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[Article] Dempsey says Broadstone line to Luas, Docklands can stay open

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  • #52
    fast1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29 ✭fast1


    The transport minister is a moron.

    What Dublin needs is a Transport Terminal like ever other city on the planet. 1 "Central" place where everything is joined - whether it be Connolly, Dockland or Broadstone.

    All trains go here
    All Luas go here
    All "metro" go here

    From that one stop you can go anywhere it lets you go (even then it won't get you very far)

    If most other cities can do it why can't Dublin?

    It is stupid having the luas finish here, the maynooth trains go there, the galway train over there, the dart back over here...it just doesn't make sense.

    Put all the platforms and rail lines underground until its out of the city.

    Look at Sydney's Central and Townhall stations - 30+ platforms all underground. From the street level you would'nt know it was even there.


  • #53
    invincibleirish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭invincibleirish


    fast1 wrote: »
    The transport minister is a moron.

    What Dublin needs is a Transport Terminal like ever other city on the planet. 1 "Central" place where everything is joined - whether it be Connolly, Dockland or Broadstone.

    All trains go here
    All Luas go here
    All "metro" go here

    From that one stop you can go anywhere it lets you go (even then it won't get you very far)

    If most other cities can do it why can't Dublin?

    It is stupid having the luas finish here, the maynooth trains go there, the galway train over there, the dart back over here...it just doesn't make sense.

    Put all the platforms and rail lines underground until its out of the city.

    Look at Sydney's Central and Townhall stations - 30+ platforms all underground. From the street level you would'nt know it was even there.

    Whoa hang on there buddy, that sounds dangerously like joined up thinking! do you know where we are? its Ireland not Bleedin' Germany!


  • #54
    Ham'nd'egger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭Ham'nd'egger


    loyatemu wrote: »
    swings and roundabouts - if the minister owns the companies then they are publicly owned.

    Not so, Loyaltemu. As with Aer Lingus, the Minister can offload CIE at a time of his (or Cabinet's) choosing and the company has to trade legally within company laws etc. It simply is a company owned by an organ of state. That said, it is run in the interests of the State, or is meant to be.


  • #55
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    fast1 wrote: »
    .....If most other cities can do it why can't Dublin? ....

    I'm all for integrated transport nodes, but let me get this straight, you want all intercity, commuter, Dart, Luas, and metro rail services to stop at one central rail station?

    Never mind about the cost, the cost vs benefit etc... finding the space anywhere in Dublin for this magic station that could accommodate all intercity and commuter services above ground would be near imposable.

    And it is not something that happens in "ever other city on the planet". There are normally transport hubs which connect to each other.
    fast1 wrote: »
    Put all the platforms and rail lines underground until its out of the city.

    Think about it for a second: intercity and commuter services can't have underground platforms in Dublin.


  • #56
    D.L.R.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    Re Docklands station and its "temporary" status.

    I always thought this was a bit screwy. Are we so stupidly rich now that we can afford to throw money at transient infrastructure? And for what? As I understand it, the site for the permanent station is only 100 metres or so from the current station. That leads me to ask:

    1 - why can't the IC just integrate with the current station?
    2 - why build a temp station if it is not suitable in the long run - ie why not acquire the land and build in the permanent location to begin with?

    My conclusion is that this country is run by gangsters and that their interests are always put first. The rest of us are just feeding on the scraps. The best we can hope for is they eventually realise that a well planned rail network is actually in their interests too. It is incredible to me how regularly the greater good is forgotten when it comes to Dublin rail. Be it Luas BX, the Park tunnel or the Metro.

    As for these rumblings about the IC, well for me it is the only piece of new railway on the drawing board that is truly first-class in its design. Everything else planned comes up short in one way or another. It simply MUST be built.


  • #57
    marmajam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭marmajam


    D.L.R. wrote: »
    Re Docklands station and its "temporary" status.

    I always thought this was a bit screwy. Are we so stupidly rich now that we can afford to throw money at transient infrastructure? And for what? As I understand it, the site for the permanent station is only 100 metres or so from the current station. That leads me to ask:

    1 - why can't the IC just integrate with the current station?
    2 - why build a temp station if it is not suitable in the long run - ie why not acquire the land and build in the permanent location to begin with?

    My conclusion is that this country is run by gangsters and that their interests are always put first. The rest of us are just feeding on the scraps. The best we can hope for is they eventually realise that a well planned rail network is actually in their interests too. It is incredible to me how regularly the greater good is forgotten when it comes to Dublin rail. Be it Luas BX, the Park tunnel or the Metro.

