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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭mightybashful



    This country is doing pretty well and the fact that you are warm, well fed, tech savvy and well educated is proof of that.


    This country isn't doing well


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 476 ✭✭christ on a bike!


    This country isn't doing well

    I disagree. It could be better, but quality of life is good although you wouldn't think so on the internet.

    Most people I meet are very happy.

    We're a rock on the periphery, we need to attract businesses to survive and that's exactly what we are doing. And are full of European HQs for int'l companies.

    And people like me are doing pretty ok. And my friends, most of whom did trades, are either re-educating themselves at the expense of the state or found work elsewhere. Those that left came back and have carved something out cos they worked there ass off.

    Moaning achieves nothing and, as any manager will tell you, you promote the people who don't moan and offer solutions.

    Seriously, take the thumb out and make things work for yourself - you're entitled to nothing


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Hi all, as most of you know the poor TD's & senators have had there salaries cut (sarcasm). I found some extra facts about how much they are REALLY paid. I hope J.Rudd from thejournal doesnt mind me using his interesting research :)
    Just to give you a heads up, you may find these figures upsetting....

    here are the pay and perks that Enda Kenny and the other 225 members of Leinster House receive.
    1 – Basic wage of a TD: € 92,672
    2 – Basic wage of a Senator: € 65,621
    Additional payments for TDs are as follows:
    3 – Additional payment for a Minister of State: €37,370
    4 – Additional payment for super Ministers of State: € 17,205 (plus € 37,370 above)
    5 – Minister (€ 76,603)
    6 – Tanaiste (€ 91,733)
    7 – Taoiseach (€ 107,328)
    8 – Ceann Comhairle (€ 76,603)
    9 – Leas Ceann Comhairle (€ 37,370)
    10 – Chairpersons of Oireachtas committees (Andrew Doyle, Ciarán Lynch, Dominic Hannigan, Alex White, Pat Breen,Jerry Buttimer, Joanna Tuffy, Peadar Tóibín, Damien English, David Stanton, Thomas Pringle, Seán Barrett, John McGuinness , Tom Hayes): €9,500
    11 – Member of Oireachtas Commission (Senator John Whelan, Senator Tom Sheahan, Senator Marc MacSharry, Deputy Frank Feighan, Deputy Dan Neville, Deputy John Browne, Deputy Catherine Byrne, Deputy Jack Wall ): €9,500
    Chief whips
    12 – Chief Whip (Paul Kehoe): no payment specified in One Stop Shop
    13 – Assistant Government Whip (Emmet Stagg): €15,000
    14 – Whip to Labour Party (Emmet Stagg): no payment specified in One Stop Shop
    15 – Asst Whip to Fine Gael (Joe Carey): €7,500
    16 – Asst Whip to Labour (John Lyons): €6,000
    17 – Whip to Fianna Fail (Sean O’Fearghail): €19,000
    18 – Asst Whip to Fianna Fail (John Browne): €9,500
    19 – Whip to Sinn Fein (Aengus Ó Snodaigh): €6,000
    20 – Asst Whip to Sinn Fein (Jonathan O’Brien): €3,000
    21 – Whip to Socialist Party : €6,000
    22 – Whip to People Before Profit : €6,000
    Additional payments for Senators are as follows
    22 – Cathaoirleach (Paddy Burke): €44,336
    23 – Leas-Chathaoirleach (Denis O’Donovan): €24,429
    24 – Leader of the Seanad (Maurice Cummins): €19,439
    25 – Deputy Leader of the House (Ivana Bacik): €9,500
    26 – Government Whip (Paul Coghlan): €6,000
    27 – Assistant Government Whip (Susan O’Keeffe): €4,000
    28 – Fianna Fáil Leader (Darragh O’Brien): €9,500
    29 – Independent Group of Nominee Senators’ Leader (Jillian Van Turnhout): €6,000
    30 – Independent Group of University Senators’ Leader (Ronan Mullen): €6,000
    31 – Fianna Fáil Whip (Diarmuid Wilson): €6,000
    32 – Independent Group of Nominee Senators’ Whip (Katherine Zappone): €4,000
    33 – Independent Group of University Senators’ Whip (Sean Barrett): €4,000
    34 – Select Committee on Members’ Interests of Seanad Éireann (Ivana Bacik, Deirdre Clune,David Cullinane, Maurice Cummins, Ronan Mullen, Darragh O’Brien, Jillian Turnhout) : €3,100 per annum
    Pensions
