Its just business.

mariaalice · 08-02-2012 10:19pm #1

I watched the prime time program about prostitution in Ireland on the RTE player.

One thing that struck me was the use of web sites to market the services.

If you owned a small web company and were approached to set up and maintain a site for a pimp would you do it or would you decline because its prostitution?

Do you think the person setting up and maintaining the site is as culpable as the pimp and should be prosecuted or as I said would you view it as ..just business.

kfallon · 08-02-2012 10:20pm

Anything in it that you'd get a fap out to???

:pac:

Einhard · 08-02-2012 10:21pm

Prostitution should be legalised and regulated. Everyone wins. Except the pimps and human trafficers.

Temptamperu · 08-02-2012 10:30pm

Its not the governments business what people do with their money or bodies. Legalise everything I say.

Eric Cartman · 08-02-2012 10:34pm

mariaalice wrote: »

If you owned a small web company and were approached to set up and maintain a site for a pimp would you do it or would you decline because its prostitution?

I dont see why it should be a problem, its only a website ffs, I maintain a few for far worse people than 'pimps'

Benny_Cake · 08-02-2012 10:36pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

mariaalice wrote: »

If you owned a small web company and were approached to set up and maintain a site for a pimp would you do it or would you decline because its prostitution?

I dont see why it should be a problem, its only a website ffs, I maintain a few for far worse people than 'pimps'

Really?! Do tell!

In all seriousness, isn't this what In Dublin magazine got into trouble over some years back? Could a web host run into similar problems?

Eric Cartman · 08-02-2012 10:47pm

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Really?! Do tell!

In all seriousness, isn't this what In Dublin magazine got into trouble over some years back? Could a web host run into similar problems?

not if you use servers in countries like sweden, the netherlands or russia.

tigger123 · 08-02-2012 10:52pm

I'd much rather host a website that reunites lost puppies with their owners.

Phill Ewinn · 08-02-2012 10:54pm

The guy makes €20,000 a week..

Doc Ruby · 08-02-2012 10:58pm

Temptamperu wrote: »

Its not the governments business what people do with their money or bodies. Legalise everything I say.

Yes, over the counter crack and machine guns, what could go wrong?

Idealistically I agree with you but realistically some stuff just has too much potential for harm if one single person goes mad, I mean look what happened in Norway.

Prostitution if not already legalised should be legalised (and taxed) fully, but brothels need to stay illegal, as should pimping.

Dr. Manhattan · 08-02-2012 11:00pm

mariaalice wrote: »

If you owned a small web company and were approached to set up and maintain a site for a pimp would you do it or would you decline because its prostitution?

Do you think the person setting up and maintaining the site is as culpable as the pimp and should be prosecuted or as I said would you view it as ..just business.

What makes to think the IT people should be any different to all the others involved in the trade? The traffickers, pimps, solicitors, accountants, clients, drivers, landlords and whoever else. Why shouldn't the question be about any or all of those using their skills?

Eric Cartman · 08-02-2012 11:01pm

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

The guy makes €20,000 a week..

im in the wrong game

Pacifist Pigeon · 08-02-2012 11:02pm

Volenti non fit injuria. If someone consents to something being done to their own body (even by another person), it shouldn't be illegal. That should be one of the primary boundaries of the law.

Similarly, if someone wishes to sell their body for sex, they shouldn't be stopped.

Dr. Manhattan · 08-02-2012 11:02pm

tigger123 wrote: »

I'd much rather host a website that reunites lost puppies with their owners.

That's exactly what EI are doing, but they don't stop at puppies, they do pussies too :pac:

Seachmall · 08-02-2012 11:06pm

Dr. Manhattan wrote: »

What makes to think the IT people should be any different to all the others involved in the trade?

God gave us these gifts, it's not for us to judge who gets use of them or not.

When a mere mortal approaches us to set up a website or configure his network we must oblige for all men are created equal. Their uses are none of our concern, they can't be. We must remain objective in our pursuits and leave emotion at the door. It can be a tiresome task but it's one we bare and embrace.

We are the IT people. We are here to help.

"Have you tried turning it off, and then back on again?"

Dr. Manhattan · 08-02-2012 11:11pm

Seachmall wrote: »

God gave us these gifts, it's not for us to judge who gets use them or not.

