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Philadelphia Eagles Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Deadpool


    Foles missed so many throws in all 4 games. He is not the QB that everyone thinks he is. We can make excuses all day long but if you watch back the game he just point blank does not get the job done..How quick were people to blame Vick when the line did not do its job and he still made something happen. That last drive he could have tryed to run it in. He could have hit the WR right in front of him and he might have turned it over the line but no he throws it out the back of the endzone on 4th down...Keep blameing the oline all you want but at some stage Foles will have to step up play or step out


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Is Tom Brady ****?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Deadpool


    kryogen wrote: »
    Is Tom Brady ****?

    When he plays bad he is. Do you really really think Foles looked good last night, Forget the line. And just look at what he did. He put one drive together,one only. Look how many times we got to,hit and hurried the 49r's and kap just happened to score some TD's.
    I love the Eagles but I think we are just so wrapped up we cant see the forest for the tree's. All the talk is about how tough foles is getting hit and getting up. During last season I said Foles wasnt that good and now we can all see it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    Deadpool wrote: »
    When he plays bad he is. Do you really really think Foles looked good last night, Forget the line. And just look at what he did. He put one drive together,one only. Look how many times we got to,hit and hurried the 49r's and kap just happened to score some TD's.
    I love the Eagles but I think we are just so wrapped up we cant see the forest for the tree's. All the talk is about how tough foles is getting hit and getting up. During last season I said Foles wasnt that good and now we can all see it.
    Foles is a very good quarterback. One bad game doesn't make him sh1t. Every quarterback has a few bad games during the season. He was getting hit a lot because of a very frail O-line. And sure just look at how close it was after. Had Kelly declined the penalty the field goal would have been tougher. Had it missed all we would have need was the drive Foles hit and then we would have kicked a field goal and let our defensive line (who had a good game) try and stop them getting into range.
    The sign of how good a QB is at his job is when the chips are down in the fourth quarter. He put together a very good drive so that proves he isn't as crap as you are making him out to be


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Deadpool


    I hope I am proved wrong I really do. At the end of the day I just want the Eagles to be the best.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    i think roles was far from the biggest issue to be honest I'm not shure why we didn't try running lesean up the gut once or twice as the sweeps outside where getting less than nothing.


    also can the o-line play better next week with lane back means herrimans can go back to guard so it could solidify one side of the line for us anyway


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    also for the bad game foles had he threw a go ahead td pass but cooper dropped it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Deadpool


    He looked poor all game. He threw the ball just random down field. He fumbled it at a key time for no good reason. If he was doing this for the cowboys we would be all over him but lets keep makeing excuses. I think chip should sit him for a game and maybe he might come back fighting.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    **** sake kelce and mathis due back in the next week or two and now herrimans has torn his bicep. he's going to try to play through it but realistically he's blocking with one arm for the rest of the year if he does :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Deadpool


    Not too bad from Mark Sanchez. What do the rest of you think? Can he get wins?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭dave13


    Looked decent for a guy rolling off the bench mid-season. Apparently was great in pre-season too.
    Two interceptions but first wasn't his fault.
    Hopefully can continue against the panthers, because it's a pretty rough schedule after that


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    yes i think sanchez can get us wins to be honest foles has been average enough this season so i think sanchez can step in and do the same or possibly better. foles probably has the better arm talent but sanchez can move a bit better and has better footwork.

    all in all i think the loss of demeco is a wayyyyyyyy bigger deal.

    and on offence i think the return of mathis is a wayyy bigger deal.


    also please god the cowboys do there thing and fall apart now


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    I'm also hearing a lot about how **** the surface is on the texans pitch i know its a bit hypocritical coming from a team that played in the vet but if its causing that many injures they should be made change it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,308 ✭✭✭Pyjamarama


    yes i think sanchez can get us wins to be honest foles has been average enough this season so i think sanchez can step in and do the same or possibly better. foles probably has the better arm talent but sanchez can move a bit better and has better footwork.

    all in all i think the loss of demeco is a wayyyyyyyy bigger deal.

    and on offence i think the return of mathis is a wayyy bigger deal.


    also please god the cowboys do there thing and fall apart now

    I'd say Sanchez has a better arm than nick as well as better mobility but I don't think he's close to as good of a game manager. Guess it's up to Chip to get him ready. Not overly worried tho as I think the system is fairly forgiving for the qb.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    good interview from pete caroll on the matchup with the eagles this week well with a look also does anyone else think he gives a very very similar press conference to chip?

    http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/videos/Pete-Carroll-Week-14-Wednesday-Press-Conference/ae5a1706-ef5a-4e73-81a3-9a1e8f8336f5


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    My Ravens need corners and I see Cary Williams may get cut

    He was signed off the Titans practice squad, worked his way up to starter, won a Superbowl and got his payday

    Fans never liked him and not his hothead attitude. He was known to cuss out veterans like Ray Lewis on the sidelines. Played well at times and godawful other times. Thats cornerback for ya, if you are beat everyone sees it I guess

    Still to pair him up on the outside with Jimmy Smith, two 6' plus corners and moving Ladarius Webb to the slot sounds semi attractive to me.

