The Learning Irish/General Queries Thread.

sryanbruen · 14-03-2016 6:13pm

NCW feen wrote: »

An bhfuil difríocht ar bith idir na briathra ceap agus smaoinigh agus cad faoi braith agus mothaigh ?

Ceap is more of a vague type of thinking.

E.g. Cheap mé go raibh tú sa teach. - I thought that you were in the house.

Smaoinigh implies in other situations of "to think" that aren't really necessarily "vague".

E.g. Smaoinigh mé ar a ainm - I thought of his name (or... Smaoinigh mé ar chleas - I thought of an idea)

^ It's very hard to explain these but this is the closest I could do.

Meanwhile, about Braith and Mothaigh.

Braith is used in situations where you feel something like "pain". Therefore, it is used transitively (i.e. with an object). It cannot be used without a mentioned object.

Mothaigh can be used with a mentioned object AND without an object.

I'm sorry if this is too confusing for you!

sryanbruen · 15-03-2016 9:33am

Update here:

Smaoinigh - To think of something
Ceap - To think

gaiscioch · 25-03-2016 2:13pm

Córas oideachais oifigiúla

nó

Córas oideachas oifigiúla

Cheapfainn go raibh an chéad cheann ceart, ach léigh mé an píosa seo a leanas:

"The form of the genitive is not used: when two nouns in the genitive directly follow one another, to avoid a double genitive. Instead the first is lenited in the nominative and only the second is in the genitive. This is the so-called "functional genitive", the first noun is "functional" in genitive relation, but keeps the nominative form and is lenited." (Foinse)

sryanbruen · 24-05-2016 8:38pm

Is there any difference between saying

Níl a fhios agam

nó

Níl fhios agam

feargale · 24-05-2016 8:58pm

Níl a fhios agam = I don't know it; I don't know about it.

Níl fhios agam = I don't know.

Little or no difference in practice.

sryanbruen · 24-05-2016 9:00pm

Plus when do you say

"A" followed by a verb instead of "Go" nó "Gur"?

Thanks for that feargale, appreciate it!

sryanbruen · 01-07-2016 4:54pm

When you say "Of" with a possessive pronoun in English, do you not say it in Irish? For example,

Love of my life - Grá mo shaol

^ Is this correct?

feargale · 01-07-2016 6:24pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

When you say "Of" with a possessive pronoun in English, do you not say it in Irish? For example,

Love of my life - Grá mo shaol

^ Is this correct?

It should read "mo shaoil. The genitive case with few exceptions causes a change in the form of the noun.

"De" for of is used only in rare cases.

sryanbruen · 01-07-2016 6:26pm

feargale wrote: »

It should read "mo shaoil. The genitive case with few exceptions causes a change in the form of the noun.

"De" for of is used only in rare cases.

Oh yeah but, do you just do it as:

Noun + Possessive pronoun + Noun?

Or do you put "De" in it?

Insect Overlord · 01-07-2016 8:49pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

Oh yeah but, do you just do it as:

Noun + Possessive pronoun + Noun?

Or do you put "De" in it?

Noun + possessive pronoun + noun in genitive case.

madbeanman · 28-08-2016 9:58pm

Cad é an difríocht idir tóg agus gabh?

sryanbruen · 28-08-2016 10:02pm

madbeanman wrote: »

Cad é an difríocht idir tóg agus gabh?

Tóg = To take away / To take up something
Gabh = To take hold of something / To catch

This is the closest to how I could show the difference between them.

madbeanman · 29-08-2016 1:41pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

Tóg = To take away / To take up something
Gabh = To take hold of something / To catch

This is the closest to how I could show the difference between them.

So tóg is like snatching or tacking something away and Gabh is more about taking for possession.
I guess that makes sense with the idea of Gabh mo leithscéal. I guess you aren't asking them to snatch away or take your apology from you

sryanbruen · 29-08-2016 1:51pm

madbeanman wrote: »

So tóg is like snatching or tacking something away and Gabh is more about taking for possession.
I guess that makes sense with the idea of Gabh mo leithscéal. I guess you aren't asking them to snatch away or take your apology from you

Yes

madbeanman · 29-08-2016 2:33pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

Yes

Go raibh míle!

madbeanman · 31-08-2016 8:45am

Cad a usáideann sibh chun an Gaeilge a foghlaim?

