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2010 Cooking Club Week 24: Chilli!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Ponster wrote: »
    I make the BBC one when I get home from work and feel like some chilli. I make Sparks recipe when I have friends around that I want to impress and have a couple of days to prepare :)

    Is that the Jo Pratt one? I make it all the time. Great recipe. I always double the recipe and freeze tonnes of it in 2 serving portions. It's great for those evenings when you can't be bothered to cook but want something really tasty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    April 1st..?
    Yup :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I was going to ask Sparks a q about the recipe, but seeing as he's closed his account, there's not much point.
    Sorry 'bout that Mr.B, but ask away!
    About the chipotle in adobo thing, I found a Chipotle Tabasco in Tesco and it seems to have done the trick.
    Ah. Right. No, it probably hasn't. I have the chipotle tabasco as well, and it's nothing like chipotles in adobo sauce. Seriously, they're as different as tomato ketchup and a tin of chopped tomatoes.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Nope, it was the one that Mr Benevolent linked to. Though I'll try out the one that you suggested next :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Sparks wrote: »
    Ah. Right. No, it probably hasn't. I have the chipotle tabasco as well, and it's nothing like chipotles in adobo sauce. Seriously, they're as different as tomato ketchup and a tin of chopped tomatoes.

    Looking at it closer I might have overcooked it, none of the meat was identifiable! It'll get eaten anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Jesus lads I hope this is worth it! I'd to make over an hour's journey to West London to an obscure spice shop to get Chipotle in Adobo and New Mexican Red chillis. For four chillis (35g) it came to £5! They're huge yokes though so maybe I'll only use two and save the rest for another dish.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Best chili I've ever eaten, and I've cooked it like three times now. Enjoy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Fair play is all I can say. It was well worth the hassle getting all the ingredients! I stewed that bad boy for over 6 hours. The steak completely came apart in shreds, absolutely beautiful. I've been stuffing burritos into my face all day yesterday and today. I used pinto and Mexican turtle beans and they were great in comparison to mushy kidney beans. Outstanding!

    I'll post pics soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Glad to hear you liked it FTA :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    It was great! I'm posting over Chipotles in Adobo as well as New Mexican reds to my mam at home, she's excited about the whole affair now. (God we're sad bastards.) One thing I'll do next time is increase the heat though. I used 4 New mexico reds and six fresh chillis as well as 2tsp of cayenne pepper and it still was much too mild for me. The again, I'd eat a vindaloo for breakfast so I'm not a good gauge in that regard. I went to a chilli cookoff in Nevada (Hell's Angels convention, mad craic) and to be honest this version if up there with the best I had there. Well done mate.


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  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    I brought several cans of chopitles in adobo back from the US with me on my last visit, they're cheap as chips over there. I agree about dialling up the heat, I made the last batch quite a bit fierier, and it was lovely.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Well mine is now cooking in a normal pot as we speak. Not sure how long it will need but it is 19:38 now so I am debating eating it tomorrow and just getting pizza from my local Schützenverein restaurant for tonight instead.

    Did all kinds of replacements to the main recipe of the thread so no idea how this will turn out but will let you know either later or tomorrow.

    As for feeding it to the baby.... how was the nappy experience the next day? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    As for feeding it to the baby.... how was the nappy experience the next day? :)

    Actually it was completely normal.


    ...which isn't to say it was pleasant, you understand :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,644 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Made this earlier in the week. I didn't have time to get to F&B for the dried chillis and adobo sauce, so ended up using regular chillis from Aldi with Franks, with some chilli and cayenne powder thrown in for good measure.

    It was really nice, but I think the dried chillis would have made it much better. I have made chilli in the past and it was always meh, but the texture of this was by far the best feature. From now on, regardless of what ingredients I use, I will always use the same steps as outlined here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Glad you liked it - but while the dried chillis do add to the taste quite a bit, it really is the chipotles in adobo that makes the dish. If you can't get to F&B's, you can actually get them online (there are a few places in the UK that will ship them here). It really is worth trying the chilli with them!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,644 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    My freezer is now filled with some frozen slabs of chilli and I need to clear the thing for a defrost, so I'll try again in a few weeks.

