trying to break into that house?! WTF for? Cos he was a mindless thug thats why

InisMor · 12-03-2012 11:30pm

Jesus, Charlie, hasn't the man been through enough fear without you suggesting someone is going to shoot him.

twirlagig · 12-03-2012 11:31pm

Skid wrote: »

They could have edited that Graveyard scene better.

Should have left out the clearly identifiable graves with the fresh wreaths. Probably belong to people who have just died.

Yeah, couldn't they have blurred the names??

Da Shins Kelly · 12-03-2012 11:33pm

I don't really get the whole 'Fair play to him' stance. I feel sorry for him to a certain extent given his fear, but I wouldn't be wholeheartedly in support of what he did. He still killed an unarmed person.

The Cool · 12-03-2012 11:34pm

I also feel really sorry for him. Fair play he stands his ground, doesn't make out that he wouldn't do it again, but you can see it has emotionally aged him. Seems to be just exhausted - tired of people and their rubbish.

InisMor · 12-03-2012 11:34pm

They haven't mentioned Ward's criminal record in this?

lennyloulou · 12-03-2012 11:36pm

I lived in my own in the country from 22-30yrs- alone, female, in the country ( 15miles from the nearest town/Garda) and fully supported Padraig and still do.
I undersand his fear. Thankfully I was never faced with this similar situation but would defend myself as best i could if i were faced with the same situation.
I cannot begin to describe how travellers have tormented and blatantly stolen in broad daylight from my elderly neighbours and local shopkeeper who is 80yrs plus. This happens every couple months....
I am a teacher and work in a mixed school with students from various backgrounds. We have a number of travellers- based on my ten year teaching experience - ALL resources pumped into this group in Irish society is completly and utterly wasted. In spite of all resources/free books/free uniforms/ SNA/Resource hours for extra english- we are constantly met with stealing/verbal abuse from students and parents/ continuous absences and defiant behaviour......
We also had a small family shop growing up in the 70/80's.... my parents regularly gave essentials eg bread , milk to well known traveller families who came looking for food.... these families were different - never stole from us......
Hold Your Head High Padraig

johngalway · 12-03-2012 11:38pm

InisMor wrote: »

They haven't mentioned Ward's criminal record in this?

Nor his other "issues".

shinny · 12-03-2012 11:38pm

Padraic is no fool to those who alluded to that. He's typical of a bachelor living on his own in rural Ireland. Maybe not 'book smart' but he's no eejit.

What struck me while watching this is how much his life was turned upside down. He was taken out of his environment, put on trial, served jail time and then finally gets to go back home. And none of this was his own doing, it was all brought upon him.

People need to know that if you break into someone's home and they catch you, then you suffer the consequence of your actions. It's your choice.

Hogzy · 12-03-2012 11:38pm

I hope at the very least that Padraid has gotten himself a phone.

tayto lover · 12-03-2012 11:40pm

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I don't really get the whole 'Fair play to him' stance. I feel sorry for him to a certain extent given his fear, but I wouldn't be wholeheartedly in support of what he did. He still killed an unarmed person.

I feel sorry for Nally too. He is poorly educated and caught up in the hype created by his neighbours and the media. There is no doubt he was living in fear though and hiding out in his shed. Loneliness was a major cause of his problems I believe and the fact that his farm is isolated.

Duckworth_Luas · 12-03-2012 11:41pm

Did Mr Nally have a trained legal professional at hand when he was asked these questions?

Technocentral · 12-03-2012 11:41pm

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I don't really get the whole 'Fair play to him' stance. I feel sorry for him to a certain extent given his fear, but I wouldn't be wholeheartedly in support of what he did. He still killed an unarmed person.

Yeah I feel sorry for Nally (a bit mentally ill I think) but you can't excuse someone and especially not admire them for killing an unarmed person, beating up, maybe yeah, but going back to finish off no way, criminal record or not.

adamski8 · 12-03-2012 11:43pm

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Did Mr Nally have a trained legal professional at hand when he was asked these questions?

why would he? even if he said it was cold blood murder he cant be charged again

WaltKowalski · 12-03-2012 11:44pm

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Did Mr Nally have a trained legal professional at hand when he was asked these questions?