Tá TG4 agus RnaG ann an bhfuil paipéar nuachtáin Gaeilge le fail anois?

An bhfuil siopa leabhar I mBaile Atha Cliath le leabhair scíofa i nGaeilge?

feargale · 31-08-2016 4:11pm

madbeanman wrote: »

Cad a usáideann sibh chun an Gaeilge a foghlaim?

TG4, RnaG srl..

madbeanman wrote: »

Tá TG4 agus RnaG ann an bhfuil paipéar nuachtáin Gaeilge le fail anois?

Google "list of Celtic-language media."

madbeanman wrote: »

An bhfuil siopa leabhar I mBaile Atha Cliath le leabhair scíofa i nGaeilge?

An Siopa Leabhar, 6 Sr. Fhearchair, BAC 2, fon 01-4757401.

gaiscioch · 11-09-2016 12:24pm

Does anybody know if there is any fun and competitive online interactive Irish course that is tailored to the LC or JC curriculum, or that could be so tailored?

I'm using Duolingo for myself, but aside from having no relevance to the LC course it lacks the structure and sense of completion/development/improvement that I personally find indispensable to learning. Would anybody have an alternative that is/could be tailored to the JC/LC courses? Grma.

madbeanman · 02-12-2016 12:29am

Cad é an difríocht idir báisteach agus fearthainne?

Úsáidtear an dhá focail?
D'fhoglaim mé báisteach ach chuala mé fearthainne don chéad uair anois agus mise ah úsáid Duolingu

Insect Overlord · 02-12-2016 12:44am

madbeanman wrote: »

Cad é an difríocht idir báisteach agus fearthainne?

Úsáidtear an dhá focail?
D'fhoglaim mé báisteach ach chuala mé fearthainne don chéad uair anois agus mise ah úsáid Duolingu

Ní dóigh liom go bhfuil difríocht ar bith eatarthu. http://www.teanglann.ie/en/eid/Rain Focail chomhchiallacha atá iontu.

madbeanman · 02-12-2016 3:53pm

gaiscioch wrote: »

Does anybody know if there is any fun and competitive online interactive Irish course that is tailored to the LC or JC curriculum, or that could be so tailored?

I'm using Duolingo for myself, but aside from having no relevance to the LC course it lacks the structure and sense of completion/development/improvement that I personally find indispensable to learning. Would anybody have an alternative that is/could be tailored to the JC/LC courses? Grma.

Ní cheapaim go bhfuil aon chursa mar sin do dhaltaí dara leibhéal le fáil ar líne ach cad a cheapann tú faoi Duolingo?

Poll Dubh · 07-12-2016 5:22pm

madbeanman wrote: »

Cad é an difríocht idir báisteach agus fearthainne?

Úsáidtear an dhá focail?
D'fhoglaim mé báisteach ach chuala mé fearthainne don chéad uair anois agus mise ah úsáid Duolingu

Úsáidtear 'fearthainn' i gcúige Uladh go príomha measaim. Tá sé le fáil sa chanúint Mhaigh Eo chomh maith - http://www.irishlanguageincountymayo.com/about1-clxz

madbeanman · 15-02-2017 12:01am

Ceist agam, a chairde

Conas a deirtear 'Die' sa modh ordaitheach ?

Faigh bás! ??

An ndeirtear 'bás ort' nó bás ar rid éigin ?

gaiscioch · 15-02-2017 11:41pm

madbeanman wrote: »

Ceist agam, a chairde

Conas a deirtear 'Die' sa modh ordaitheach ?

Faigh bás! ??

An ndeirtear 'bás ort' nó bás ar rid éigin ?

Téigh i léig?

In the past few months, some organisation - I surmise Dublin City Council - have put those black and gold steel signs that are across Dublin villages in Ranelagh and Donnybrook. In each place the sign says respectively:
Fáilte go dtí Raghnallach and Fáilte go dtí Domhnach Broc.

