Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

Mitch Connor · 26-12-2011 6:09pm

only caught bits of the game today as I was at a family dinner so I could only throw a sneaky eye on it though - an enjoyable performance from what I saw. Looked like we were playing some nice intricate free flowing football rather than just placid in the middle and hoping the wingers can get a good cross in.

Great that the United games of late have actually been fun to watch from an attacking perspective. We'd been missing that for too long.

One thing that irritates me - we played our only 3 fit senior midfielders and STILL Fergie couldn't/wouldn't find a place for Pogba on the bench this afternoon. Whatever about the money issues with the contract, what message does it send to him that he can't even get near the first team when the only option other than him was playing our best forward in midfield? So annoying.

enviro · 26-12-2011 6:10pm

It has been a good day! Second half of the season is going to be epic imo. Never write off Utd!

The_Kew_Tour · 26-12-2011 6:11pm

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

Gibson only misplaced 3 passes. 96% accuracy

Gibson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Xavi:p

Cantona's Collars · 26-12-2011 6:19pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Gibson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Xavi:p

Visiting that kid's hospital the other day must have had some effect.:D

The King Kenny out posts have begun in the Liverpool thread.:pac:

parker kent · 26-12-2011 6:23pm

Gibson is obviously average enough but he gets far too much abuse on here IMO. My main problem with him is that he has not looked for a decent loan move in the past few seasons. Obviously the Wolves move soured him to that. But he needs games. If he got them earlier in his career, he might have had a better future at United.

Blatter · 26-12-2011 6:25pm

We have amassed an average of 2.67 points per game on average in the PL. If we keep going at this rate, we'd finish on 101 points.

Cantona's Collars · 26-12-2011 6:29pm

Blatter wrote: »

We have amassed an average of 2.67 points per game on average in the PL. If we keep going at this rate, we'd finish on 101 points.

Don't jinx it man!!

TheTownie · 26-12-2011 6:29pm

Blatter wrote: »

We have amassed an average of 2.67 points per game on average in the PL. If we keep going at this rate, we'd finish on 101 points.

Ya theres no doubt it will be a serious points total that wins the league this season.

Think I remember Mancini saying he thinks 90 points will win it.

Of course Fergie said 83/84 points in pre-season but I have a feeling he would revise that now.

MIN2511 · 26-12-2011 6:37pm

Brilliant result today!

Liverpool fans can eat their heart out!

TheBunk1 · 26-12-2011 6:42pm

parker kent wrote: »

Gibson is obviously average enough but he gets far too much abuse on here IMO. My main problem with him is that he has not looked for a decent loan move in the past few seasons. Obviously the Wolves move soured him to that. But he needs games. If he got them earlier in his career, he might have had a better future at United.

I think most of the abuse is warranted tbh. Gibson was never and will never be a United quality player. He seems happy to sit on his arse and play a couple of League and Carling Cup matches. If he had any desire or ambition he would have jumped at a move last summer and possibly worked his way to starting spot at EURO 2012.

His attitude stinks and stats like his 96% passing accuracy today are all well and good, but he still had no influence on the game today. Playing CM against a truly awful Wigan side he should be more involved.

Anyway, rant over. Great results all round today.

KevIRL · 26-12-2011 6:42pm

Evans out for 2 weeks. Sigh

kmart6 · 26-12-2011 6:46pm

What does trying to get a starting place for Euro 2012 have to do with United?!

PHB · 26-12-2011 6:47pm

KevIRL wrote: »

Evans out for 2 weeks. Sigh

FOR GOD SAKE! ARARRAGHHGHGH.

Bloody injuries

kryogen · 26-12-2011 6:48pm

Great day overall, Evans injury a blow obviously, the injuries are actually disgraceful this year, but we still scored 5 to help the GD and City dropped points in a game they would have been expected to win!

Happy days, the beer will now taste sweeter!

flahavaj · 26-12-2011 6:49pm

City must be att least a little nervous that theyve been sensational the first eighteen games yet theres no daylight between them and us.

Good day all round.Chelsea dropping points too and Liverpool confirming themselves as more irrelevant than ever. MOTD will be fun.

TheBunk1 · 26-12-2011 6:52pm

kmart6 wrote: »

What does trying to get a starting place for Euro 2012 have to do with United?!

Nothing, obviously. But it has everything to do with Gibson and his attitude and ambition.