    As for these rumblings about the IC, well for me it is the only piece of new railway on the drawing board that is truly first-class in its design. Everything else planned comes up short in one way or another. It simply MUST be built.
    Yes they're all ludramauns. Lucky you are there to spot it after a few pints. It never occured to them to do as you suggest - just built temporary station for the hell of it. And certainly if they get those new amphibious DARTS that will swim through the Liffey they can EASILY make the permanent stn = the temporary stn. There's no end of whizz ideas that are obvious just by glancing out over the Royal canal.


  • #58
    DWCommuter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    Re Docklands station and its "temporary" status.

    I always thought this was a bit screwy. Are we so stupidly rich now that we can afford to throw money at transient infrastructure? And for what? As I understand it, the site for the permanent station is only 100 metres or so from the current station. That leads me to ask:

    1 - why can't the IC just integrate with the current station?
    2 - why build a temp station if it is not suitable in the long run - ie why not acquire the land and build in the permanent location to begin with?

    My conclusion is that this country is run by gangsters and that their interests are always put first. The rest of us are just feeding on the scraps. The best we can hope for is they eventually realise that a well planned rail network is actually in their interests too. It is incredible to me how regularly the greater good is forgotten when it comes to Dublin rail. Be it Luas BX, the Park tunnel or the Metro.

    As for these rumblings about the IC, well for me it is the only piece of new railway on the drawing board that is truly first-class in its design. Everything else planned comes up short in one way or another. It simply MUST be built.

    That post contains a semblence of reality.
    Yes they're all ludramauns. Lucky you are there to spot it after a few pints. It never occured to them to do as you suggest - just built temporary station for the hell of it. And certainly if they get those new amphibious DARTS that will swim through the Liffey they can EASILY make the permanent stn = the temporary stn. There's no end of whizz ideas that are obvious just by glancing out over the Royal canal.

    That post is well.....ahem....humorous, irrelevent and very unlike the previous efforts from the same mind. Hmmmm.......

    Another conspiracy theory in the making?

    Anyway, as the proprietor of so much debate on this particular thread, I was indeed referring to the Interconnector. In my opinion the retention of Docklands post 10 years suggests a lack of belief for the IC at Government level. Its ambitious, expensive, revolutionary and badly needed. When has an Irish Government delivered a project with those facets, as promised?

    If some feel comfortable calling me a conspiracy theorist, then go ahead. There are many here like me and all of them know a thing or two about the subject.


  • #59
    marmajam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭marmajam


    DWCommuter wrote: »
    That post contains a semblence of reality.



    That post is well.....ahem....humorous, irrelevent and very unlike the previous efforts from the same mind. Hmmmm.......

    Another conspiracy theory in the making?

    Anyway, as the proprietor of so much debate on this particular thread, I was indeed referring to the Interconnector. In my opinion the retention of Docklands post 10 years suggests a lack of belief for the IC at Government level. Its ambitious, expensive, revolutionary and badly needed. When has an Irish Government delivered a project with those facets, as promised?

    If some feel comfortable calling me a conspiracy theorist, then go ahead. There are many here like me and all of them know a thing or two about the subject.
    Any person who was seriously privy to any schemes would not be on this forum.
    There is a lot like you.


  • #60
    DWCommuter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    marmajam wrote: »
    Any person who was seriously privy to any schemes would not be on this forum.
    There is a lot like you.

    I never said I was privy to anything. I cast my opinion based on a number of factors, in the economic, historical and political areas. In particular nearly 5 years at the coalface of this entire Interconnector subject.

    I don't speak with careless abandon or just for the sake of it. My opinion may be wrong and I will gladly stand up and admit it if it turns out that way. However, you should accept that there is a growing number of interested parties that now doubt the possibility of the Interconnector and indeed a railway to Navan. Personally, I'd love to see both, but I have very little belief, due to the aforementioned criteria.

    Just because I post here, it doesn't mean Im an imbecilic moaner with no knowledge of what Im talking about. Many posters here have an in dept knowledge of transport and share it.


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  • #61
    marmajam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭marmajam


    DWCommuter wrote: »
    I never said I was privy to anything. I cast my opinion based on a number of factors, in the economic, historical and political areas. In particular nearly 5 years at the coalface of this entire Interconnector subject.

    I don't speak with careless abandon or just for the sake of it. My opinion may be wrong and I will gladly stand up and admit it if it turns out that way. However, you should accept that there is a growing number of interested parties that now doubt the possibility of the Interconnector and indeed a railway to Navan. Personally, I'd love to see both, but I have very little belief, due to the aforementioned criteria.

    Just because I post here, it doesn't mean Im an imbecilic moaner with no knowledge of what Im talking about. Many posters here have an in dept knowledge of transport and share it.
    Let's hope it gets built.
    It almost certainly will.


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