    I live in Dublin so getting to F&B isn't a problem. I bought a massive crock pot this week for my soups and came to this forum to see what else I could make. This was an obvious choice :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Mrs Fox


    I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this crowd mymexicanshop.ie that I came across, they have Chipotle in Adobo in cans, and 2 types of masa harina too. I haven't got the chance to pop in F&B so I might order these from that site.

    Sparks, is masa harina the same as cornmeal that you get in health shops?

    I can't wait to try this chilli


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Mrs Fox wrote: »
    Sparks, is masa harina the same as cornmeal that you get in health shops?
    Nope, different stuff. Well. They're both ground flour made with corn; the difference is that cornmeal is where you dry the corn and grind it (and we're talking maize here, not sweetcorn btw); but masa harina is where you nixmatalise the corn first (ie. soak it in a weak lye solution, originally made with wood ash and water, but done these days with chemicals) and then grind the paste and dry it (the paste itself is called masa when wet). They taste different and they act different when you cook with them - for example, you can make tortillas with masa but you can't with cornmeal; and masa makes for pretty lousy polenta...




  • Registered Users Posts: 41 emec


    Brilliant recipe Sparks! I have read the whole thread a few times, it must be one of the most thorough and most informative cooking club threads! Thanks for keeping an eye on the thread and answering so many questions.

    I have some in my slow cooker and it smelled amazing, even at 7am this morning! First taste last night was very promising.

    I hope you don't mind but I wrote it up the slow cooker recipe as a word document for my computer illiterate mam. I will post it here in case anyone else wants it?

    It is just the basic step by step. I would definitely still read the first two posts, because there are great explanations of all the chilli and all ingredients and the pictures are really helpful.


    Slow cooker Chilli


    (Recipe by sparks, boards.ie -http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055938138)

    Okay, first off, chilli is like religion in some parts. Lots of different views on it and some people get very irate when you even mention that there are alternatives to their take on it. Add beans to a texan's chilli and you apparently risk a punch-up. And don't ever mention the origins of the dish, because nobody knows exactly where it came from and it seems everyone claims it bar the mexicans, who think it's a weird kind of stew and that they have far better food at home.

    But at its basic core, chilli is just a braised beef stew, flavoured with chillis, chilli powder, cumin and thyme. Everything else is an optional extra, but miss any of those core bits and you don't have chilli. Please note - tomatoes are not on that list. Chilli is a beef stew, not beef in tomato sauce.

    Like any stew, it freezes reasonably well, and keeps in the fridge for a week. It does have beans, I like them. If you don't, just don't add them, it'll work just as well. Maybe a little less liquid if you don't add the beans, or a little more masa at the end.

    Ingredients:
    680g/1.5lb chopped beef (pref stewing, shin etc) cubed and trimmed
    2-3 tsp chipotle chillis in adobo sauce (1 tsp per batch of meat)
    450g/1lb rib steak mince
    200g lightly trimmed and cubed unsmoked back bacon/streaky bacon
    1 inch diced chorizo
    2 chopped onions
    1-2 star anise (if available, not essential)
    2 chopped fresh chillis (jalapeno or preferred variety)
    4/5 cloves chopped garlic
    1 inch diced ginger
    4 chopped rehydrated dried new mexico red chillis (rehydrate in water, discard water)
    Spice mix: (use already ground spice if seeds not available – grinding seeds gives fresher taste)
    - 1 tsp cumin seeds
    - ½ tsp fennel seeds
    - ½ tsp black peppercorns
    - 1 tsp sea salt
    - 1 tsp chilli powder
    1 tsp Worcestershire sauce
    ½ tsp Nam Pla/fish sauce
    1 bottle beer (eg Heineken) (not stout or heavy lager)
    2 tsp dried thyme
    2 tbsp tomato puree
    1 tsp paprika
    1 tsp jalapeno chilli flakes
    1lb/450g black and/or pinto beans (pre-soaked or tinned)
    2-3 tbsp masa harina (Mexican limed corn flour use or plain flour if not available)