    35 – TDs and senators contribute 6% of their salary a year for up to a maximum of 20 years in order to benefit from the Dail pension scheme. It is a final salary scheme which allows for a maximum of ½ the final salary to be paid for life from aged 65 – 1/40th of final salary is accrued for each year of service. It provides for a lump sum upon retirement and it is possible to take early retirement from age 50.
    Allowances
    36 – Travel and Accommodation: €12,000 – €37,850 per annum depending on distance from the Leinster House. Senators get paid €7,000 – €32,850 per annum and so-called “office holders” get paid €8,400 – €36,150 per annum
    Public Representation Allowance: €15,000 for TDs (no evidence of expenditure required – unvouched) or up to €25,700 (supported by invoices and receipts – vouched); Ministers €12,000 (unvouched) to €20,000 (vouched); Senators €9,250 (unvouched) to €15,000 (vouched)
    37 – Dual abode allowance: This applies to ministers only and allows Ministers to claim tax deductions on mortgages, rental or hotel accommodation PLUS tax deductions for maintaining property and other expenses which can be up to €6,500.
    38 – Ministers can claim a tax deduction on the interest on any loan required to purchase a second residence.
    39 – Ministers can claim a tax deduction on maintenance required on any second residence. € 6,500
    40 – Ministers can claim the entire cost of rental accommodation if their second residence is rented.
    41 – Ministers can claim a tax deduction on the cost of maintaining a second rented residence.
    42 – As an alternative to 41 Ministers can claim a tax deduction of €4,500
    43 – If Ministers use a hotel or guest house as a second residence they an claim for the entire cost IN ADDITION to €72.66 for subsistence.
    44 – If Ministers use a hotel or guest house as a second residence they an claim for maintenance costs (e.g. laundry)
    45 – As an alternative to 44 Ministers can claim €3,500
    46 – Allowance for Independent TDs
    € 41,152 per annum each for the 18 independent TDs (Stephen Donnelly, Luke Flanagan, Mick Wallace, Shane Ross, Thomas Pringle, Michael Healy-Rae, Michael Lowry, Finian McGrath, Mattie McGrath, Tom Fleming, Noel Grealish, John Halligan, Catherine Murphy, Maureen O’Sullivan PLUS four TDs who have had the party whip removed Tommy Broughan, Willie Penrose, Denis Naughten and Patrick Nulty ).
    47 – Allowance for Independent Senators
    € 23,388 for 11 independent senators (John Crown, David Norris, Sean Barrett, Martin McAleese, Feargal Quinn, Ronan Mullen, Fiach Mac Conghail, Marie-Louise O’Donnell, Jillian van Turnhout, Katherine Zappone, Mary Ann O’Brien.
    48 – Termination payments:
    These are due to of a lump sum upon termination PLUS a monthly payment for up to a year. As long as you have at least six months service in either the Dail or Seanad, you get a termination payment of two months salary. The monthly payment depends on how many years you’ve been a TD or senator eg for five years, you get three months at 75% of your salary. If you have over 14 years service, then you’d be entitled to 6 months at 75% of salary plus the following six months at 50% of salary.
    49 – Mileage Allowances
    50 – Each minister and minister of state, except An Taoiseach, An Tanaiste and justice minister, is entitled to recruit two drivers apiece at a cost which is charged to each department.
    51 – Attendance of a TD at a “parliamentary assembly” carries hotel expenses and a subsistence allowance for “entertaining”
    52 – Parliamentary assistants allowance (no requirement by Oireachtas members to report appointing members of their own families)
    Up to €41,092 per TD for secretarial assistance, PR, IT and training
    €8,000 per TD to set up and kit out a constituency office
    Additional perks
    53 – Free parking in central Dublin (normal cost €12 per day approx)
    54 – Free gym
    55 – Free subsidised restaurant
    56 – Private members bar with subsidised drinks
    57 – Free tax advice service
    58 – Free language lessons
    59 – Postage: – 1,500 free postage items per month for TDs and 1,000 for senators.
    60 – Free ink cartridges: up to the value of €2000 annually
    61 – Free unlimited telephone calls (landline)
    62 – Mobile phone allowance: €750 every 18 months
    63 – Free office in Leinster House for TDs & Senators
    64 – VHI free
    65 – Free Automobile A insurance
    66 – Free car insurance.
    67 – Free personal accident and death insurance
    68 – Individual state funding for political parties.”