    What do Eagles fans think of Williams? Seems to be an easy guy to dislike but is he an effective player and would you like him to be kept?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    After 3 years of the name of this thread irritating me, it is now Thread and not Tread
    :D


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    My Ravens need corners and I see Cary Williams may get cut

    He was signed off the Titans practice squad, worked his way up to starter, won a Superbowl and got his payday

    Fans never liked him and not his hothead attitude. He was known to cuss out veterans like Ray Lewis on the sidelines. Played well at times and godawful other times. Thats cornerback for ya, if you are beat everyone sees it I guess

    Still to pair him up on the outside with Jimmy Smith, two 6' plus corners and moving Ladarius Webb to the slot sounds semi attractive to me.

    What do Eagles fans think of Williams? Seems to be an easy guy to dislike but is he an effective player and would you like him to be kept?

    doubt it to be honest it would mean getting two starting corners this year i think we will keep him and get someone to start across for him he does have a huge contract though the only reason iv heard that we may cut him is if chip feels he can get two guys for the same money there paying him
    After 3 years of the name of this thread irritating me, it is now Thread and not Tread
    :D
    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,364 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    It's being reported that the Eagles are going to release Todd herremans today. I know he's nearly 33 and missed a few games last season but he's still a superb OL player and whoever he lands with will get a great player.


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    It's being reported that the Eagles are going to release Todd herremans today. I know he's nearly 33 and missed a few games last season but he's still a superb OL player and whoever he lands with will get a great player.

    that makes me sad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Shame to lose a very good player but injuries and cap numbers made it too difficult to keep him unfortunately. If he can stay healthy for two or three years some team will get a very functional lineman that can play in most systems


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    frostie500 wrote: »
    Shame to lose a very good player but injuries and cap numbers made it too difficult to keep him unfortunately. If he can stay healthy for two or three years some team will get a very functional lineman that can play in most systems

    We only saved 2.8 million from cutting Todd though and we've lost a starter also i think we had about 24 million in cap room before we cut him so unless we're planning a big free agent run or resigning Mac and the cox/kendricks/foles draft class I don't get it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    1st it was DJax last year, and now Shady McCoy, what is going on in chip kelly's head, yeah Sproles and Polk done well last season, but they are nowhere going to produce the numbers he did, Kelly must have some players lined up in FA or the power has gone to his head.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    1st it was DJax last year, and now Shady McCoy, what is going on in chip kelly's head, yeah Sproles and Polk done well last season, but they are nowhere going to produce the numbers he did, Kelly must have some players lined up in FA or the power has gone to his head.

    polk is to injury prone to start and sproles is to small to start on a run first team.

    ya 50 mill in cap you would think that free agency+resigning cox/kendricks maby foles are going to be big should be an interesting offseason.

    at the very least there are a lot of good running backs in fa and the draft this year i could nearly see us taking one of each or maby two in the draft


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    Rumours of Evan Mathis getting traded now, crazy


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    Rumours of Evan Mathis getting traded now, crazy

    iv not been a fan of one move yet this would not change that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,364 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Rumours of Evan Mathis getting traded now, crazy

    No just no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,364 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    25_mccoy
    4 minutes ago
    My 6 years have been great I will miss the great fans n fun times as a eagle.. Mr Lurie n Andy Reid thank u for taking the young kid from Harrisburg pa and making him a man .... All my teammates it was a blast and yall kno I got so much luv for yall ... The fans the fans truly will b missed and I always made sure I broke some ankles just for the fans excitement ... Philly will always have a special place n my heart and from the Franchise Philadelphia Eagles All Time Rushing Leader good bye take care.

    Lesean McCoy just posted this on his Instagram. Interesting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Hococop


    We just agreed a 5 year deal for demarco Murray


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Not sure what to make of the Murray, Matthews and Sproles as our backfield. I like Murray a lot in some ways but come on...21m guaranteed on a RB. It's very difficult to live up to that kind of contract when you're not known for being durable. Matthews has been pedestrian at best and this will surely mean that sproles will end up with only a handful of touches a game. That's no bad thing in fairness, I want him to get 10 touches between running and receiving and then get some kick return duties but I just don't understand the desire to invest so much in the RB position. We need a downfield threat at WR because Matthews looks like he could be really good but he's a slot/no2 who's great at short and intermediate stuff.