Is go dtí correct here? Should it not be go Raghnallach, etc, just as it is go Baile Átha Cliath but go dtí An Uaimh?

madbeanman · 16-02-2017 12:34am

gaiscioch wrote: »

Téigh i léig?

In the past few months, some organisation - I surmise Dublin City Council - have put those black and gold steel signs that are across Dublin villages in Ranelagh and Donnybrook. In each place the sign says respectively:
Fáilte go dtí Raghnallach and Fáilte go dtí Domhnach Broc.

Is go dtí correct here? Should it not be go Raghnallach, etc, just as it is go Baile Átha Cliath but go dtí An Uaimh?

I've never heard that before. Thanks.

As regards go dtí and go you are correct. It should be go with most place names, go dtí is only used with the definite article as you alluded to.

madbeanman · 24-03-2017 12:16am

An bhfuil aon difríocht idir na focail farraige agus muir?

sryanbruen · 24-03-2017 8:38am

madbeanman wrote: »

An bhfuil aon difríocht idir na focail farraige agus muir?

"Mara" is the GENITIVE form of the word "muir." It can't be used on its own in that form...it has to refer to something (for example "sicín na mara": chicken of the sea). The root form is "muir."

Between "muir" and "farraige" there's no difference other than one starts with "m" and has one syllable and the other starts with "f" and has three syllables. They're synonyms.

I'd like to add that "muir" is mostly used in place-names and in some phrases.

The common word for "sea" in everyday speech is "farraige", as far as I know.

Sourced from: http://www.irishgaelictranslator.com/translation/topic58145.html

madbeanman · 25-03-2017 12:51am

Thanks for that. I was thinking Id never seen muir except in the genitive.
Good to know that there is no real difference.

Its strange that the film song of the sea contains the song Amhrán na Farraige but the Irish langauge version of the film is called Amhrán na Mara.

feargale · 25-03-2017 4:35am

madbeanman wrote: »

Thanks for that. I was thinking Id never seen muir except in the genitive.
Good to know that there is no real difference.

Its strange that the film song of the sea contains the song Amhrán na Farraige but the Irish langauge version of the film is called Amhrán na Mara.

Muir is obviously related to Latin maris, Italian mare, Spanish mar, French mer.

madbeanman · 18-04-2017 12:17pm

An bhfuil difríocht ann idir na focail eagla agus faitíos?

Grma

feargale · 18-04-2017 11:33pm

madbeanman wrote: »

An bhfuil difríocht ann idir na focail eagla agus faitíos?

Grma

Eagla = fear.
Faitíos = nervousness, anxiety.

madbeanman · 18-08-2017 8:41pm

A chairde
‪Anois táim ag staidéar an modh ordaitheach agus Ní thuigim conas a úsaidtear an modh ordaitheach sa triú pearsa.‬
‪Mar shampla :Ceannaíodh sé an leabhar!‬
‪Ní fhéadfaí an abairt céanna a úsáid i mBéarla nach bhféadfaí?

ezra_pound · 18-08-2017 10:14pm

madbeanman wrote: »

A chairde
‪Anois táim ag staidéar an modh ordaitheach agus Ní thuigim conas a úsaidtear an modh ordaitheach sa triú pearsa.‬
‪Mar shampla :Ceannaíodh sé an leabhar!‬
‪Ní fhéadfaí an abairt céanna a úsáid i mBéarla nach bhféadfaí?

Déarfainn go bhféadfá "let him buy the book... [if he wants to waste his money on it]" a rá.

Sa tslí gur féidir "ná feicim d'aghaidh arís anseo" a aistriú mar "don't let me see your face here again" nó "téimis abhaile" mar "let's go home".

feargale · 20-09-2017 1:13am

Más é bhúr thoil é, Gaeilge ar "Faroe Islands"?