    Off with their Heads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭dcmm


    AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Sob! Sob! X BY 1 BILLION TEARS OF ORDINARY US, THE WORKERS, GRINDERS, TAXPAYERS, What to do, where to go? Just motor on till we drop, or dilute this club membership by half, on half wages, assess achievements monthly, in public forum, and grade on a point system achievements or inactivity.Last day of month, D day, speak up or shut up you will be accountable, and praised or banished.Fresh replacements duly processed get their turn. Hungry eager energetic politicians, have to get their chance to prove the whole country's dilemma is fixable. Well dreams can come true.........Can't they?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 476 ✭✭christ on a bike!


    dcmm wrote: »
    AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Sob! Sob! X BY 1 BILLION TEARS OF ORDINARY US, THE WORKERS, GRINDERS, TAXPAYERS, What to do, where to go? Just motor on till we drop, or dilute this club membership by half, on half wages, assess achievements monthly, in public forum, and grade on a point system achievements or inactivity.Last day of month, D day, speak up or shut up you will be accountable, and praised or banished.Fresh replacements duly processed get their turn. Hungry eager energetic politicians, have to get their chance to prove the whole country's dilemma is fixable. Well dreams can come true.........Can't they?

    This is exactly what we need, eloquence and ideas!

    Well done sir


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    The thing is that its the one job that has the most open and transparent selection process. Except instead of impressing a few people over a few rounds of interviews, your interview lasts the few months of an election cycle, you have to impress a tens of thousands of people and the same people can judge you based on every comment or action you make over the next 5 years before you have to go through another interview.

    I think they should be well paid because its an important job no matter what. Some of those perks are ridiculous though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭dcmm


    Thanks for encouragement, why is it so hard to see things in black and white, right or wrong? 'Cos their the only colours you can see clearly always.Forget your political shades of grey,
    That's a bandwagon leaving town full ofthe future blue rinse brigade, the successful nesters who are riding off into the sunset. Regular junket educated ex or soon to be ex politicos slip away
    to their cocooned financially secured future chillin' for a livin' Yes I'm mad as hell that it happens, how to try to reach that piece (PEACE!) Of their mind where they have to live with their conscience? Its a long hard road for all of us , but it does ease the journey when you know you can live with yourself and didn't wrong anyone


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    xpletiv wrote: »
    Overpaid freeloaders. I think that a cap on politicians should be 100k. Noone needs more than that a year. They dont do a good enough job to deserve these perks/bonuses/wages in general.

    At least take all expenses away and make them pay for all themselves. See the bills go down hugely then. No more chartered helicopters, no more 4 and 5 star hotels, no more expending expensive meals.

    I agree with him.
    They could attract people who are experts in their field, business geniuses, etc.
    I wouldn't mind if they paid them a mint. It'd be well worth it.