    Method:
    1. Toss the beef in salt and olive oil, then brown in batches in frying pan/pot on very high heat, with one teaspoon of adobo sauce added to each batch as it finishes up. Remove to slow cooker (or mixing bowl if slow cooker is small)
    2. Brown the bacon along with the diced chorizo (add the chorizo in only for the last minute or two of cooking, or it will burn). Remove to slow cooker.
    3. Brown the mince until dry and crumbly. Remove to slow cooker.
    4. Sweat the onions down with one whole star anise and some salt, put in slow cooker. (discard the star anise).
    5. Fry the spice mix with the chopped fresh chillis, chopped rehydrated dried chillis, garlic and the ginger for a minute or three until very pungent, put in slow cooker.
    6. Deglaze the pan/pot with beer, add the Nam Pla and Worcestershire and get that boiling. Add the black beans, dried thyme, paprika, jalapeno flakes and tomato puree and mix.
    7. Add to all previous cooked ingredients in slow cooker(/mixing bowl) and mix to get it all combined.
    8. Cook on low for 8-10 hours or until the meat is tender and breaks apart easily. It might not look like there is enough liquid, but there is plenty.
    9. Add a tbsp of masa harina and then stir it in and leave it cook out, covered, for five minutes. If the gravy is still not thick enough, add more masa in teaspoon amounts, stirring and cooking for a few minutes each time, until the gravy is as thick as you want it. (Hint - don't get it too thick, you want it to be just a little more watery than you think you do, because it will keep thickening for the next hour or so as the masa and beans continue to hydrate).
    9. Serve with rice and sour cream, or with tortillas, sour cream, salsa, jalapenos and cheese.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Got the more "exotic" ingredients in F&B yesterday so I think I'm gonna make this over the weekend. I've no pressure cooker so I'm just gonna make it in my regular big pot that I make my normal chilli in. :) I've already bought other equipment for one of your recipes Sparks! Can't do it again, although I have thought about getting a pressure cooker...maybe in the future.

    Sparks wrote: »
    On to the rest of the ingredients:
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    The beer should be any ordinary beer. Not stout or weisbier, and not lager if you can help it. The former are too heavy and get horrible with cooking, the latter are too light. And you only need two bottles. One goes in the pot, one goes in the cook. :D (Yes, you can use water if you want to skip the small amount of alcohol that will remain after cooking, but it'll be less tasty).

    Now I don't want to be a total pedant here, buuuuuut........ that beer in your picture is a Lager.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Got the more "exotic" ingredients in F&B yesterday so I think I'm gonna make this over the weekend. I've no pressure cooker so I'm just gonna make it in my regular big pot that I make my normal chilli in. :) I've already bought other equipment for one of your recipes Sparks! Can't do it again, although I have thought about getting a pressure cooker...maybe in the future.
    Yeah, the pressure cookers (decent ones anyway) are expensive enough. Slow cookers, they're just €20-30, but a pressure cooker, that's another league. Mind you, they're not a one trick pony - any stew, any stock, anything that involves wet cooking in a pot, and they can not only do it, but do it faster.

    But so long as you cook it a bit longer and watch the liquid level, a normal pot is perfectly fine. The heaviest one you've got, though.

    Now I don't want to be a total pedant here, buuuuuut........ that beer in your picture is a Lager.
    Yeah, I was trying to get something heavier than bud but lighter than weisbier or stout, that was the closest I could find at the time. I've since tried it with budvar (meh), tsing tao (nice but a bit... thin), and hoegarden (yeah, the weisbeir blanc's aren't any better). I keep meaning to try corona, but it seems too gimmicky :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Sparks wrote: »
    Yeah, I was trying to get something heavier than bud but lighter than weisbier or stout, that was the closest I could find at the time. I've since tried it with budvar (meh), tsing tao (nice but a bit... thin), and hoegarden (yeah, the weisbeir blanc's aren't any better). I keep meaning to try corona, but it seems too gimmicky :D

    A slightly hoppy English Blonde Ale would be the way to go imo. Something like St. Austell's Proper Job, or my go to Ale for Stews, London Pride by Fullers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    All those keg lagers taste the same. Whether you use San Miguel, Corona etc you'll get the same result. There's no difference between them. I used Marstons Pale Ale and it was savage. Always go with a proper beer, it'll make all the difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    FTA69 wrote: »
    All those keg lagers taste the same.