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Lesean McCoy just posted this on his Instagram. Interesting.

    unsurprisingly no mention of chip on there I'm just glad he's not decided to badmouth the whole organisation most of the outgoing players at lest have have nothing but good things to say about andy/lurie/the fans so thats always nice not particularly bothered if they dont like chip as if he can create a winning environment it will make no difference to players wanting to sign
    frostie500 wrote: »
    Not sure what to make of the Murray, Matthews and Sproles as our backfield. I like Murray a lot in some ways but come on...21m guaranteed on a RB. It's very difficult to live up to that kind of contract when you're not known for being durable. Matthews has been pedestrian at best and this will surely mean that sproles will end up with only a handful of touches a game. That's no bad thing in fairness, I want him to get 10 touches between running and receiving and then get some kick return duties but I just don't understand the desire to invest so much in the RB position. We need a downfield threat at WR because Matthews looks like he could be really good but he's a slot/no2 who's great at short and intermediate stuff.

    its a lot for him I'm also not a fan of the signing because he had such a huge workload last year on top of that injury history its hard to see him not falling off a cliff. the one think I will say is with regards the people saying it was the cowboys o-line that got him them yards i think our o-line can be as good if not better than theres. another issue i have actually is that some of the logic of cutting shady was that rbs are not worth that money but we just guaranteed another one 21 mill :confused:

    i think matthews has been a very good rb when healthy i just dont see him being healthy for a stretch of more than 4-5 games at any point so it could be a poor signing regardless also il be sad to see chris polk inevitably get cut now i think he's a really really good player.

    i agree with you on matthews i think he can be a very good slot but i dont see him outside. josh huff could be an outside reciever and could take the top off a defence but he needs to shore up those hands and ertz can be a fantastic reciever ala jimmy graham but i think your dead right we need a top guy I'm not sure any of these guys are going to worry opposing defences. i guess we just have to trust in chip kellys offensive system and this defence on paper should be huge this year


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    also this guys back so thats fun



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    one thing i like about demarco is he seems like a really good guy he seems to have a chip on his shoulder about the cowboys (they offered him only 12 mill guarantied) but he's said nothing but good things about the players/coaches thats a good sign in my opinion as is the fact that he took less money to come here he clearly believes this team can contend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,308 ✭✭✭Pyjamarama


    Happy enough with our draft. Thrilled we got Rowe in the second. Big tough corner is exactly what we need. Drafting Maclin 2.0 I'm less enthused about as id have preferred a speedier guy but then again who am I to question Kelly when it comes to selecting guys for his system.

    Would love us to grab Hundley if we can in the 4th. Great value at that spot imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Pyjamarama wrote: »
    Would love us to grab Hundley if we can in the 4th. Great value at that spot imo.

    If that's happens will Barkley be cut? Maybe not now but training camp?

    Or is he being offered around the league for maybe a 2016 pick?


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    Pyjamarama wrote: »
    Happy enough with our draft. Thrilled we got Rowe in the second. Big tough corner is exactly what we need. Drafting Maclin 2.0 I'm less enthused about as id have preferred a speedier guy but then again who am I to question Kelly when it comes to selecting guys for his system.

    Would love us to grab Hundley if we can in the 4th. Great value at that spot imo.

    I'm pretty happy with both picks apparently agholor is a lot more a aggressive in the air than mac was. funnily enough rowe was asked at the senior bowl who the best player he played against was an he said nelson agholor
    mikemac1 wrote: »
    If that's happens will Barkley be cut? Maybe not now but training camp?

    Or is he being offered around the league for maybe a 2016 pick?

    ya barkleys on borrowed time by all accounts i doubt anyone would give up a pick for him he's shown nothing


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    not so sure about our 3rd rounder the guy looks like a really good player but can we really afford another guy with injury issues


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭irish_man


    not so sure about our 3rd rounder the guy looks like a really good player but can we really afford another guy with injury issues

    There are a good few guys with injury worries in the past on the Eagles team now. Kelly must really like his sports science to keep them healthy.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    irish_man wrote: »
    There are a good few guys with injury worries in the past on the Eagles team now. Kelly must really like his sports science to keep them healthy.

    thats what i mean its one thing taking a chance on a player or two believing sports science can get you fixed its another entirely having this many players with a bit of a history


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    3 months ago there was rumours that evan mathis would be traded, that was bad enough but only now i read he's been Released instead.

    ffs


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    3 months ago there was rumours that evan mathis would be traded, that was bad enough but only now i read he's been Released instead.

    ffs

    Rumors where there last offseason as well but I never thought it would actually happen I guess Gardner is a starting guard now that makes me sad we should have drafted fisher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    now that makes me sad

    The last year makes me sad, DJax, Maclin, Shady, Foles, Cole, Herremans, and now Mathis all gone.