I thought his answers seemed prepared.
Though he's probably answered the same questions so often that they seem rehearsed.
I feel sorry for him.
Do we know why he was such a target, what ward was coming back for?

NickDrake · 12-03-2012 11:46pm

WaltKowalski wrote: »

I thought his answers seemed prepared.
Though he's probably answered the same questions so often that they seem rehearsed.
I feel sorry for him.
Do we know why he was such a target, what ward was coming back for?

what do you think? Money of course. He was an old man leaving alone.

Ward's motives are clear . He kept coming back and back

rebel without a clue · 12-03-2012 11:48pm

very interesting programme, great that he stands by his statements and opinions and didnt back down. charlie got on my tits at the end though- was he trying to just get nally to say "he deserved to die and i'd definitely do it again"?? he was kinda baiting him. i hope he lives out his days in peace and at peace with himself. he was tormented by those thiefs and driven to it.

gally · 12-03-2012 11:51pm

Nally had items stolen previously including if I remember correctly,his chainsaw.

threeball · 12-03-2012 11:55pm

Charlie Bird is an obnoxious sh1t stirring twat who had to drag a man through this whole experience again in an attempt to keep himself relevant.

Cleary biased towards the travellers side also, trying to trip Nally up with his line of questioning.

Bird wouldn't last 3 minutes alone in Nallys home on a dark night. How much squeeling did he do when he was in the Amazon where the camera men outnumbered the mosquitos.

Eire. · 13-03-2012 12:03am

lennyloulou wrote: »

I lived in my own in the country from 22-30yrs- alone, female, in the country ( 15miles from the nearest town/Garda) and fully supported Padraig and still do.
I undersand his fear. Thankfully I was never faced with this similar situation but would defend myself as best i could if i were faced with the same situation.
I cannot begin to describe how travellers have tormented and blatantly stolen in broad daylight from my elderly neighbours and local shopkeeper who is 80yrs plus. This happens every couple months....
I am a teacher and work in a mixed school with students from various backgrounds. We have a number of travellers- based on my ten year teaching experience - ALL resources pumped into this group in Irish society is completly and utterly wasted. In spite of all resources/free books/free uniforms/ SNA/Resource hours for extra english- we are constantly met with stealing/verbal abuse from students and parents/ continuous absences and defiant behaviour......
We also had a small family shop growing up in the 70/80's.... my parents regularly gave essentials eg bread , milk to well known traveller families who came looking for food.... these families were different - never stole from us......
Hold Your Head High Padraig

Lennylou fair play to you! You hit the nail on the head with everything you said there, I wish the do gooders would wake up and realise that the wool is being pulled over their eyes big time. If it was happening in their own back yard they wouldn't be long standing up and shouting about it. but it's so easy to be subjective and say oh i would have done this and you cant do that, at the end of the day this man was protecting what was his, end of.

washman3 · 13-03-2012 12:31am

leahyl wrote: »

Jesus his house is manky dirty!

Its his home, he was always happy there.
And its paid for too.

sh1tstirrer · 13-03-2012 12:38am

I can see a movie in the making "Nally get your gun"

MyKeyG · 13-03-2012 1:53am

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

I can see a movie in the making "Nally get your gun"

Machine gun Nally

mikom · 13-03-2012 1:54am

Hogzy wrote: »

I hope at the very least that Padraid has gotten himself a phone.

Heard his ringtone is the "crazy frog".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnrnGX01VzI

squonk · 13-03-2012 2:27pm

Yes, Lennyloulou, well said. Frankly it's easy for those from an urban background to come out and say that Nally was wrong, and to a point he was but he didn't shoot the first traveller that entered his property. He was terrorised and was living in a state of fear. Travellers don't have that sort of impact in urban areas so it's hard to relate to the same situation in a rural setting. Frankly Ward was quite brazen and I certainly support Nally. He had a right to defend his property and the message has to get out there that if you act like a scumbag then you shouldn't be surprised to be treated as one also.