When a mere mortal approaches us to set up a website or configure his network we must oblige for all men are created equal. Their uses are none of our concern, the can't be. We must remain objective in our pursuits and leave emotion at the door. It can be a tiresome task but it's one we bare and embrace.

We are the IT people. We are here to help.

Have you tried turning it off, and then back on again?

I see. Your skills are a vocation, learned in monastic isolation on mountaintops with a similar ethical approach as doctors, treat all equally. Fair enough.

That was my point though, everyone involved should be subject to the same standards.

Eric Cartman · 08-02-2012 11:11pm

+1 IT transcends all, ive helped socialists, religious groups, even hipsters. Its all money at the end of the day

Pacifist Pigeon · 08-02-2012 11:14pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

+1 IT transcends all, ive helped socialists, religious groups, even hipsters. Its all money at the end of the day

Why didn't you install a system destroying virus that would only manifest itself after about 3 months?

Eric Cartman · 08-02-2012 11:16pm

Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »

Why didn't you install a system destroying virus that would only manifest itself after about 3 months?

most of them are mac users

the real way to play the game is give everyone the same service for different prices, what might cost a hipster 200 euro to have fixed could be 50 euro in the hands of somebody i actually have some iota of respect for

El Weirdo · 08-02-2012 11:17pm

Einhard wrote: »

Prostitution should be legalised and regulated. Everyone wins. Except the pimps and human trafficers.

I suppose I may as well say it, as it's always brought up in these threads -

Prostitution isn't illegal in Ireland.

mariaalice · 08-02-2012 11:22pm

There is a big difference doing business for someone you dislike or find laughable and doing business for someone who is doing something illegal or something you find repugnant.

Of course everyone involved in the business should face the same tratment.

I am intrigued on how some one would think.. I would nerve be a 'pimp' but its okay to set up a web site or rent an apartment to someone ruining a prostitution business.

Eric Cartman · 08-02-2012 11:25pm

mariaalice wrote: »

There is a big difference doing business for someone you dislike or find laughable and doing business for someone who is doing something illegal or something you find repugnant.

Of course everyone involved in the business should face the same tratment.

I am intrigued on how some one would think.. I would nerve be a 'pimp' but its okay to set up a web site or rent an apartment to someone ruining a prostitution business.

but a lot of these people know whats going on, I for instance have no issue with any part of the business, so have no problem with anything from being a pimp to running websites. Id say most people involved have no issue with any of it, but just do the small parts as it all works out for them.

If you have a problem with it then dont do it.

Temptamperu · 08-02-2012 11:32pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

I suppose I may as well say it, as it's always brought up in these threads -

Prostitution isn't illegal in Ireland.

Que

mariaalice · 08-02-2012 11:32pm

That okay for you as you say you would have no problem being a 'pimp' or doing the website or renting the apartment, but there are people who would run the website and rent them an apartment BUT would not run the prostitution business and would feel that prostitution had noting to do with them!

Seachmall · 08-02-2012 11:32pm

Temptamperu wrote: »

Que

Pimps, Brothels and Soliciting in public are illegal.

The act of paying for sex isn't.

Eric Cartman · 08-02-2012 11:34pm

mariaalice wrote: »

That okay for you as you say you would have no problem being a 'pimp' or doing the website or renting the apartment, but there are people who would run the website and rent them an apartment BUT would not run the prostitution business and would feel that prostitution had noting to do with them!

if I own a forest and a body gets dumped there, am I a murderer ?

Seachmall · 08-02-2012 11:37pm

mariaalice wrote: »

That okay for you as you say you would have no problem being a 'pimp' or doing the website or renting the apartment, but there are people who would run the website and rent them an apartment BUT would not run the prostitution business and would feel that prostitution had noting to do with them!

I kind of get what you're getting at but I'm not sure I'd agree.

Designing a site for a Pimp is not partaking in the prostitution. You are not pimping the girls out, you're not driving them around, you're not doing whatever else is involved in running prostitutes.

You provide a service. They pay for the service. The service ends.

It's like saying someone who sells a car to a drug dealer is partaking in drug dealing. He's not, he's just selling a car.

The_Thing · 08-02-2012 11:47pm

Criminalising it in Sweden doesn't seem to have worked if the Escort-Sweden website is anything to go by.

So far public debate has been very much one-sided. For a truly balanced view of the business, RTE should do another hour long special on the women who are genuinely working as independents.

Its just business.

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