30 30 lever action

Cupid__Stunt · 26-02-2012 4:15pm #1

Just fired Hibrions 30 30 winchester today and I want/really need one! Any one know where to pick one up?

poulo6.5 · 26-02-2012 5:15pm

Cupid__Stunt wrote: »

Just fired Hibrions 30 30 winchester today and I want/really need one! Any one know where to pick one up?

4gun bought one a couple of weeks ago, i am looking forward to having a go with it.

clivej · 26-02-2012 5:40pm

Love to get one now.

I'm just after getting the license for my MarlIn 1894 in .38spl/357mag and like the lever action setup

Im reading good reports on the new hornaday
Leverevolution ammo in 30 30. It has a soft balistic tip

Jonty · 26-02-2012 6:40pm

Lads, is 30/30 deer legal?

clivej · 26-02-2012 7:57pm

Jonty wrote: »

Lads, is 30/30 deer legal?

It certainly is.

http://www.buckhuntersblog.com/winchester-30-30-americas-deer-cartridge

Do a search and your get better and more answers.

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-30-Win-160-gr-FTX-LEVERevolution/

extremetaz · 26-02-2012 8:03pm

There's a John Wayne commorative Model 1894 in Aim & Swing in Mountnugent.

Not sure of the exact calibre, think it might be a 32-40 but I could be very easily mistaken.

It's a stunning piece!

dax121 · 26-02-2012 8:31pm

id love one of these also great bit of kit. but after the 9 monthe of phone call, 2 meetings and a gun change i dont think i could go thru it all again for a restricted licence :mad:

tac foley · 26-02-2012 8:40pm

dax121 wrote: »

id love one of these also great bit of kit. but after the 9 monthe of phone call, 2 meetings and a gun change i dont think i could go thru it all again for a restricted licence :mad:

Please explain why a 30-30 calibre rifle/carbine is restricted? Is it because of the magazine capacity?

tac

tac foley · 26-02-2012 8:46pm

extremetaz wrote: »

There's a John Wayne commorative Model 1894 in Aim & Swing in Mountnugent.

Not sure of the exact calibre, think it might be a 32-40 but I could be very easily mistaken.

It's a stunning piece!

Yup, that's the calibre - also known as 32-40 Ballard. Ammunition might be hard to find, though, as it is passing rare in Yoorup.

Last price I checked was $28-33/20 from Ventura ammunition.

The one for sale in Ireland might well be the only one there is.

tac

juice1304 · 26-02-2012 9:08pm

dax121 wrote: »

id love one of these also great bit of kit. but after the 9 monthe of phone call, 2 meetings and a gun change i dont think i could go thru it all again for a restricted licence :mad:

it's not a restricted licence, 3030win has a bullet diameter of .308;) i bought one myself a few months ago for deer.

Hibrion · 26-02-2012 9:43pm

I had a few shots with Cupid Stunt's custom tikka today too! An awesome rifle. I know it certainly shoots better than I can anyway

I got my 30-30 from a dealer in the Uk. Keep your eye on guntrader.co.uk and you might pick up a nice one. If you're going for the winchester, try get one made before 1964.

It wasn't me! · 26-02-2012 9:45pm

It's a barrel of fun, eh C_S? Not much kick for the weight either.

Cupid__Stunt · 26-02-2012 10:46pm

It wasn't me! wrote: »

It's a barrel of fun, eh C_S? Not much kick for the weight either.

I loved it.. accurate too. Was hitting a ten inch gong consistently at 100yds standing.. Would love to kill a deer with it. Well done today Hibrion, You did well in difficult circumstances and with a strange rifle. Welcome to mountain sika stalking!

It wasn't me! · 26-02-2012 10:52pm

Aye, was shooting it at a bottle yesterday and it looked like it was missing on either side. Got up and the bottle was full of holes, so very nice to handle and shoot.

bazza888 · 26-02-2012 10:58pm

does the 30/30 not have a mag capacity of more than 10 rounds if its lever action?thought that made them restricted

Hibrion · 26-02-2012 11:02pm

6 rounds and it wouldn't matter anyway since it's a centre fire.

Witcher · 26-02-2012 11:03pm

bazza888 wrote: »

does the 30/30 not have a mag capacity of more than 10 rounds if its lever action?thought that made them restricted

Centrefires have no mag capacity limit, that's only rimfires.

Hibrion · 26-02-2012 11:07pm

Cupid__Stunt wrote: »

Welcome to mountain sika stalking!