I'm from a rural area and can relate to the situation. I've known traveller families who were decent and respectable and I would wish that the entire group was comprised of people like this. In recent years however it seems they've become, at best, a bunch of freeloaders living it up at the taxpayer's expense. At worst they're a menace to the local area. I certainly grew up being very aware to lock everything and double check it when travellers were around. There was heightened vigillence which was justified because I've known several neighbours who have had their farmyards burgled. It's time that the handouts stop and that the Gardai stop mollycoddling them when their brawls break out. Instead of bringing in mediators, the culprits should be locked up as would anybody in the settled community who engaged in an brawl in public with other members of their family. Everybody is entitled to peaceful enjoyment of their goods and property and this was taken away from Paraic Nally by Mr. Ward. If you push a man to the edge, you have to expect him to snap and this obviously happened Paraic Nally. At the end of the day, Ward was trespassing and a thief and guilty of harrassment. Not a nice guy by a long stretch.

nc6000 · 13-03-2012 3:33pm

I believe that if someone breaks into your house or is on your property trying to steal from you then you should be allowed to use whatever force is necessary to defend yourself, your family and your property.

If this was the case then maybe burgulars would think twice before trying to break into a house or steal a car. The thought of having the living s**t knocked out of them might put them off.

MIRMIR82 · 13-03-2012 3:51pm

I think anyone living in an urban setting would have no understanding of what drove Nally to do what he done.
I found Charlie Birds view on rural life very offensive - he thinks all people living in rural Ireland are like hill-billys.
I think the reason this case was so big is because i think the majority of people in Ireland would like to be able to protect their own property(reasonably) without having to worry about going to jail themselves.
If Nally had a wife and 3 young kids in the house there would be no arguement by ANYONE!!!

Riskymove · 13-03-2012 4:17pm

nc6000 wrote: »

I believe that if someone breaks into your house or is on your property trying to steal from you then you should be allowed to use whatever force is necessary to defend yourself, your family and your property.

ok, but isn't the definition of that concept the whole problem here?

nc6000 · 13-03-2012 5:46pm

Riskymove wrote: »

ok, but isn't the definition of that concept the whole problem here?

I should have left out the "is necessary" bit.

InchicoreDude · 13-03-2012 7:03pm

I found Charlie Birds view on rural life very offensive - he thinks all people living in rural Ireland are like hill-billys.

It was apparent to me that Bird didnt have a clue about rural life.

rebel without a clue · 13-03-2012 9:24pm

it annoyed me when charlie bird was surprised when nally said he had never been abroad. like, so what charlie??! whats that got to do with the situation? if nally went abroad, does charlie think it would have broadened his mind and he might not have shot ward? plenty of people nallys age have never been abroad. charlie didnt do too good himself when abroad!!!

Callisto99 · 14-03-2012 12:31am

I found it quite condescending of Charlo to refer to Mr Nally as a "relic" in the final part of the program. His assertion was that his mindset / way of life is not relevant in the Ireland of today. Nothing could be further from the truth and for a supposed journalist to make this assertion on prime time tv on a state broadcaster was quite disconcerting.

I was bemused that Charlo had failed to grasp the real issue here which is the sense of isolation felt by those living alone in rural areas. This sense of isolation has been accelerated by the demise of a local social scene in rural communities which previously centred on the local pub. "The bag" as it is referred to has been the primary reason for this demise and those who campaign for zero alcohol limits should recognise this major social problem. This isolation serves to compounds the sense of fear felt by these rural dwellers when confronted with an increasingly brazen section of society who blatanly disregard the rights of others and the laws of the land.

Charlo had a great opportunity to make a brilliant piece of TV with this piece but, quite predictably, it ended up with him probing Mr Nally for a reaction to create a tabloid headline and gain Mr Bird some kudos in the process.

A broadcaster like Cathal O'Shannon would turn in his grave.

Pádraic Nally: After the Headlines - RTE2 9.30pm

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