    What's a 'keg lager' as opposed to any other lager? All beers are available in kegs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Not all beer is available in pressurised kegs, most ales come in casks and have to be pumped out by hand. There are decent lagers available from Germany and the Czech republic etc and these are of a far greater quality than the likes of Stella, San Miguel and all that other stuff which is usually full of chemicals. All those beers are pretty much the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Not all beer is available in pressurised kegs, most ales come in casks and have to be pumped out by hand.

    I'd actually say the opposite. Most beers are available in kegs, as are most ales. There's certainly a resurgence of cask ales at the moment but it's definitely in the minority.

    Generally speaking though, Beer (in modern terms) is the collective term for all drinks made from Water, Barley (or any grain), Hops & Yeast. Beer is then generally split into 2 groups, Ales & Lagers, with production methods and type of Yeast being the main defining factors. Historically speaking, the defining line between Beer & Ales was that Ales used to use flavourings other than hops.

    FTA69 wrote: »
    There are decent lagers available from Germany and the Czech republic etc and these are of a far greater quality than the likes of Stella, San Miguel and all that other stuff which is usually full of chemicals. All those beers are pretty much the same.
    This is true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    I forgot to add that I actually made this last week. I didn't have a pressure cooker so I reckon it made quite a big difference to the overall dish. I used a large pot but after about 2 hours cooking (on a very low heat) the bottom of the Chilli started to stick and burn, I had to transfer it to another pot. It didn't burn or stick after that. It also dried out an awful lot. I used 500ml of beer but I had to keep topping it up with water. After about 3 hours the steak pieces had turned to mush. It looked the way a stew looks the next day, with all the beef being stringy.

    Apart from that it was quite nice, probably not as nice as the Chilli Con Carne dish that's a regular at home. I'd love to take the best elements of both dishes and make a "Super Chilli" :D particularly the mixture of chillis in Spark's Chilli. They gave a real depth of flavour without being ridiculously hot, which can sometimes happen with the single chilli CCC that I make.

    I'd definitely like to make it again in a pressure cooker though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    It also dried out an awful lot. I used 500ml of beer but I had to keep topping it up with water.

    Yeah, I used a bottle of ale and had to use a further can and a half of lager that I had in the fridge.
    After about 3 hours the steak pieces had turned to mush. It looked the way a stew looks the next day, with all the beef being stringy.

    Ha that's what I loved about mine!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Ha that's what I loved about mine!
    :) Wasn't really a complaint, more so an observation. Although I was looking forward to all the different textures. Probably not achievable without a pressure cooker.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 2,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭horgan_p


    One big f**k off pot (doubled up on quantities) bubbling away nicely right now. Sparks did you think 3 years later we'd all still be making this ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    No! I knew I would be, but I didn't think everyone else would enjoy it quite so much. Nice to be wrong :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    I also have a pot on the go, enough for ten chillis minimum. I added three scotch bonnet chillis and it's fierce.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Just to update, got the chipotles in adobo and they're great. I made Sparks' chilli recipe once but as I don't have time and frankly it's too expensive, I tweaked the BBC recipe to substitute fresh chillis for the red peppers and include the chipotles in adobo, nam pla and star anise and it's great, very smokey and almost fruity. It's cheaper, easier and quicker as I don't have a pressure cooker. For me it's a good compromise between the two recipes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I went out shopping for this recipe earlier and managed to get everything except for the chipotles in adobo. I was hoping to cook this tonight in the slow cooker but I realise the chipotles are a key ingredient and it wouldn't be the same without them. Fallon & Byrne are all out of them and it might be next week before they restock, is there anywhere else around Dublin that sells them ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Mrs Fox


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    . Fallon & Byrne are all out of them and it might be next week before they restock, is there anywhere else around Dublin that sells them ?

    Think Aztec cafe on Dame St was mentioned before. They stock some authentic Mexican goodies


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,057 ✭✭✭MissFlitworth


    Saburrito in the Epicurean food hall should have rakes of of chipotles. The little Turkish supermarket across the road from it on Liffey Street has chipotles on occasion too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I finally got the chipotles in adobe sauce and did cooked this recipe in the slow cooker a few days ago. Wow what can I say but that it is all gone already ! It was delicious so I have to pay hommage to Sparks for the recipe.