Unearthly · 26-12-2011 6:53pm

I'm about to do my Roy Hodgson walkabout out of respect for another job well done. I urge everyone to join me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHYO3qdFnhg

POSSY · 26-12-2011 7:02pm

Blatter wrote: »

We have amassed an average of 2.67 points per game on average in the PL. If we keep going at this rate, we'd finish on 101 points.

45/18 = 2.5. At this rate we'd finish on (2.5*38 = ) 95 points.

Blatter · 26-12-2011 7:04pm

POSSY wrote: »

45/18 = 2.5. At this rate we'd finish on (2.5*38 = ) 95 points.

Yeah you're right, sorry. Still an amazing points total compared to last year.

parker kent · 26-12-2011 7:09pm

TheBunk1 wrote: »

His attitude stinks and stats like his 96% passing accuracy today are all well and good, but he still had no influence on the game today. Playing CM against a truly awful Wigan side he should be more involved.

I didn't say any different or claim he had a great game. I'm just saying he is used as an easy scapegoat all the time on here and often has decent games dismissed as terrible. He is not as bad as is made out. I did say in that post that he is average enough and as it stands will not be a United midfielder. But I do think that he had the potential to be one earlier in his career. Had he had a decent loan move to a Premiership team at 19 or 20, then things might have been different. I still think he would make a good player for many Premiership teams.

It's a bit like Carrick, Park or Berbatov. There are plenty of silly opinions after games out there about them as well.

Anyway this is all a bit irrelevant. Just venting annoyances at over-the-top reactions on here.

POSSY · 26-12-2011 7:11pm

Blatter wrote: »

Yeah you're right, sorry. Still an amazing points total compared to last year.

Truly amazing! Anyone know our highest points tally? And to think Spurs are only 4 points behind if they win their 2 games in hand is crazy!

Mitch Connor · 26-12-2011 7:13pm

with Evans out for the next two weeks, and it going to be very important to get Jones and Smalling back - Fergie said they could both be back for the Blackburn game, would like to see the pair of them at CB with Carrick in front of them as the shielding midfielder. Both were out today through illness rather than injury so fingers crossed the pair will be back.

MANUTD99 · 26-12-2011 7:17pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

with Evans out for the next two weeks, and it going to be very important to get Jones and Smalling back - Fergie said they could both be back for the Blackburn game, would like to see the pair of them at CB with Carrick in front of them as the shielding midfielder. Both were out today through illness rather than injury so fingers crossed the pair will be back.

What has Evans picked up? Fergie said Rio wanted to play today so maybe he will be back for Blackburn.

Peyton Manning · 26-12-2011 7:19pm

I absolutely love Wigan. We throttle them every year - it's 26-0 to us on aggregate over our last 6 meetings, and 42-4 since they've been in the PL, and they always seem to be a banana skin for a title rival at some stage every season. Quality club.

Mitch Connor · 26-12-2011 7:20pm

MANUTD99 wrote: »

What has Evans picked up? Fergie said Rio wanted to play today so maybe he will be back for Blackburn.

calf strain from what I have read.

Just saw that about Rio - if himself, Jones and Smalling are back and would play Smalling and Rio in defence with Jones and Carrick as the CM pairing ahead of them. Nani and Valencia on the wings, Rooney and Welbeck up top - finish the season in style - though I would like to see Berbatov retain his place, I don't think himself and Rooney are a good partnership.

Blatter · 26-12-2011 7:22pm

Peyton Manning wrote: »

Dimitar Berbatov now has just 1 less league goal than Luis Suarez in 10/11, despite playing just 255 minutes to the Uruguayan's 1,454.

Dimitar Berbatov scored the same amount of goals today in 90 minutes than Fernando Torres has in the league during his entire Chelsea career and just one goal less than Andy Carroll has managed during his time at Liverpool.

£31m? Bargain

flahavaj · 26-12-2011 7:22pm

parker kent wrote: »

I didn't say any different or claim he had a great game. I'm just saying he is used as an easy scapegoat all the time on here and often has decent games dismissed as terrible. He is not as bad as is made out. I did say in that post that he is average enough and as it stands will not be a United midfielder. But I do think that he had the potential to be one earlier in his career. Had he had a decent loan move to a Premiership team at 19 or 20, then things might have been different. I still think he would make a good player for many Premiership teams.

It's a bit like Carrick, Park or Berbatov. There are plenty of silly opinions after games out there about them as well.