    100k+100k in extras is a lot to pay a bunch of former teachers and publicans who haven't a fucking baldy what they are at.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Hi all, as most of you know the poor TD's & senators have had there salaries cut (sarcasm). I found some extra facts about how much they are REALLY paid. I hope J.Rudd from thejournal doesnt mind me using his interesting research :)
    Just to give you a heads up, you may find these figures upsetting....

    here are the pay and perks that Enda Kenny and the other 225 members of Leinster House receive.
    1 – Basic wage of a TD: € 92,672
    2 – Basic wage of a Senator: € 65,621
    Additional payments for TDs are as follows:
    3 – Additional payment for a Minister of State: €37,370
    4 – Additional payment for super Ministers of State: € 17,205 (plus € 37,370 above)
    5 – Minister (€ 76,603)
    6 – Tanaiste (€ 91,733)
    7 – Taoiseach (€ 107,328)
    8 – Ceann Comhairle (€ 76,603)
    9 – Leas Ceann Comhairle (€ 37,370)
    10 – Chairpersons of Oireachtas committees (Andrew Doyle, Ciarán Lynch, Dominic Hannigan, Alex White, Pat Breen,Jerry Buttimer, Joanna Tuffy, Peadar Tóibín, Damien English, David Stanton, Thomas Pringle, Seán Barrett, John McGuinness , Tom Hayes): €9,500
    11 – Member of Oireachtas Commission (Senator John Whelan, Senator Tom Sheahan, Senator Marc MacSharry, Deputy Frank Feighan, Deputy Dan Neville, Deputy John Browne, Deputy Catherine Byrne, Deputy Jack Wall ): €9,500
    Chief whips
    12 – Chief Whip (Paul Kehoe): no payment specified in One Stop Shop
    13 – Assistant Government Whip (Emmet Stagg): €15,000
    14 – Whip to Labour Party (Emmet Stagg): no payment specified in One Stop Shop
    15 – Asst Whip to Fine Gael (Joe Carey): €7,500
    16 – Asst Whip to Labour (John Lyons): €6,000
    17 – Whip to Fianna Fail (Sean O’Fearghail): €19,000
    18 – Asst Whip to Fianna Fail (John Browne): €9,500
    19 – Whip to Sinn Fein (Aengus Ó Snodaigh): €6,000
    20 – Asst Whip to Sinn Fein (Jonathan O’Brien): €3,000
    21 – Whip to Socialist Party : €6,000
    22 – Whip to People Before Profit : €6,000
    Additional payments for Senators are as follows
    22 – Cathaoirleach (Paddy Burke): €44,336
    23 – Leas-Chathaoirleach (Denis O’Donovan): €24,429
    24 – Leader of the Seanad (Maurice Cummins): €19,439
    25 – Deputy Leader of the House (Ivana Bacik): €9,500
    26 – Government Whip (Paul Coghlan): €6,000
    27 – Assistant Government Whip (Susan O’Keeffe): €4,000
    28 – Fianna Fáil Leader (Darragh O’Brien): €9,500
    29 – Independent Group of Nominee Senators’ Leader (Jillian Van Turnhout): €6,000
    30 – Independent Group of University Senators’ Leader (Ronan Mullen): €6,000
    31 – Fianna Fáil Whip (Diarmuid Wilson): €6,000
    32 – Independent Group of Nominee Senators’ Whip (Katherine Zappone): €4,000
    33 – Independent Group of University Senators’ Whip (Sean Barrett): €4,000
    34 – Select Committee on Members’ Interests of Seanad Éireann (Ivana Bacik, Deirdre Clune,David Cullinane, Maurice Cummins, Ronan Mullen, Darragh O’Brien, Jillian Turnhout) : €3,100 per annum
    Pensions
    35 – TDs and senators contribute 6% of their salary a year for up to a maximum of 20 years in order to benefit from the Dail pension scheme. It is a final salary scheme which allows for a maximum of ½ the final salary to be paid for life from aged 65 – 1/40th of final salary is accrued for each year of service. It provides for a lump sum upon retirement and it is possible to take early retirement from age 50.
    Allowances
    36 – Travel and Accommodation: €12,000 – €37,850 per annum depending on distance from the Leinster House. Senators get paid €7,000 – €32,850 per annum and so-called “office holders” get paid €8,400 – €36,150 per annum
    Public Representation Allowance: €15,000 for TDs (no evidence of expenditure required – unvouched) or up to €25,700 (supported by invoices and receipts – vouched); Ministers €12,000 (unvouched) to €20,000 (vouched); Senators €9,250 (unvouched) to €15,000 (vouched)