And a seriously good welcome it was.. couldn't have asked for better!

juice1304 · 26-02-2012 11:12pm

no the pistol calibres would do, but not the rifle calibres. A 3030 is 7.62x51R [R for rimmed] And they usually come with a 16" 20" sometimes "24 inch barrel so you can only fit 6 in the mag and one up the spout. also all the pistol calibres would be restricted on the bullet diameter anyways bar the .22 but you need to get the mag plugged then also or it'd be restricted as they are above ten. also none of the pistol calibres would meet the requirements for deer here.

bazza888 · 26-02-2012 11:14pm

that makes sense:rolleyes::D i was keeping away from the lever actions because ithought they were restricted due to the ammo used and mag capacity

4gun · 27-02-2012 2:51am

should have my licence back during the week...
If any one else is interested in getting a 30-30, Brian Duffy gave me a great price on a new marlin. I also was in contact with a second dealer who had a second hand winchester made in the '90s
In the end I picked up a very handy one that was going at a price that was hard to let go, the gun need a bit of tlc, but these guns last forever.

Sandy22 · 27-02-2012 3:00pm

tac foley wrote: »

Please explain why a 30-30 calibre rifle/carbine is restricted? Is it because of the magazine capacity?

tac

It isn't. But a .32/40 would be. As they say across the pond - go figure.

tac foley · 27-02-2012 5:30pm

Sandy22 wrote: »

It isn't. But a .32/40 would be. As they say across the pond - go figure.

I didn't say it was, but dax did - hence my question -

Quote - id love one of these also great bit of kit. but after the 9 monthe of phone call, 2 meetings and a gun change i dont think i could go thru it all again for a restricted licence

End Quote

tac

4gun · 27-02-2012 6:30pm

for anyone who would like to know more

the 30-30 is so named because it uses a 30 calibre bullet, originally factory loaded with 30 grains of powder.
It is deer legal in Ireland
the tube magazine has a capacity of 6 rounds +1 in breech
there is a fair variety of different bullet weights available
It is not a restricted gun
as the lads have already stated there is very little recoil which means you should be able to stay on target for a succession of quick shots,

there should be more of them in the country

Jonty · 27-02-2012 7:09pm

Due to the tubular nature of the magazine, Can pointed bullets be used? or do they have to be flat nosed style bullets

juice1304 · 27-02-2012 7:13pm

the only factory spitzer type bullets for the 3030 are the hornady leverevolition ftx bullets which use a soft rubber tip. if it were a thing we were allowed to reload you could have one in the chamber one in the mag for a follow up shot. but you cant load up a full mag as the recoil could start a chain reaction in the mag which would'nt end well.

clivej · 27-02-2012 8:17pm

juice1304 wrote: »

the only factory spitzer type bullets for the 3030 are the hornady leverevolition ftx bullets which use a soft rubber tip. if it were a thing we were allowed to reload you could have one in the chamber one in the mag for a follow up shot. but you cant load up a full mag as the recoil could start a chain reaction in the mag which would'nt end well.

You can load up the mag full with the round nose and leverevolition ftx bullets. Is the "recoil could start a chain reaction in the mag" not a bit of a myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGgDnWGOt48

juice1304 · 27-02-2012 8:36pm

clivej wrote: »

You can load up the mag full with the round nose and leverevolition ftx bullets. Is the "recoil could start a chain reaction in the mag" not a bit of a myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGgDnWGOt48

not really the ftx use a soft tip so it compresses when you chamber another round and when the gun recoils but i would'nt risk loading the mag with fmj's or anything with a hard pointy tip. the round nose are ok as there is more surface area. maybe it is a myth but i would'nt want to find out, it'd be like detonating a pipe bomb under your chin.

tac foley · 27-02-2012 8:48pm

It is most certainly NOT a myth, else ammunition would not be marked 'NOT suitable for use in arms with tubular magazines'.

Nor is the rounded/flat nose of the bullet intended for use in any lever action tube magazine firearm there as a designer whim.

You will notice that the flat on the bullet - or even the radius of the semi-round nose, is larger than the diameter of the primer.

This is NOT an accident.

When these guns were originally designed - see the Volcanic Repeating Arms Co. Inc - ALL bullets were round-nosed.

My inspired guess is that one upon a time a guy with more adventure than brains thought it would be interesting to see what happened when you put a pointy bullet in such a gun, and found out the hard way.

In firearms design, there are some things that you really DO have to take on trust, so trust me on this one, eh?

