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How did Google take over from Yahoo so fast and whats the next big search engine?

  • 20-01-2009 7:58pm
    #1
    IvaBigWun
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭


    Inspired by this thread:

    So there we were for years, putting everything into Yahoo.co.uk, then all of a sudden it was Google this and Google that. How did they do that?! One minute Im using Yahoo the next a friend tells me about Google and thats that. Im converted. Its not faster than Yahoo, the searches dont seem overly different. Yet its now even part of our vernacular.

    We "google" stuff, we tell friends "google it", we never said "Yahoo it" before now did we? How did this happen?! Was there some sort of crazy subliminal marketing or does 'Google" just sound better for word of mouth advertising?

    Whats the next Google?


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  • #2
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    it was a lot quicker iirc it has a bigger index yahoo might have slowly caught back up over time but when it was first about it was the lightening speed that made it my default.


  • #3
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Booble.

    Also, Google don't like their company name being used as a verb iirc.


  • #4
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    Google won by re-inventing and focusing, at that time, on the search aspect, while players like Yahoo, Excite and the rest ballooned into self described "portals", focusing on everything BUT searching.

    And to think, the Google search algorithm was offered to Excite (anyone even remember them?) for a cool million Dollars. Look at them now.

    What's next? If I knew I sure wouldn't tell ya :pac:


  • #5
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    IvaBigWun wrote: »
    How did Google take over from Yahoo so fast and whats the next big search engine?

    I don't know, I'll Google it.


  • #6
    Gloom
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Gloom


    I'm hoping for an Ask Jeeves 2.0!


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  • #7
    Adam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,866 ✭✭✭Adam


    gotta be honest, I don't think i ever used yahoo.


  • #8
    giggsy664
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭giggsy664


    No ads on Google


  • #9
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Google was and still is clean and simple and straightforward. Some of the other major search engines turned into cluttered "portals".

    Also the Google page rank algorithm was revolutionary.


  • #10
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Mena wrote: »
    Excite (anyone even remember them?)

    Woow that's some blast from the past.


  • #11
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    Mr.S wrote: »
    :confused:

    Theres adds all over the gaff. How do you think they make money?

    Google never allowed any ads on their main page, unlike the other players that looked like Vegas at 2am. The google ads were/are to the right of the page, not interfering with your search, once it's been conducted. You're free to look/not look at the ads if you like.

    With Google, you're also actually getting relevant information, for the most part, thanks to their rather simple algorithm, whereas a lot of the others were, initially, indexing manually.


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  • #12
    Adam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,866 ✭✭✭Adam


    lads. i fount it


  • #13
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Yore Ma's engine is big and fast

    you_fail.jpg


  • #14
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Mr.S wrote: »
    :confused:

    Theres adds all over the gaff. How do you think they make money?
    Indeed. The amount of ads on Google is quickly becoming a problem imo, at least whenever I've searched for specific information on a product recently, the first three pages have been "Buy X here!!" basically.

    Going downhill quite quickly, unfortunately.


  • #15
    Adam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,866 ✭✭✭Adam


    Rb wrote: »
    Indeed. The amount of ads on Google is quickly becoming a problem imo, at least whenever I've searched for specific information on a product recently, the first three pages have been "Buy X here!!" basically.

    Going downhill quite quickly, unfortunately.
    it's as simple as 'product x review'...


  • #16
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    Rb wrote: »
    Indeed. The amount of ads on Google is quickly becoming a problem imo, at least whenever I've searched for specific information on a product recently, the first three pages have been "Buy X here!!" basically.

    Going downhill quite quickly, unfortunately.

    Inevitable I guess. The only way to actually make money from this monster called the Internet is porn and advertising, or advertising porn.


  • #17
    IvaBigWun
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    Ah good ol' Ask Jeeves, that was meant to be like the fantasy search engine of the future. Our very own Skynet.

    "Jeeves, what is the meaning of life?"

    Answer:

    "Here's a list of cool phrases from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"


  • #18
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Well just do a simple search, youll get "sponsored" links at the top, and on the right with a description, its not image adds, but adds all the same..

    Yeah, I'm old so I remember how it "used" to be... things they are a changing though.


  • #19
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Mena wrote: »
    And to think, the Google search algorithm was offered to Excite (anyone even remember them?)
    Jesus ya, didn't they have some fancy chatroom where you could use sound clips and all you'd hear was spock saying 'have a coke and a smile and shut the **** up', over and over again. Twas the height of technology at the time.