    This is defintely going to be a regular dish in my house so I'm looking to get the full capacity of the slow cooker used and double the stewing beef, unsmoked bacon and mince quantities so I have tons left over to freeze. Should I just doube every single ingredient in the recipe to achieve the same results or is there anything i should hold back on. Also I want to make the chilli slightly more smokey, am I correct to say it is the chipotles in adobe that contributes this? If so how hot are these chillis ? Like the recipe calls for a spoonful per batch of browned meat, if I were to double this would it increase the spiciness considerably? Oor does that tent to come more from the fresh chillis and New Mexico ones ?


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    I think most of the heat is from the fresh chilis, the chipotles in adobo add relatively little in terms of spiciness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Glad you liked it Muahahaha. Like oB said, most of the heat's from the fresh chilli and the new mexico reds (and in my own version, the chilli powder because I've started making my own). The anchos are really mild and the chipotles even milder (they're just smoked jalapenos, which are the mildest chilli going, you could eat them raw without much pain). If you want to dial down the heat, cut back on the new mexico reds and the fresh chillis and add more adobo chillis to replace them (about the same quantities for the dried chillis and if you're swapping dried adobos for fresh chilli, use a bit more of the dried than you did of the fresh). And of course reverse that to dial up the heat. Personally I hit my limit when I get to the habaneros, but your milage may vary. Other than that, I'd keep all the ratios intact, but I wouldn't increase the batch sizes when browning and I'd watch the cooking times as well, you're going to need much longer when the quantities double, obviously. And that means that if you were cooking in an ordinary pot instead of a pressure cooker or a slow cooker, that you'd have to watch the liquid levels as you'd get more evaporation.

    BTW, this stuff freezes wonderfully, because the freezing and thawing just tenderises the meat even more (you might need to add a little flour or masa harina to thicken it up when it's thawed and heated though, but check first, it might be fine). I've had bowls of this that had been frozen for three months and they were great.

    And I have a pressure cooker full of the stuff at home for tea tonight too :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Thanks Sparks, I'm even jealous that you've got some to go home to ! It is actually that good. I'm going to double double up on the chipotles as I love the smoky flavour. I was actually really impressed with the spiciness of your recipe, impressed in that I could serve that to my elderly mother and I know she would enjoy the kick without it getting uncomfortable for her. I reckon I can handle a little more heat and will try a few combinations over the next while. Thanks again for your help=)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    No worries Muahahaha, glad you liked it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,644 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Weird coincidence. I also got my hands on some chipotles in adobo sauce and made this in my new slow cooker at the weekend.

    Last time I was in F&B, I bought some large dried chilies (can't remember what type) but couldn't find the chipotles. Subsequent chili, following the Sparks method, was a bit bland. I finally found some on mexgrocer.co.uk and ordered them, along with two bags of dried anchos which were on special offer. They really make a massive, massive difference to the flavour.

    When making it in the slow cooker, I browned all the meat in a frying pan and added them to the slow cooker. I omitted the beef chunks for capacity reasons. Also, instead of removing the onion/garlic/ginger from the frying pan before deglazing, I just added the spices and most of the liquid ingredients and friend them together before adding to the slow cooker, and then poured the beer and beans on top. I completely underestimated how much liquid the beans absorbed and got an awful fright from the slow cooker making weird noises as it had completely dried out. Two added cups of water later and it was grand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Two added cups of water later and it was grand.
    Tsk, tsk. ADD MOAR BEER!!! :D

    Naw, water's grand, but a little bland. Beer is good (no, seriously, the alcohol dissolves some of the compounds that give the dish taste but which aren't water-soluble -- same idea as you get in tomato sauces that use white wine or vodka), beef stock is good too for top-ups (I wouldn't use beef stock at the beginning, because you're making your own beef stock in the chilli as it cooks, so why bother?).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Sparks - just a quick Q. I know it is probably like asking how long is a piece of string but would you have any ideas of how many calories are in this dish, say for a 250g serving ? I'm calorie counting at the moment, trying to lose a bit of weight. I'm just wondering would it considered to be average in calories like say about 400-500 for a 250g serving or would you see it as be above average ?

