Dublin Bus route 63

The road layout is nonsensical here. There should be a direct turn into/out of the retail park off Glenamuck Road in either direction, but there isn't requiring everything going from the M50 to double back on itself along Glenamuck Road.

The 63 routing ought to be Dun Laoghaire - The Park - Ballyogan - Kilternan and Kilternan - The Park - Ballyogan - Dun Laoghaire.

That would mean negotiating the roundabout west of the M50 twice going to Kilternan and once going back to Dun Laoghaire. However if the route is to be consistent in both directions, you have to have an additional circuit of that roundabout in at least one direction!

Of course if a driver goes to Ballyogan first going towards Kilternan that means doing another circuit of that roundabout!

Eimear..It's an absolute nonsense of a routing,testament to the complete and total lack of communication between any of the relevant participants in Public Planning/Transport.

It's worth noting that there is in fact NO Bus Stop within the Park Centre...there is a shelter of some sort provided by the Centre but up to recently there was no Bus Atha Cliath specific Stop.

The reality here demands the Stop be on the public roadway perimiter of the Centre,commonsense demands it as does the bloody schedule.

Rarely would one see a queue of happy Park customers bearing 52" Plasma Screens waitin on the 63 to the Farm......;)

the groutch wrote: »

what they need to do is create access to The Park from Ballyogan Road.
it would benefit both the 63 and motorists coming from the M50 side.

Is that access already there,but blocked off.?

eimear10 wrote: »

simple solution is that all bus drivers driving buses that are going to The Park go there first! how have they not realised this themselves!

Network Direct anybody...?????

Simpler solution,stay the hell out of the place until the centre management and BAC can provide a sensible method of access.

Some unfortunate's actually lose track of the situation here and may well have to double double the circuit in order to "serve" the Park...God alone knows how much fuel is being wasted on this carry on......

The greatest demand comes from Staff in the centre who could be served by a peak-time diversion at startin/finishin times.

lxflyer wrote: »

That is not true anymore.

Virtually every route was changed during Network Direct.

The 63 is not a bad route at all. It's a community route linking Dun Laoghaire, Monkstown Farm, Deans Grange with Cornelscourt SC, Carrickmines LUAS, Ballyogan, Carickmines Retail Park and Kilternan.

I think people have to realise that providing a bus service is a mix of direct trunk routes and local community services. The latter will serve local communities and not necessarily take the fastest possible route.

There are considerable resources allocated to both the 59 and 63 routes,and as Lxf sez,it is NOT intended to be a trunk-route.

What the 63 route DOES underline is the total shambles into which Irish Planning and Development descended during the two decades of our "Boom".

The basic design and construction of Carrickmines Retail Park,once again barely interfaces with ANY of the Local Roads and,more importantly Public Transport Networks.

Instead,Dublin Bus is fully expected to cater for a facility with the most convoluted and unsuitable access arrangements imaginable (Do we actually have any Names for those responsible ?).Just take at look at the place from above to see about as many conflicts and omissions as you would wish to see in a lifetime :mad:

Now,as we begin to smell ourselves again,we see a shift in the retail mix of the "Retail Centre" with the higher end tenants now being joined by the more populist Low Cost Retailers and Fast Food Outlets,yet do we see any appreciation of the potential for developing some new business here...nope !...just more endless looping of those roundabouts and the enduring reluctance of the Planners/Developers to adequately provide for Public Bus Service access.

Eventually the Carrickmines Retail Park will go the way of The Square,Tallaght,with the Bus Routes turfed out to the periphery,in preference to having to battle their way in AND out of the place...lets face it,it's the preferred option for ALL of our Graduate Planners and Developers...whereas them oul Europeans tend to START their retail developments with a Bus-Stop and work out from that....Mad Ted is'nt it ?

stehyl15 wrote: »

Does anyone understand why 1 bus a day in either direction on the 63 divert to serve Cornelscourt village and Foxrock Village seems really pointles in my opinion.

It provides a connection to the post office and is used by locals. It's what a public service is about really. Adapting to how people use the service.

The 45A via Shanganagh Cliffs is another example. The last time I took this service about 12 people boarded.

stehyl15 wrote: »

I can't how its useful as its only one bus a day maybe it keeps up drivers knowledge in case there is roadworks on cornelscourt hill. Also why are there bus stops on Torquay Road no bus has ever gone up there has it.

Look at the timetable again.

There is a bus to Dun Laoghaire at 10:45 that will get there for 11:30 or so.

That gives the OAPs until 12:45 to collect pensions or do a shop.

The timetable is designed to facilitate just that.

Incidentally I'd recommend a trip on one of those buses just to look in at the huge houses - quite a sight!

There most certainly was a bus route on Torquay Road. You are, I am afraid, showing your age as clearly you have no recollection of the 86.

stehyl15 wrote: »

Does anyone understand why 1 bus a day in either direction on the 63 divert to serve Cornelscourt village and Foxrock Village seems really pointles in my opinion.

remember what i explained to you about the concept of "socially necessary" . well, this particular re-routing is just that.

Tarabuses wrote: »

Didn't the 86 use Torquay Road many years ago?

Yes it did.

stehyl15 wrote: »

Yes but the 86 is gone why are there newish looking bus stops on the road

That you will have to ask Dublin Bus or DLRCoCo - but you seem to be ignoring the fact that you claimed no bus ever went along that road, and that's what people are responding to.

There no bus routes currently running along Torquay Road between Leopardstown Road and Foxrock Village.