  • #20
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Mirror wrote: »
    it's as simple as 'product x review'...
    I wasn't looking for reviews.

    You're as simple as "a brick"...


  • #21
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I seem to remember needing to use a different site depending on what kind of search you wanted to do as they each did different things better. Then Google came along and did it all better.


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  • #22
    IvaBigWun
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    robinph wrote: »
    I seem to remember needing to use a different site depending on what kind of search you wanted to do as they each did different things better. Then Google came along and did it all better.

    I think you may be right. Wasnt AltaVista best for images before Google?

    And then there was Lycos :pac:

    How many are them are still in use actually, and does anyone use a different engine than Google?


  • #23
    Adam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,866 ✭✭✭Adam


    Rb wrote: »
    I wasn't looking for reviews.

    You're as simple as "a brick"...
    enlighten me.


  • #24
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I do seem to recall that Yahoo was rubbish if you were searching for a specific term, but if you wanted a list of everything under some catergory then it was the place to go.


  • #25
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,074 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yahoo front page subjects you to piles of crap.

    That was it for me.


  • #26
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I liked the fact that Google's front page was very 'clean' looking, basically just a search box, plus their searches were fast.
    I remember Webferret, which used to find lots of things that Yahoo and Alta Vista didn't.


  • #27
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    javaboy wrote: »
    Also the Google page rank algorithm was revolutionary.

    We have our winner.

    I was recently at an event which one of the directors of Google Ireland gave a talk, and basically said the above was it.

    Google was using versions of their algorithmic searches and bots when the others were still using rooms of people.

    To this day, R n D in Google are expected to spend at least 25% of their time on improving searches no matter what their jobs.


  • #28
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Rb wrote: »
    You're as simple as "a brick"...

    Banned.


  • #29
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    SDooM wrote: »
    We have our winner.

    I was recently at an event which one of the directors of Google Ireland gave a talk, and basically said the above was it.

    Google was using versions of their algorithmic searches and bots when the others were still using rooms of people.

    To this day, R n D in Google are expected to spend at least 25% of their time on improving searches no matter what their jobs.

    And the idea behind it was so simple: Pages were ranked based upon how many times other pages had linked to them. Turned out to be a solid winner.


  • #30
    giggsy664
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭giggsy664


    Mena wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm old so I remember how it "used" to be... things they are a changing though.

    http://web.archive.org/web/*/google.com


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  • #31
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Rb wrote: »
    Indeed. The amount of ads on Google is quickly becoming a problem imo, at least whenever I've searched for specific information on a product recently, the first three pages have been "Buy X here!!" basically.

    Going downhill quite quickly, unfortunately.
    At least there's no .gif or flash ads.


  • #32
    newmills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭newmills


    Lads google are just in their infancy. Missus does a lot of work for them as an external account manager. She is going out to san francisco next week to meet a few of the head honchos. Believe it or not google is on it's way to becoming one of the largest companies in the world with a huge portfolio of products.


  • #33
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    Yeah it was the Google page rank. Aswell as that, the Google home page is plain except for the search box and a few useful links. Yahoo's page is full with flashing images and links. Big difference.

    I don't think there will ever (in the foreseeable future) be a new popular search engine that will take-over from Google. They're not just a search engine now. They're a brand.

    Google maps, Google Chrome and Google owned Youtube will keep them firmly ahead of any competitors for quite some time.


  • #34
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Mark200 wrote: »
    Yeah it was the Google page rank. Aswell as that, the Google home page is plain except for the search box and a few useful links. Yahoo's page is full with flashing images and links. Big difference.

    I don't think there will ever (in the foreseeable future) be a new popular search engine that will take-over from Google. They're not just a search engine now. They're a brand.

    Google maps, Google Chrome and Google owned Youtube will keep them firmly ahead of any competitors for quite some time.
    A lot of people said the same thing about yahoo. Saying that yahoo didn't have the likes of youtube or maps at the time but they were still a household name. Their ads still stick in my mind. YYYaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhoooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo ooooooooo


  • #35
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Rb wrote: »
    Indeed. The amount of ads on Google is quickly becoming a problem imo, at least whenever I've searched for specific information on a product recently, the first three pages have been "Buy X here!!" basically.

    Going downhill quite quickly, unfortunately.
    At least there's no .gif or flash ads.


  • #36
    Sucking Diesel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭Sucking Diesel


    If home pages were removed from internet stats for popular websites, it would be intersting to see what the most popular sites were after that. First visted after home page.

