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Rangers FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/2013

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Is there any twitter accounts worth following as regards Scottish Football?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Did Naismith make him a better player?

    Yes.

    Naismith was the driving force behind our creativity, and we havnt really replaced that.
    If a striker isnt getting service then he aint gonna score.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/scottish-premier/rangers/295264-michael-uchebo-ends-rangers-trial-after-one-day/
    Michael Uchebo has ended a trial spell with Rangers after just one day, according to the player’s agent.

    The Nigerian striker, currently contracted to VVV-Venlo, arrived in Glasgow on Wednesday and trained at Murray Park on Thursday.

    The Dutch club had told STV they had struck a deal with Rangers for the permanent transfer of the 6ft 6in player.

    Uchebo though has cut short his time with the SPL side and his agent says his exit is down to a poor first impression of the club.

    “Michael was invited to come over by Ally McCoist,” Uchebo’s agent, Tony Harris, told STV. “When he got there, McCoist wasn’t there.

    “Michael did not enjoy his Rangers experience. He didn’t feel at home and wasn’t comfortable.

    “The player informed Rangers he didn’t want to return to training. Michael will now look at other options.”


    STV understands two clubs in Russia have noted their interest to VVV for Uchebo. The player’s contract runs out at the end of the season, but his club have the option to extend his deal by a further two years.

    The 21-year-old has scored one goal in 10 club appearances this term, having netted eight times in total in 48 games over four seasons.
    :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    He probably had a word with Aluko and discovered that he'd have to pay his own transfer fee :P.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Or he realised he's not good enough and doesn't want to blame himself ?

    He scored 8 in 48, not exactly what we're looking for.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Or he realised he's not good enough and doesn't want to blame himself ?

    He scored what, 6 in 44 ?

    If his form wasn't good enough then don't call him for a trial, if you do call him for a trial at least have the decency to turn up when he is there. Imagine you were looking for a new employer and an international company calls you for an interview, you travel abroad for it only to find that the employer couldn't be bothered showing up. Its a pretty lousy thing to do to a young lad and makes your club look very unprofessional.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Or he realised he's not good enough and doesn't want to blame himself ?

    He scored 8 in 48, not exactly what we're looking for.

    WTF are ye doing bringing him over for a trial so, crazy stuff and more evidence of mismanagement, Id laugh only the demise of Rangers will inevitably have huge adverse effects on Celtic aswell, a two team SPL is considerably more appealing than a one team SPL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Or he realised he's not good enough and doesn't want to blame himself ?

    He scored 8 in 48, not exactly what we're looking for.

    Henrik Larsson had a similar goal:game ratio for Feyenoord ;)

    He's a target man, he's primary function would be to win the ball for Jelavic imo



    Certainly good enough to play and play well in the SPL if used right.

    He could be your version of Samaras...


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    You lot honestly think he wasn't greeted by anyone from the club ?
    Sounds like he's just bitter that he has to go back to ****ty VVV.

    As for his stats and those of Larsson: Larsson impressed in other teams before his move to Feyenoord.

    If he's good enough he would have joined Celik as a new player, he didn't so all we can assume is that he didn't exactly impress anyone.

    And as for our version of Samaras: We already have David Healy ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Rangers in this transfer window is more like Comedy Central


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    You lot honestly think he wasn't greeted by anyone from the club ?
    Sounds like he's just bitter that he has to go back to ****ty VVV.

    As for his stats and those of Larsson: Larsson impressed in other teams before his move to Feyenoord.

    If he's good enough he would have joined Celik as a new player, he didn't so all we can assume is that he didn't exactly impress anyone.

    And as for our version of Samaras: We already have David Healy ;)

    The point about Larsson is that one stat doesnt define a player.

    He was probably greeted by security wondering who the fúck he was.

    You forget that a trial, like a contract, is a two way street. The player has to impress the club and the club have to impress the player.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    The point about Larsson is that one stat doesnt define a player.

    He was probably greeted by security wondering who the fúck he was.

    You forget that a trial, like a contract, is a two way street. The player has to impress the club and the club have to impress the player.

    Agreed about the two way street, but I doubt we've let a wonder-player slip through our fingers.

    Some rumours that CSKA are in for Jelavic for 9m, since they sold Vagner Love.
    Jelavic, who is apparently trying to get Hamdi Salihi to come to Rangers (according to the Sun with quotes from Salihi).

    And Lech Poznan in for Ortiz, but no quotes on that.
    NIKICA JELAVIC is helping lure hitman Hamdi Salihi to Rangers — as his own replacement.

    Jela looks to be on his way out of Ibrox with West Ham leading the chase to sign him.