And when the RoI finally gets reloading for all - PLEASE don't try it. We really don't want to read about you in the Darwin Awards columns.

tac, Winchester Model 94 shooter since 1956.

dax121 · 28-02-2012 12:04am

tac foley wrote: »

I didn't say it was, but dax did - hence my question -

Quote - id love one of these also great bit of kit. but after the 9 monthe of phone call, 2 meetings and a gun change i dont think i could go thru it all again for a restricted licence End Quote

tac

taught i read somewhere someone was applying for a restricted licence for one of these. my bad

4gun · 29-02-2012 2:55pm

grant letter received to day, should be able to pick up mine in the next few days

...last day of deer season too, sobb

It wasn't me! · 29-02-2012 3:17pm

4gun wrote: »

grant letter received to day, should be able to pick up mine in the next few days
...last day of deer season too, sobb

Long summer of clays and bottles and the like ahead with it, and perhaps a rabbit or two? I'd be curious to see whether it'd be tidy enough on them. I suspect not, but would make good sport anyway.

4gun · 29-02-2012 4:39pm

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Long summer of clays and bottles and the like ahead with it, and perhaps a rabbit or two? I'd be curious to see whether it'd be tidy enough on them. I suspect not, but would make good sport anyway.

watch this space

harmoniums · 29-02-2012 4:42pm

tac foley wrote: »

It is most certainly NOT a myth, else ammunition would not be marked 'NOT suitable for use in arms with tubular magazines'.

Nor is the rounded/flat nose of the bullet intended for use in any lever action tube magazine firearm there as a designer whim.

You will notice that the flat on the bullet - or even the radius of the semi-round nose, is larger than the diameter of the primer.

This is NOT an accident.

When these guns were originally designed - see the Volcanic Repeating Arms Co. Inc - ALL bullets were round-nosed.

My inspired guess is that one upon a time a guy with more adventure than brains thought it would be interesting to see what happened when you put a pointy bullet in such a gun, and found out the hard way.

In firearms design, there are some things that you really DO have to take on trust, so trust me on this one, eh?

And when the RoI finally gets reloading for all - PLEASE don't try it. We really don't want to read about you in the Darwin Awards columns.

tac, Winchester Model 94 shooter since 1956.

When the french wanted to use spitzer bullets in their tube fed lebel design, they cut a ring into the base of the cartridge encircling the primer.
That way when the rounds where pushed up against each other tip to base, the point of the bullet would seemingly find its way into the groove and be held there away from the primer.
I always wonder how they could guarantee this, how was it that the tip would not go into the groove where the primer meets the brass?

extremetaz · 29-02-2012 5:18pm

harmoniums wrote: »

how was it that the tip would not go into the groove where the primer meets the brass?

...perhaps an outward and deepening extension of that very groove?..

only way I could see that working - but it could definitely work alright.

juice1304 · 01-03-2012 12:59am

4gun wrote: »

grant letter received to day, should be able to pick up mine in the next few days
...last day of deer season too, sobb

lucky man, i've been waiting months now. i'm going mad the missus put in an application for her first rifle .22 after i did and got it in a couple of weeks, no questions asked or anyone rang nothing:rolleyes:. mine on the other hand was lost for eight weeks and is now sitting in a pile forgotten about somewhere.:(:mad::mad: looking forward to seeing a few pics etc..

:)

clivej · 01-03-2012 3:29am

juice1304 wrote: »

lucky man, i've been waiting months now. i'm going mad the missus put in an application for her first rifle .22 after i did and got it in a couple of weeks, no questions asked or anyone rang nothing:rolleyes:. mine on the other hand was lost for eight weeks and is now sitting in a pile forgotten about somewhere.:(:mad::mad: looking forward to seeing a few pics etc.. :)

If your app. is taking months to process its time to start phoning up the FO and getting a move on it. or it will be left there in the 'To Do' pile.

juice1304 · 01-03-2012 4:26am

I'm going to leave it untill Monday, then i'll ring again. I'm hoping to go boar or maybe roe/muntjac hunting for my birthday so i don't want to push too hard and just be told no. How are you getting on with your new baby? i'm thinking of getting another 94 in 45lc for gr:D:D:p

clivej · 01-03-2012 5:17am

juice1304 wrote: »

I'm going to leave it untill Monday, then i'll ring again. I'm hoping to go boar or maybe roe/muntjac hunting for my birthday so i don't want to push too hard and just be told no. How are you getting on with your new baby? i'm thinking of getting another 94 in 45lc for gr:D:D:p

My 1894 is lovely to shoot, with a nice soft recoil. With the Magtec ammo I found the round nose bullets feed better than the Cowboy ammo and are just as accurate and cheaper. Waiting on a hammer spur and sling swivels, front tube mag attachment type, to come in from the US.

