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No christening. Family issues

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Morgase wrote: »
    . She also made a comment on how she'd bring it off with her to get it baptised. .

    By fück if my mother done that she'd be meeting her maker a lot sooner than she planned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭redfacedbear


    ken wrote: »
    By fück if my mother done that she'd be meeting her maker a lot sooner than she planned.

    It wouldn't be the first time an unbaptised baby came home from a day in nanny's with a head slightly damper than when they left!


  • Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭Boo2112


    You have to be so sure your OH is on board aswel though. My uncle brought his child back from England for a visit where the child's mother didn't want her christened and when he got to Ireland for the holiday went straight to the church as soon as they landed and christened her on the sly. Still think it's one of the most disrespectful things I've ever seen!

    Me and my OH are expecting and apparently you tell then now at your scan what you intend to do, I feel really strongly that we shouldn't do it on the child's behalf and they can decide when they're old enough and while he is Catholic he doesn't practise or anything and doesn't feel strongly one way it the other. Was just reading the thread as a guide to how to break it to his family so I finished it and brought a few points up to discuss and apparently he already has them told! His Dad is totally backing us and his mam is freaking out but he said he basically told them it's our decision end of story he was just telling them so they wouldn't get a shock when the time comes! He's a bit of a chicken like that so I can't believe he's done it, especially unbeknownst to me! Love him so much right now!

    I think the main thing is letting them know you're not telling them to ask for an opinion, you're doing them a courtesy so they don't embarrass themselves presuming there's a christening and telling people about it! Tbh I think a lot of it is feeling like they're being hard done by not having a fancy day out. Sorry about the rambling I'm just still in shock at my OH :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    bur wrote: »
    Whatever peoples views, being christened isn't a life sentence ffs, bit of perspective please.

    Well, since they've done away with the option to leave the RCC it kind of is...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭fisgon


    Boo2112 wrote: »

    you're not telling them to ask for an opinion, you're doing them a courtesy so they don't embarrass themselves presuming there's a christening and telling people about it! Tbh I think a lot of it is feeling like they're being hard done by not having a fancy day out.

    Actually, I think you've put your finger on it. A lot of grandparents like the idea of a day out, a chance to brag about their new grandchild, the whole fuss and social event of a baptism. It's understandable in a way, but something that will not kill them to miss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    ken wrote: »
    By fück if my mother done that she'd be meeting her maker a lot sooner than she planned.

    Then you go to jail :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    fisgon wrote: »
    Actually, I think you've put your finger on it. A lot of grandparents like the idea of a day out, a chance to brag about their new grandchild, the whole fuss and social event of a baptism. It's understandable in a way, but something that will not kill them to miss.

    Yeah in this case it's all appearances, the family is not religious at all and only attend mass for weddings and christenings etc.

    We've discussed it and we are in agreement we won't be doing it. We might have a party when the baby is a few months old to celebrate his or her safe arrival but it won't be a religious celebration.

    Fingers crossed it won't cause any bad feeling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,533 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    fisgon wrote: »
    Actually, I think you've put your finger on it. A lot of grandparents like the idea of a day out, a chance to brag about their new grandchild, the whole fuss and social event of a baptism. It's understandable in a way, but something that will not kill them to miss.

    Religion is not required to have a day out or a social event.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Plus, it might help you to talk to a couple of people who were raised as unbaptised children in Ireland - no doubt there are a few on this board, or at least there are people who can point you in the right direction. They can tell you what the experience was like for them, even twenty or thirty years ago.

    Yo yo...godless heathen here, ready and willing to help! Looks like you got a lot of the pertinent reasons for not baptising already Whispered, but I'll put in my own experience.

    As the eldest child of an atheist "lapsed catholic" and an atheist "protestant", never mind my non-baptism, my parents were already taking a stand just by getting married (in the doorway of the C.C., since neither family would darken the door -literally - of the other church). This was 1971, and it was church wedding or nothing at the time, as far as I know.

    Anyhow, non-baptised me got a good few shock reactions from people and teachers growing up in those times (being half prod, never mind atheist was a disaster as a child in 70's Dublin), and my stay in the local catholic N.S. was short-lived (due to an awful teacher, nothing else). Coming from Dublin as I do, there were protestant schools (not like where I live in rural Ireland), so it was an issue only once when a teacher made a massive show of me for NOT believing in a god :mad: That would not happen now, no way.

    My two non-baptised boys are now in secondary school and went to the local RCC NS as there was no viable choice within an hour's drive. It was a great school though, and the principal was very inclusively minded. No aspect of the religious teachings have been taken up by my children and neither of them came home saying "god made everything, the clouds, the birds, etc..." because they were left out of RE classes and let go on the computers (they are now computer geniuses).

    There was no issue over communion/confirmation as I took each out for the day, and gave them a few euro as compensation (although it was a bit hard on them seeing their mates make in excess of 300 euro in some cases, but they actually each realised for themselves about the bribery aspect for their friends to make their communions). The only problems arose in those years when I was asked (and one other non-religious family) for permission to bring the boys to church for com/con practices as they couldn't supervise them in the school due to lack of staff, or to bring them home. As an atheist, I basically was being required to facilitate the non-curricular faith formation of others in a state school!! Beggars belief (no pun intended).

    It's been mostly a non-issue for us tbh, but we were very lucky with our local school - REALLY lucky, when I think of the waiting lists for schools in other areas and the OUTRAGEOUS human rights issue that allows religious schools to discriminate on the basis of religion, while the state cowers away from the fact that our state schools are 95% religious.....sigh.

    I'm glad you feel strongly about this Whispered. This is an issue for our country.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭hdowney


    I am glad too. I think that religion and school should be COMPLETELY seperate and I disagree with baptising babies (and I say that as a religious person). I believe you raise your child to be a caring considerate person, if they ask you about a religion, cos little Johnny's family go to church, you tell them the facts (if you can) in as non-biased a way as possible. You let them make up their own minds and be free thinkers. I am all for that approach


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    I wasn't baptised.

    Starting in about 94 I went to an ET primary school in Glasnevin (NDNSP). For communion about half the class went to a separate room with another teacher to do the relevant preparations. We carried on as normal.
    When I was 9 we moved to France and that has a completely secular education system so it obviously didn't matter there.

    When we came back, we applied for me to go to Christians in Cork City - my dad went there and that's usually more or less a guarantee of getting in.
    They ignored my application - I had N/A on date of baptism.

    Instead I went to Colaiste Choilm, which was a fantastic school.
    We probably would've chosen that anyway, even if I had been accepted into Christians. I think my parents applied there for a laugh more than anything. Neither thought much of the place.

    At school it didn't matter that I wasn't baptised - people by and large didn't give a ****. Some were surprised, but only by the novelty of it. I doubt it has gotten any less tolerant.

    It's only going to become more and more normalised over the next 5-15 years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    I think you should tell your relatives to fcuk off OP, in exactly that language.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    I feel that would be unnecessarily combative and would put my husband into a very awkward position. I have too much respect for him to speak to any of his relatives like that. So hopefully we will be able to get our point across in a kind way but one that leaves no doubt that it won't be done.


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