Anyway this is all a bit irrelevant. Just venting annoyances at over-the-top reactions on here.

I think Gibbo is grand for what he is, seventh or eighth choice midfielder who gets a game when theres no other choice. Did a perfectly good job today and never complains.

Mitch Connor · 26-12-2011 7:25pm

flahavaj wrote: »

I think Gibbo is grand for what he is, seventh or eighth choice midfielder who gets a game when theres no other choice. Did a perfectly good job today and never complains.

i'd prefer Pogba or Morrison to be taking that '8th choice' midfielder.

MANUTD99 · 26-12-2011 7:26pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

calf strain from what I have read.

Just saw that about Rio - if himself, Jones and Smalling are back and would play Smalling and Rio in defence with Jones and Carrick as the CM pairing ahead of them. Nani and Valencia on the wings, Rooney and Welbeck up top - finish the season in style - though I would like to see Berbatov retain his place, I don't think himself and Rooney are a good partnership.

I wouldn't necessarily be over rushing players back in. I think we could beat Blackburn with a similar team that played today. Away to Newcastle would be nice having Smalling, Rio, Jones back.

IMO this % of passing made by Gibson today is rubbish. He didn't create much and side passed most of his passes.

Valencia has come back to form big time last few weeks

Mitch Connor · 26-12-2011 7:29pm

MANUTD99 wrote: »

I wouldn't necessarily be over rushing players back in. I think we could beat Blackburn with a similar team that played today. Away to Newcastle would be nice having Smalling, Rio, Jones back.

IMO this % of passing made by Gibson today is rubbish. He didn't create much and side passed most of his passes.

Valencia has come back to form big time last few weeks

would agree about the passing stats - players could finish with 100% ever game if they wanted to by playing safe and simple. I would always look to see what passes they are/are not completing in practical terms - if it is adventurous attacking passes in/towards the final third that are being misplaced I don't really mind - I like players to take attacking risks.

Mikeyt086 · 26-12-2011 7:31pm

Peyton Manning wrote: »

I absolutely love Wigan. We throttle them every year - it's 26-0 to us on aggregate over our last 6 meetings, and 42-4 since they've been in the PL, and they always seem to be a banana skin for a title rival at some stage every season. Quality club.

Throw in the fact that they sold us arguably their best ever player in Anto V and you have to say, operation Dave Whelan has been a huge success.

Agent Whelan has managed to infiltrate a Premier League club and become chairman, get one our favourite sons in Brucie a job, roll over and have their belly rubbed every time we come to town and yet play like warriors against the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool but crap against everyone else so as not to raise suspicion, sell us the only player they ever had that is good enough for us and say lovely things about us in the press.

Job well done.

Professional Griefer · 26-12-2011 7:34pm

What a great day. Time to power on in the new year.

Mitch Connor · 26-12-2011 7:36pm

see Mourinho being quoted today as saying his next job will be back in ENgland, and one he hopes to stay in for a long time.

I think he is nailed on for United, if the timing suits him/us.

Giggsy11 · 26-12-2011 7:38pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

see Mourinho being quoted today as saying his next job will be back in ENgland, and one he hopes to stay in for a long time.

I think he is nailed on for United, if the timing suits him/us.

Time to close down our academy

MANUTD99 · 26-12-2011 7:40pm

O Neil seems to have steadied the ship at Sunderland. His factor will cause problems next week for City.

One thing that stands out recently for me. Mancini has said he thinks City has played most of the hard away games now and have advantage. This was said last week.

Fergie on the other hand is never giving anything away and always reckons its fair game this year for a few teams.

Lets not forget. City are meant to be running away with the title playing the best football and we are a team in decline.Mmmm the table shows a different stat

Mitch Connor · 26-12-2011 7:42pm

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Time to close down our academy

I remember reading stats before that showed Mourinho has an excellent record in comparison to others in giving young players chances in the first team.

If the players are good enough, his record indicates he will include them.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/mourinho-made-man-utd-claims-ignoring-youth-talent-a-myth-1532821

MANUTD99 · 26-12-2011 7:46pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

see Mourinho being quoted today as saying his next job will be back in ENgland, and one he hopes to stay in for a long time.

I think he is nailed on for United, if the timing suits him/us.

He's a natural winner but he has no morals or values. He would do anything to win which even means outside the rules. I wouldn't like him at United.

flahavaj · 26-12-2011 7:48pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

i'd prefer Pogba or Morrison to be taking that '8th choice' midfielder.