I think the bigger cal. 1894 is 44mag that the lads use for gallery comps. I got to shoot one last week. You get a BIG bang for your buck with them

:)

4gun · 01-03-2012 11:35am

clivej wrote: »

My 1894 is lovely to shoot, with a nice soft recoil. With the Magtec ammo I found the round nose bullets feed better than the Cowboy ammo and are just as accurate and cheaper. Waiting on a hammer spur and sling swivels, front tube mag attachment type, to come in from the US.

I think the bigger cal. 1894 is 44mag that the lads use for gallery comps. I got to shoot one last week. You get a BIG bang for your buck with them :)

waaaaaaaaaaaa.....I wana a 44mag........waaaaaaaaaaa

juice1304 · 01-03-2012 12:42pm

4gun wrote: »

clivej wrote: »

My 1894 is lovely to shoot, with a nice soft recoil. With the Magtec ammo I found the round nose bullets feed better than the Cowboy ammo and are just as accurate and cheaper. Waiting on a hammer spur and sling swivels, front tube mag attachment type, to come in from the US.

I think the bigger cal. 1894 is 44mag that the lads use for gallery comps. I got to shoot one last week. You get a BIG bang for your buck with them :)

waaaaaaaaaaaa.....I wana a 44mag........waaaaaaaaaaa

Then join a club and do centrefire gallery rifle.

4gun · 01-03-2012 1:08pm

juice1304 wrote: »

Then join a club and do centrefire gallery rifle.

I try that when I can no longer stalk deer

Although Its the only competition shooting that I may actually interested in
pity they don't allow cowboy action shooting here

clivej · 01-03-2012 1:08pm

clivej wrote: »

My 1894 is lovely to shoot, with a nice soft recoil. With the Magtec ammo I found the round nose bullets feed better than the Cowboy ammo and are just as accurate and cheaper. Waiting on a hammer spur and sling swivels, front tube mag attachment type, to come in from the US.

I think the bigger cal. 1894 is 44mag that the lads use for gallery comps. I got to shoot one last week. You get a BIG bang for your buck with them :)

4gun wrote: »

waaaaaaaaaaaa.....I wana a 44mag........waaaaaaaaaaa

And you get a VERY BIG bullet as well

ammo guide image 1.jpg

juice1304 · 01-03-2012 2:43pm

4gun wrote: »

pity they don't allow cowboy action shooting here

Yeah i'd love to docowboy action shooting, got forbid people could be seen enjoying themselves shooting though, we don't want all those criminals to be trained how to use those single action assault pistols.

Hibrion · 01-03-2012 2:52pm

Would love if cowboy action caught on here too. I've always wanted a nice single action revolver

haha, I like this: 'single action assault pistols'

juice1304 · 01-03-2012 3:06pm

well it was military issue back in 1873:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

deeksofdoom · 01-03-2012 3:19pm

juice1304 wrote: »

Yeah i'd love to docowboy action

Hibrion wrote: »

Would love if cowboy action caught on here too.

Brokeback Mountain!

juice1304 · 01-03-2012 3:22pm

lol:D

more like this but alot slower, this frlla should be classed as an assault weapon of some sort. AMAZING:eek::eek::cool::cool::cool:

tac foley · 01-03-2012 4:54pm

juice1304 wrote: »

well it was military issue back in 1873:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sadly, Sir - it was not military issue at all. If it had been, then the Little Big Horn would have been remembered as a great American victory instead of a great American massacre.

The native American opposition had many Henry and Winchester repeating rifles in numerous calibres, and the poor old 'yellow legs' had only their trusty singel-shot 'trapdoor' Springfields in 45-70 govt - a real thumper, but no match for the instant reload seven and eight shot repeaters of the natives.

tac

rowa · 01-03-2012 5:05pm

juice1304 wrote: »

Yeah i'd love to docowboy action shooting, got forbid people could be seen enjoying themselves shooting though, we don't want all those criminals to be trained how to use those single action assault pistols.

Is cowboy action shooting actually banned or is it that no one ever got around to organizing it in ireland ?

Hibrion · 01-03-2012 5:37pm

tac foley wrote: »

juice1304 wrote: »

well it was military issue back in 1873:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sadly, Sir - it was not military issue at all. If it had been, then the Little Big Horn would have been remembered as a great American victory instead of a great American massacre.

The native American opposition had many Henry and Winchester repeating rifles in numerous calibres, and the poor old 'yellow legs' had only their trusty singel-shot 'trapdoor' Springfields in 45-70 govt - a real thumper, but no match for the instant reload seven and eight shot repeaters of the natives.

tac

I think he was talking about the single action revolver, rather than the 30-30.

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