    37 – Dual abode allowance: This applies to ministers only and allows Ministers to claim tax deductions on mortgages, rental or hotel accommodation PLUS tax deductions for maintaining property and other expenses which can be up to €6,500.
    38 – Ministers can claim a tax deduction on the interest on any loan required to purchase a second residence.
    39 – Ministers can claim a tax deduction on maintenance required on any second residence. € 6,500
    40 – Ministers can claim the entire cost of rental accommodation if their second residence is rented.
    41 – Ministers can claim a tax deduction on the cost of maintaining a second rented residence.
    42 – As an alternative to 41 Ministers can claim a tax deduction of €4,500
    43 – If Ministers use a hotel or guest house as a second residence they an claim for the entire cost IN ADDITION to €72.66 for subsistence.
    44 – If Ministers use a hotel or guest house as a second residence they an claim for maintenance costs (e.g. laundry)
    45 – As an alternative to 44 Ministers can claim €3,500
    46 – Allowance for Independent TDs
    € 41,152 per annum each for the 18 independent TDs (Stephen Donnelly, Luke Flanagan, Mick Wallace, Shane Ross, Thomas Pringle, Michael Healy-Rae, Michael Lowry, Finian McGrath, Mattie McGrath, Tom Fleming, Noel Grealish, John Halligan, Catherine Murphy, Maureen O’Sullivan PLUS four TDs who have had the party whip removed Tommy Broughan, Willie Penrose, Denis Naughten and Patrick Nulty ).
    47 – Allowance for Independent Senators
    € 23,388 for 11 independent senators (John Crown, David Norris, Sean Barrett, Martin McAleese, Feargal Quinn, Ronan Mullen, Fiach Mac Conghail, Marie-Louise O’Donnell, Jillian van Turnhout, Katherine Zappone, Mary Ann O’Brien.
    48 – Termination payments:
    These are due to of a lump sum upon termination PLUS a monthly payment for up to a year. As long as you have at least six months service in either the Dail or Seanad, you get a termination payment of two months salary. The monthly payment depends on how many years you’ve been a TD or senator eg for five years, you get three months at 75% of your salary. If you have over 14 years service, then you’d be entitled to 6 months at 75% of salary plus the following six months at 50% of salary.
    49 – Mileage Allowances
    50 – Each minister and minister of state, except An Taoiseach, An Tanaiste and justice minister, is entitled to recruit two drivers apiece at a cost which is charged to each department.
    51 – Attendance of a TD at a “parliamentary assembly” carries hotel expenses and a subsistence allowance for “entertaining”
    52 – Parliamentary assistants allowance (no requirement by Oireachtas members to report appointing members of their own families)
    Up to €41,092 per TD for secretarial assistance, PR, IT and training
    €8,000 per TD to set up and kit out a constituency office
    Additional perks
    53 – Free parking in central Dublin (normal cost €12 per day approx)
    54 – Free gym
    55 – Free subsidised restaurant
    56 – Private members bar with subsidised drinks
    57 – Free tax advice service
    58 – Free language lessons
    59 – Postage: – 1,500 free postage items per month for TDs and 1,000 for senators.
    60 – Free ink cartridges: up to the value of €2000 annually
    61 – Free unlimited telephone calls (landline)
    62 – Mobile phone allowance: €750 every 18 months
    63 – Free office in Leinster House for TDs & Senators
    64 – VHI free
    65 – Free Automobile A insurance
    66 – Free car insurance.
    67 – Free personal accident and death insurance
    68 – Individual state funding for political parties.”

    How come people that work can't get some of these benefits? Also, if that's what they are getting, I'd love to know what the Troika (the people who run our country) are getting


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