    Actually now i'm very very sad


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    The last year makes me sad, DJax, Maclin, Shady, Foles, Cole, Herremans, and now Mathis all gone.

    Actually now i'm very very sad

    the last three in particular are killers for me cole and herremans are eagles legends and mathis is still a pro bowler.

    the djax one is a pain as well even though he was an idiot kelly could have done great stuff with him i think we would have made the playoffs last year and beaten the saints in the wildcard the year before with him not to mention the difference he could have made insuring a safety stays deep with our power run offense this year (a power run offense that just lost a pro bowl guard)


    to summarise :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,364 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I think this is an awful move and chip has made a mistake as Mathis is a superb OL player that any team would like to have on their team. He is leaving himself less of the old "sure I didn't draft these players" excuse if it goes pear shaped. The roster has a chip kelly feel now so if it's **** it's his fault. Howie can't be blamed for this now. Well less of the blame


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I think this is an awful move and chip has made a mistake as Mathis is a superb OL player that any team would like to have on their team. He is leaving himself less of the old "sure I didn't draft these players" excuse if it goes pear shaped. The roster has a chip kelly feel now so if it's **** it's his fault. Howie can't be blamed for this now. Well less of the blame

    i agree but the thing is people will make excuses if some of the many injury prone players he brought in get injured but there are so many of them injury prone I'm just not excited about this year. not to mention my main reason i thought we could be successful was a combination of a much Improved defense and a power run game behind that left side (peters,mathis,kelce) iv heard eagles staff and players raving over allen barbre but gardner looked average last year. our offensive line has gone from in my opinion this best in the nfl to an above average one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭dave13


    Sorry to see him go but he must have expected this.
    He's over 30 on a fairly generous contract, and was holding out for more money.

    From the way the offseason has gone he can't have expected to get more, so unless he already has a place lined up i'd be surprised he he gets paid more somewhere else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭JerseyJoe


    Someone will be desperate and overpay, surely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,308 ✭✭✭Pyjamarama


    If Mathis was as good as PFF reckons he is then surely we would have had someone nibble when he was up for trade. We obviously weren't looking for much...

    Mathis is a good player but he gets to play in between Peters and Kelce. That imo has made him look better than he actually is. The staff seem really high on Babre and the comments from Peters show that he doesn't think Evan was anything special so i'm not overly worried. It doesn't mean Mathis isn't a good player but one that just wasn't worth the headache. Guard is the least important part of the line too, we have two stud bookends and a wonderful center. I think we'll be ok. You don't need to have the best line in football, just a good one.

    Tbh i'm not too upset at any of the players we've let go. Desean was a cancer and McCoy is showing the world he's a little crazy. Both players are among the most exciting in the league but we brought in Chip to be Chip Kelly and run a Chip Kelly team. Those guys do not fit. A lot of his moves won't make much sense in a vacuum but he's going to do things his way and we're all in on him. And tbh i'm fine with that. Take a shot at the greatness rather than just going with the norm.

    I think our overall success will be rest on two key questions. Can Sam Bradford be elite. I think that he has it in him but the injuries are a massive question mark. I don't think a qb needs to be Rodgers to put up Rodgers like numbers in a chip kelly offense and a healthy BRadford is MILES better than anybody Chip has had at qb so far. And the second is the secondary. It SHOULD be better... but you never know. Who would have thought that Namdi and DRC would be such a disaster when they were signed...

    I'll tell you what player will hurt me when he goes tho, Kendricks. :( Guy is a stud in the making but there's something going on there for sure.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Adrien Old Stubbornness


    i think part of the reason he was not as in demand is he is very scheme specific he needs to be in a run zone team. i agree with you with you but my fear is less barbre as you have to trust he can do the job when theres this much positive feedback coming back my fear is more gardner or kelly on the other side.

    also i dont necessarily agree with you with regards kendricks i do think chip would be open to moving him but only if we get a really talented young lineman or db back or if he feels we are getting a steal in the deal. as it stands though we have potentially one of the best front 7s in football and kendricks and alonso starting with mufasa coming of the bench is very exiting.

    with regards bradford i think he is 10 times the qb any other qb chip has had but my big fear and the reason I'm finding it hard to get excited about this year is that on offence in particular i dont have a lot of faith on bradford, mathews and to an extent murray staying healthy :( if we have a full team healthy i think we can compete with anyone (although everyone does this time of year) but we could easily get multiple injuries early in the year and without those players i dont think we can compete with the cowboys and perhaps even the giants if they can sort out that o-line


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    Off Season finally over :cool:

    Let's see what Bradford is like at long last.


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