Insect Overlord · 20-09-2017 9:48am

feargale wrote: »

Más é bhúr thoil é, Gaeilge ar "Faroe Islands"?

http://m.tearma.ie/Search.aspx?term=Faroe

http://www.potafocal.com/beo/?s=Faroe+islands

Na hOileáin Fharó, de réir na bhfoinsí seo.

onlyasuggestion · 22-09-2017 5:03pm

tá ceist agam faoi úsáid an focal 'Cas'. Cad a ciallaíonn sé san abairt "Níor chas mé riamh ar Ambasadóir na Rúise"

Ceapaim go bhfuil sé cosúil le "bhuail mé le". An bhfuil sin ceart?

Go raibh maith agat

Insect Overlord · 22-09-2017 5:15pm

onlyasuggestion wrote: »

tá ceist agam faoi úsáid an focal 'Cas'. Cad a ciallaíonn sé san abairt "Níor chas mé riamh ar Ambasadóir na Rúise"

Ceapaim go bhfuil sé cosúil le "bhuail mé le". An bhfuil sin ceart?

Go raibh maith agat

Tá an ceart agat.

madbeanman · 19-11-2017 2:14pm

An bhfuil son difríocht idir na focail áthas agus lúchair sna habairtí seo?

Chuir an scéal sin áthas orm.
Chuir an scéal sin lúcháir orm.

sryanbruen · 20-11-2017 8:55pm

madbeanman wrote: »

An bhfuil son difríocht idir na focail áthas agus lúchair sna habairtí seo?

Chuir an scéal sin áthas orm.
Chuir an scéal sin lúcháir orm.

https://blogs.transparent.com/irish/happy-happiness-and-happy-dances-in-irish-mostly-based-on-athas/

zeebre12 · 20-11-2017 9:02pm

I just saw this question in a sliocht and just want to make sure I have the right meaning 'Cad a bhi o Una sa siopa ealaine?'

Insect Overlord · 20-11-2017 10:39pm

zeebre12 wrote: »

I just saw this question in a sliocht and just want to make sure I have the right meaning 'Cad a bhi o Una sa siopa ealaine?'

"What did Una want in the art shop?"

riffmongous · 11-12-2017 9:56pm

Tá ceist agam, conas a deir tú 'you are welcome' tar éis 'go raibh maith agat'?

An gal gréine · 12-12-2017 3:42pm

Is é do bheatha.

"Tá fáilte romhat" is heard regularly but it means that you are welcoming somebody as you would into your home.

ezra_pound · 12-12-2017 7:31pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Tá ceist agam, conas a deir tú 'you are welcome'? tar éis 'go raibh maith agat'?

Is éard atá in Focloir.ie ná:
'Thank you.' 'You're welcome.' 'Go raibh maith agat.' 'Ná habair é.'; 'Míle buíochas.' 'Tá fáilte romhat

riffmongous · 13-12-2017 12:54am

Thanks for the replies, but yeah tá failte romhat sounds wrong to me for this case, too close to a direct translation which is why I wanted to ask here. Ná habair é is also a bit of béarlachas isn't it?

Is é do bheatha - is that not the start of the Hail Mary?

riffmongous · 13-12-2017 3:25pm

I asked around a few other places and was recommended 'Go ndéana a mhaith duit', which to me seems like a more 'irish' expression

Insect Overlord · 13-12-2017 3:33pm

'sé do bheatha is a nice phrase as well, if you're looking to use both for variety. It's not just used for the Hail Mary. You'll find it in the lyrics of Óró Sé Do Bheatha Abhaile too.

riffmongous · 13-12-2017 3:38pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

'sé do bheatha is a nice phrase as well, if you're looking to use both for variety. It's not just used for the Hail Mary. You'll find it in the lyrics of Óró Sé Do Bheatha Abhaile too.

What does it literally mean?

Insect Overlord · 13-12-2017 3:46pm

riffmongous wrote: »

What does it literally mean?

Literally, "it's your life", but I'd interpret it as being similar to "cheers" or wishing someone good health.

riffmongous · 13-12-2017 4:01pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Literally, "it's your life", but I'd interpret it as being similar to "cheers" or wishing someone good health.

I thought so, which in English is a bit like 'whatever'

But ok, good to know! I am really struggling at the moment to remember all the old phrases and grammar

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