No way. Give me a straight choice beteen the three to start a PL game in CM and its Gibbo any day of the week. Pogba in particular i miles away. positionally he still has so much to learn. Hes a year or two at least away yet IMO.

Necronomicon · 26-12-2011 7:49pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

see Mourinho being quoted today as saying his next job will be back in ENgland, and one he hopes to stay in for a long time.

I think he is nailed on for United, if the timing suits him/us.

This is key, and it's why I'm not so sure the move will happen. When you consider the average tenure of a Real Madrid head coach (in the last decade at least) it's hard to picture Mourinho staying in the job for the length of time it will take Fergie to retire.

Blatter · 26-12-2011 7:49pm

MANUTD99 wrote: »

He's a natural winner but he has no morals or values. He would do anything to win which even means outside the rules. I wouldn't like him at United.

You could almost write the same sentence about Ferguson tbh.:D

Giggsy11 · 26-12-2011 7:50pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I remember reading stats before that showed Mourinho has an excellent record in comparison to others in giving young players chances in the first team.

If the players are good enough, his record indicates he will include them.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/mourinho-made-man-utd-claims-ignoring-youth-talent-a-myth-1532821

Thats a good read. Wasn't aware of it. Fair play to him.

Professional Griefer · 26-12-2011 7:51pm

Wouldn't mind Mourinho tbh. Last year I would have said no way, slowly warming to the thought of him coming in.

Giggsy11 · 26-12-2011 7:51pm

Blatter wrote: »

You could almost write the same sentence about Ferguson tbh.:D

No way. I haven't seen Fergie poking someone in the eye. To be precise your rival's assistant

shadowcomplex · 26-12-2011 7:52pm

I would like to reiterate my desire to see Valencia made into a permanent right full back, as a rightwinger he crosses the ball very well but is limited in trickery and skill but he is very sound defensively, you could argue hes better defensively than rafael

flahavaj · 26-12-2011 7:52pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

see Mourinho being quoted today as saying his next job will be back in ENgland, and one he hopes to stay in for a long time.

I think he is nailed on for United, if the timing suits him/us.

The only man for the job IMO.

Terrified City will get him though.

Mitch Connor · 26-12-2011 7:52pm

MANUTD99 wrote: »

He's a natural winner but he has no morals or values. He would do anything to win which even means outside the rules. I wouldn't like him at United.

he wouldn't be my first choice - but I would still say he is one of the few managers around that could take over from Fergie at OT and I wouldn't worry about their ability to handle the pressure of taking over from Fergie. He would relish the prospect.

Also, he is an old school manager in terms of wanting complete control of the team and the club (in football terms) which I think is important.

Basically, I think he is the most Fergie like manager around and would offer the most seemless transition for the club and the squad. I think we will need someone with a strong personality, and there is no doubt he has that.

Blatter · 26-12-2011 7:56pm

Giggsy11 wrote: »

No way. I haven't seen Fergie poking someone in the eye. To be precise your rival's assistant

Obviously Fergie doesn't go that far, but he does pretty much everything he can to ensure his side wins. His manipulation of the media is one of the biggest things that gets overlooked, but you won't hear me complaining about it:D

IMO Mourinho is the man to take over at OT whenever SAF decides to call it a day.

Blatter · 26-12-2011 7:59pm

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I would like to reiterate my desire to see Valencia made into a permanent right full back, as a rightwinger he crosses the ball very well but is limited in trickery and skill but he is very sound defensively, you could argue hes better defensively than rafael

Nah, he's an out and out winger imo. He's OK at RB against poorer sides, would worry about him there positionally against decent teams.

MANUTD99 · 26-12-2011 8:04pm

Blatter wrote: »

Obviously Fergie doesn't go that far, but he does pretty much everything he can to ensure his side wins. His manipulation of the media is one of the biggest things that gets overlooked, but you won't hear me complaining about it:D

IMO Mourinho is the man to take over at OT whenever SAF decides to call it a day.

I would wonder how David Moyes would get on at a big club. It would be a massive gamble but I would just wonder how he would get on at a big club

shadowcomplex · 26-12-2011 8:06pm

MANUTD99 wrote: »

I would wonder how David Moyes would get on at a big club. It would be a massive gamble but I would just wonder how he would get on at a big club

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