    Surely google being a home page for a lot of people bucks those stats.

    /ponders


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  • #37
    zAbbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    newmills wrote: »
    Lads google are just in their infancy. Missus does a lot of work for them as an external account manager. She is going out to san francisco next week to meet a few of the head honchos. Believe it or not google is on it's way to becoming one of the largest companies in the world with a huge portfolio of products.

    What you've said above could equally apply 5 years ago


  • #38
    tech77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    IvaBigWun wrote: »
    Inspired by this thread:

    So there we were for years, putting everything into Yahoo.co.uk, then all of a sudden it was Google this and Google that. How did they do that?! One minute Im using Yahoo the next a friend tells me about Google and thats that. Im converted. Its not faster than Yahoo, the searches dont seem overly different. Yet its now even part of our vernacular.

    Probably its clean, uncluttered, ad-free, minimalist design.


  • #39
    musicmonky
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭musicmonky


    about 10 years ago hotbot was a great search engine
    yahoo wasnt a search engine it was a directory . thats what it always was.
    inktomi and later google did the search engine database for yahoo.

    what google did which was a game changer was monetize the web
    few people where making big money on the web until google arrived.
    they invented putting a price on search words and not using pop ups.

    Google are first and foremost an advertising company that just so happens to make its money via technology means.

    But what about ex Google employees and irish guys who done the farce that was http://www.cuil.com/. total epic fail. they said they had the bigger database than google. who cares if you cant find anything.


  • #40
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    Interesting fact:

    Google is actually a mis-spelling of the word Googol: the number 10 to the power of 100 (1 followed by 100 zeros). When they realised they had spelt it wrong, they just decided to not change it.


  • #41
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    musicmonky wrote: »
    But what about ex Google employees and irish guys who done the farce that was http://www.cuil.com/. total epic fail. they said they had the bigger database than google. who cares if you cant find anything.

    Give them time they might actually make it good. Hopefully they do, competition is always a good thing.


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  • #42
    Linku
    Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Linku


    Yahoo! used Google Search for a while, people checked out Google and realised it was quicker, cleaner and didn't have the crap all over it that Yahoo! did and started using that.

    There's always the what seems to be little known http://search.yahoo.com that's basically the cleaner version of Yahoo!

    Edit: What's the point in these "Irish" versions of websites, it's like Nimble, the whole point of a social networking site is to be as global and big as possible, why just target yourself at an Irish audience? Fail please


  • #43
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Linku wrote: »
    Edit: What's the point in these "Irish" versions of websites, it's like Nimble, the whole point of a social networking site is to be as global and big as possible, why just target yourself at an Irish audience? Fail please

    It's not an irish version. It just has some irish guys working on it. If I remember correctly the big selling point was that it had a bigger index and it used a different method to rank the results. Unfortunately it was pretty shíte.


  • #44
    Adam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,866 ✭✭✭Adam


    julep wrote: »
    At least there's no .gif or flash ads.
    three times?? the AC man banned him...


  • #45
    tiger325
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35 ✭tiger325


    Google is here to stay:pac:


  • #46
    shane86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    tbh Google has been replaced by wikipedia for me, handy one stop shop on pretty much anything.

    And as for porn, all those youtube like sites, much handier than google :p


    You do wonder how many people use the ones that were vying for space when we first got the net around 2000. Lycos, Jeeves, Excite, one or two others.


  • #47
    IvaBigWun
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    tiger325 wrote: »
    Google is here to stay:pac:

    But they're getting greedier with Ad space. Eventually one will come along that doesnt want to make any money whatsoever. Like Wikipedia. Except a search engine.


  • #48
    Firetrap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭Firetrap


    Thing that made me change was its user-friendliness, speed and the quality of the search results. I remember having to manually submit web sites to Yahoo! and it took them ages to show up in their searches. Also, there's too much clutter/those floaty ads on Yahoo, not to mention broken links.


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ads by Google on every webpage you goto helped the whole Google taking over from Yahoo. :) like seriously, they're everywhere.


  • #50
    Húrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Húrin


    I think Google won by inventing some sort of unique evolving algorhythm.


  • #51
    Queen-Mise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,461 ✭✭✭Queen-Mise


    I use google all time, i love the completely clean homepage. No clutter, or junk on it. although have to agree more and more adds are creeping into the search pages.

    Was walking past some computers in a shopping centre this week, and altavista was the search engine on them, didn't even know it was still going.


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