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Traveller houses burnt out **Please Read Mod Warning (posts 6 & 8) before posting**

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  • #52
    periodictable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 931 ✭✭✭periodictable


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »

    I see no necessity to have .50 calibre bullets flying about .... unnecessary force endangering lives!

    Unfortunately there is a mindset that refuses to accept basic authority, be it the drug running thugs in Moyross or some Travellers who think they can set up camp wherever they wish and view basic law and polite requests to leave as a form of weakness. In those circumstances force is warrented. A bully will always back down when he meets someone willing to play the game on his terms.


  • #53
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    periodictable wrote: »
    Unfortunately there is a mindset that refuses to accept basic authority, be it the drug running thugs in Moyross or some Travellers who think they can set up camp wherever they wish and view basic law and polite requests to leave as a form of weakness. In those circumstances force is warrented. A bully will always back down when he meets someone willing to play the game on his terms.

    I don't dispute that for a minute ;)

    But based on the info reported in the original post on the Belgian situation, the action taken does not appear to be 'appropriate'.
    It hardly seems to fall into the category of minimum force to achieve the objective.


  • #54
    periodictable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 931 ✭✭✭periodictable


    Heard about housing anti-social public authority tenants in shipping containers in the Netherlands-something we could try here perhaps?

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/abusive-neighbors-to-be-sent-into-container-exile-in-amsterdam-a-870976.html

    Cheap, and they can't be burnt down.


  • #55
    bigblackmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 145 ✭✭bigblackmug


    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/sbp-e1397338227894.jpg

    Today's Sunday business post

    Widespread Feuding blamed for Vacant traveller sites.


  • #56
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    It is ironic how many laws protect travellers and how few protect taxpayers


  • #57
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    periodictable wrote: »
    Heard about housing anti-social public authority tenants in shipping containers in the Netherlands-something we could try here perhaps?

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/abusive-neighbors-to-be-sent-into-container-exile-in-amsterdam-a-870976.html

    Cheap, and they can't be burnt down.



    Proper order. However in Ireland what about their rights?


    In any right minded society, people who flout the laws of the land no longer have rights. Simples!


  • #58
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,839 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    delthedriver wrote: »
    It is ironic how many laws protect travellers and how few protect taxpayers

    It's not ironic, it's sickening


  • #59
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    It's not ironic, it's sickening



    Agree, however I can't expand on this thought for fear of being banned from the thread.


    Obviously the travellers have more rights here too


  • #60
    SterlingArcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭SterlingArcher


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Agree, however I can't expand on this thought for fear of being banned from the thread.


    Obviously the travellers have more rights here too

    It's societies failings.

    Tolerance breathes corruption.

    And this applies to all within. To anybody causing trouble , to bankers bringing a country to It's knees, CEOs spending the good will charity money on their own lavish lifestyles ...

    As for the forum banning thing. It's understandable. Being politically correct or <Mod snip> is sometimes a necessary evil. You have to be blind not to see this no matter how much you or I disagree with it.

    If you still don't get it , I could for example set up a tread...

    delthadriverr likes to beat himself off to nature documentaries, believes the voice of David Attenborough is an aphrodisiac. This could be a total lie and defamation of your good character leaving this medium open to legal proceedings against it.

    Same goes for topic of " travellers".


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  • #61
    dees99
    Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭dees99


    Anybody remember that housing estate the council built for the travellers, Gorris I think it was called, across from the driving range. As soon as it was built they stripped every house of anything valuable copper etc and then burnt them all out. One of them was done for it if I remember.

    How come its only travellers housestht are getting burnt out.

    You can hardly ban people for pointing the finger at who we all know did it. Pavee Point are deluded people who have never had to live near or have to put up with travellers growing up in Ennis. They're <Mod Snip> from my personal experience.


  • #62
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    SterlingArcher wrote: »
    It's societies failings.

    Tolerance breathes corruption.

    And this applies to all within. To anybody causing trouble , to bankers bringing a country to It's knees, CEOs spending the good will charity money on their own lavish lifestyles ...

    As for the forum banning thing. It's understandable. Being politically correct or <Mod snip> is sometimes a necessary evil. You have to be blind not to see this no matter how much you or I disagree with it.

    If you still don't get it , I could for example set up a tread...

    delthadriverr likes to beat himself off to nature documentaries, believes the voice of David Attenborough is an aphrodisiac. This could be a total lie and defamation of your good character leaving this medium open to legal proceedings against it.

    Same goes for topic of " travellers".



    However did you know about my interest in nature programmes?


    I guess in the same way we know that certain members of the travelling community are scumbags and should never have been housed using taxpayers money in the first place.