    I'd also ask the same question for the pulled pork. I absolutely love that recipe but I was wondering if when you say that the collagen is being converted into gelatine by using the slow cooking method does that mean that the fat content is going to go way up ? Sorry I'm not 100% sure of the contents of geletin but just get the impression that it may not be the most healthy thing in the world ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Er. Never actually measured it to be honest, but I know it's atkins-friendly as long as you leave out the beans/rice/tortillas and the like (it was a cornerstone of my diet last time I tried that, and Herself Indoors ate it quite a lot when dieting as well). I don't think it's be much above average for chilli; the main carbs would be from the beer and the flour in the gravy; there's not much in the onions or chillis or the meat and we don't use cans and cans of tomatoes or sweetcorn or beans so there's not as much carbs and sugar from the fruit in there. We might even be below average. To be honest, I think - but again, I've not tested it - that it'd be hard to get fat eating good chilli if you leave out all the toppings that people put on it (cheese, sour cream, jalapeno relish and so on) and the tortillas and rice they serve it with (and possibly the beans). Don't forget, it started off as poor people food -- it kept you alive, but you didn't see many fat poor people back then (that's a very very recent trend from the last few decades, when we turned creating food into an industrial practice).


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Sparks - just a quick Q. I know it is probably like asking how long is a piece of string but would you have any ideas of how many calories are in this dish, say for a 250g serving ? I'm calorie counting at the moment, trying to lose a bit of weight. I'm just wondering would it considered to be average in calories like say about 400-500 for a 250g serving or would you see it as be above average ?

    I'd also ask the same question for the pulled pork. I absolutely love that recipe but I was wondering if when you say that the collagen is being converted into gelatine by using the slow cooking method does that mean that the fat content is going to go way up ? Sorry I'm not 100% sure of the contents of geletin but just get the impression that it may not be the most healthy thing in the world ?

    Start using myfitnesspal.com - there's an area there when you can input a recipe exactly, and it'll calculate the nutritional value for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Faith wrote: »
    Start using myfitnesspal.com - there's an area there when you can input a recipe exactly, and it'll calculate the nutritional value for you.

    Ah yeah I'm using MyFitnessPal, I find it great for counting calories eaten and burned through exercise. I didn't know you could input a recipe manually, I must give that a go so I can get an accurate reading, thanks :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Thanks Sparks, yes I suppose what you say makes a lot of sense, if you leave out rice and tortillas then you take out a lot of the heavy carbs. I like chilli neat so it is fine for me to leave those out. I made about 1.5kg of the recipe over the weekend so I was asking as I want a go-to food while I'm trying to lose weight and this chilli now seems to fit the bill perfectly.

    Any ideas on your pulled pork at all ? In some ways I think it could be average in calories bar the half bottle of BBQ sauce. But I'm wondering does the collagen to geletine conversion during slow cooking mean the fat content rises ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I'd skip the pulled pork for a weight loss diet :D You just can't get round the BBQ sauce because every style of BBQ sauce has lots of sugar in it, and without the sauce, it's just not as nice as it could be (now, if you were cooking it in a real BBQ pit with the smoke, that might be different...)

    I don't think the collagen to gelatin conversion does anything to the fat content; eat a pound of either and your body breaks it down to the same stuff (the conversion process doesn't add or remove elements to or from the compounds, just moves them about a bit). It's just that gelatin has a nicer mouth feel than collagen because it liquifies and coats all the muscle fibres.

    ps. Don't eat a pound of either; a pound of gelatin is probably not good for you and a pound of collagen would make you swear off food for a month and probably clog your GI tract like a pound of hair in a shower drain...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,603 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I was wondering if when you say that the collagen is being converted into gelatine by using the slow cooking method does that mean that the fat content is going to go way up ? Sorry I'm not 100% sure of the contents of geletin but just get the impression that it may not be the most healthy thing in the world ?
    Rest easy, and eat your pork and chilli.
    Firstly you can't increase the fat content by cooking method. Collagen is a protein, and its being converted to gelatin, another protein.
    That siad in terms of weight loss the fat content isn't really important, its the calorie value is. 400 cals is 400 cals. A small bit of variation in fat, carbs protein means nothing.

    It should be pretty easy to plug all the ingredients into MFP and get the calories and/or servings. You could use leaner meat, less beans etc to reduce cals if you like, but remember the easily way to reduce cals is a smaller portion.
    I'd often rather 3/4 sized portion of full flavour, rather swapping in low fat/calories alternatives for a full sized portion with no flavour.


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