    Meanwhile law abiding citizens are on housing lists, what about their rights? Their needs and rights should be given the same attention as the travellers for fear of discrimination.


    Travellers have always been an issue, however their rights appear to take precedence over other members of society.


    So who is being discriminated against here?


    Pavee Point are a well meaning bunch of people, meanwhile the people they represent have no respect for them nor any one else for that matter.


    If average Joe could acquire the same rights as the travellers, perhaps he would be better off?


  • #63
    SterlingArcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭SterlingArcher


    Delthdriver again It's not the travellers fault. They take advantage of what is afforded to them. It's like telling an addict to give up his free bus pass because It's not fair that everyone else has to pay..

    Like I said It's the broken system that is at fault. That is the real issue. It actually creates more discrimination.


  • #64
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    SterlingArcher wrote: »
    Delthdriver again It's not the travellers fault. They take advantage of what is afforded to them. It's like telling an addict to give up his free bus pass because It's not fair that everyone else has to pay..

    Like I said It's the broken system that is at fault. That is the real issue. It actually creates more discrimination.

    It is my firm belief that a lot of people like using the ethnic, race, sex and whatever else they can think of excuse to garner themselves an advantage.
    "But I'm a (insert specific group) and need special treatment/favors/tax incentives, etc...!"
    And modern society in a complete hysteria not to appear uncaring or discriminatory gives in and shoves everything everyone's way.
    Some people Do need help, such as kids, the elderly, disabled people and so on. People who, for a genuine reason, cannot fend for themselves.
    90% of everyone else who cries "But I need x,y and z! Everyone's discriminating against me! Gimme Gimme Gimme!" are nothing but cute hoors who have found an excuse they can ride to get themselves an advantage.
    Other reasons can be, if a certain group has been given everything, had everything shoved down their throats and their bums wiped, they have now grown into the victim mentality.
    Unless you are handicapped, infirm, very old (and not even then all the time) or very young and have your wits about you, it doesn't matter what color, creed, origin, perceived or real ethnic group you are, there is no real obstacle in society to prevent you from doing anything you want to do.
    Otherwise I'd like to see the policy document that contains all this "discrimination" everyone is always bleating on about.
    If someone is willing to put the effort in, get the qualifications, do the work and can convince people that they have the right stuff, then it is completely immaterial where he's from.
    But if you use an excuse as a sign around your neck saying "I am such and such and that's why I don't have a chance", you have doomed yourselves.
    This rant was not written with any specific group in mind, but simply saying that people like to categorise themselves and put themselves into a box and use that as a handy excuse as to why they can't succeed.
    I'm saying that if you can grow beyond your box, there is no limit to what you can achieve, other than your own ability and willingness.
    It's not other people, it's you!
    of course people will hate hearing this, because it strips them of the convenient excuse "But I am a victim!"
    STOP being a victim! Otherwise that's all you will ever be.


  • #65
    999/112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭999/112


    delthedriver wrote: »
    It is ironic how many laws protect travellers and how few protect taxpayers

    I wish I could keep "thanking" this post. Excellent!


  • #66
    999/112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭999/112


    SterlingArcher wrote: »
    Delthdriver again It's not the travellers fault. They take advantage of what is afforded to them. It's like telling an addict to give up his free bus pass because It's not fair that everyone else has to pay..

    Like I said It's the broken system that is at fault. That is the real issue. It actually creates more discrimination.

    "Ah shure, tis in der nature". :rolleyes:


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  • #67
    Claregirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Claregirl


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    Dr. Fuzzenstein is on a week off.

    If anyone wants to raise concerns about this thread or the Clare forum in general, please start a thread in 'Feedback'.

    Folks I've started a thread in feedback about this thread if anyone else wants to wade in.


  • #68
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    999/112 wrote: »
    I wish I could keep "thanking" this post. Excellent!



    I was in Boston recently, a radio talk show host was moaning about the illegal aliens , more specifically the Mexicans. He summed up the situation perfectly when he pleaded to be treated like an illegal alien. He felt that being a law abiding citizen put him at a disadvantage compared with illegal aliens and minority groups.


    The situation with the travellers is a fair comparison, as a minority group get all the benefits , while ordinary Joe taxpayer can earn whatever he may be entitled to.


    What evidence is there to support the travelling community having declared their earnings to revenue like everyone else?
    Seriously the Travellers want to be treated like everyone else, therefore let them pay their way like everyone else


  • #69
    Mr. G
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 4,621 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr. G


    Mod: I'm closing this thread because since it was revived it has very little (if anything to do with) County Clare.

    Anyone wishing to take up further debate on Travellers can do so in the Humanities forum.


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