    But Gers boss Ally McCoist is keen on bringing his former Rapid Vienna team-mate Salihi in.

    Salihi said: "I've spoken to Nik on the phone and he told me how great a club Rangers are. So I am very keen to move to Glasgow.

    "Rangers are a big club and it would be a huge opportunity for me, the next step in my career."

    McCoist's top target is Norwich ace Grant Holt.

    But he is also keen on Albanian Salihi — linked with Celtic earlier this season — who is set to quit Rapid after a fallout with coach Peter Schottel.

    His contract is up at the end of the season. But he'd cost around £400,000 now. Nigerian strike star Michael Uchebo, meanwhile, has joined Gers on trial.

    The 6ft 6in VVV-Venlo ace is out of contract in the summer. It's unlikely he'll land a deal as McCoist cannot bring anyone else in until he moves a top-team man on.

    Polish outfit Lech Poznan are interested in Spanish misfit Juan Ortiz.

    Honduran side Motagua insist Gers they will have to pay £800,000 if they want Jorge Claros.

    Club president Pedro Atala said: "We're not prepared to sell him for less."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Look at some of the players we've picked up, hardly known before joining but now some of our key players, Uchebo is only 21

    Jelavic is doing some engineering there. You'll be better off without a player like that tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    I'm not trying to get into petty point scoring about rangers financial woes but ti thought this article is a good summation.

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11782/7453638/Rangers-feel-the-pinch#
    When I first looked into the whir of financial chaos that was threatening to implode the club, from a football perspective all was rosy. Sitting pretty at the top of the SPL and 12 points clear. Now some two months later Rangers are second, sit four points below Celtic and there remains a pretty grim situation playing out behind the scenes: they are involved in a potentially crippling tribunal case with Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs that concluded last week. And that's only part of it.

    So what's going on?

    HMRC, the folk that collect our tax to you and I, are aggressively pursuing an unpaid tax demand issued to Rangers for £49million. This comprises of £35m in unpaid tax and interest and £14m in penalties. Suffice to say, for a club that is already in the red (Whyte took responsibility for the club's £18m bank debt to Lloyds when he purchased the club from Sir David Murray for £1 in May last year, other creditors are said to take the total up to £30m) that's a panic-inducing amount of cash.

    If the tribunal, which took place last week after postponement last November finds against Rangers, HMRC can demand payment immediately, regardless of whether the club launches an appeal or not.

    The reality, Whyte has recently admitted, is "obvious"; if the club has to pay up he may be forced to take them into administration.

    The club has been hauled up over its past use of Employee Benefit Trusts (EBTs) to pay part of their players' salaries - Rangers paid money into a trust which then paid out to the beneficiaries (players) as a loan. The loans are not subject to income tax or National Insurance - in fact they're hardly taxed at all. Where the issue of tax evasion arises is that these payments cannot be made on a contractual basis - this would make them wages and therefore subject to the usual deductions - and that's the point where the club find themselves in trouble. HMRC say they have proof of the misuse of EBTs in the form of documents and emails between those in charge at Ibrox and players' agents.

    It's been suggested that Rangers are one of many football clubs who have used (or misused if found guilty) EBTs to meet the demands of payroll. This could very well be seen by Government as a test case, which, if won, would open the doors to the recovery of millions of pounds from other clubs who withheld in a similar way.

    Rangers deny the accusation of tax evasion and have been to two prior tribunals to fight their case. No decision was reached in either. They now find themselves in a period of inefficacy after what is expected to be the final hearing on the matter. Some will argue that the club made full use of taxation loopholes, HMRC will insist that in paying top earners at the club in the most 'tax efficient' way Rangers crossed the divide between tax avoidance - which is legal - and tax evasion, which is not.

    Following the tribunal, which was held in Edinburgh last week, Rangers must now embrace a period of uncertainty. A decision is expected in weeks, if not months, although most expect the verdict to be announced in mid to late March.

    In April last year Alistair Johnston, then chairman of the club was bullish in his optimism of a successful outcome in the case.

    "We continue to vigorously contest HMRC's challenge on the taxation treatment of the trust and, in doing so, continue to receive reassuring opinion from tax, accounting and legal specialists."

    Encouraging words. But then the club was about to be sold to Whyte - the lifelong Rangers fan who was completely aware of the tribunal process happening at the time of his 85% purchase from Murray - something that puzzled many as to why he should so fervently persist with the acquisition. A few days after he became the club's new owner, Whyte was in a defiant mood.

    "Our advice is that we're going to win the case. I'm confident that we are going to win the case and that there will be no liability there."

    But last October, Whyte, who was not involved with the club at the time that EBTs were in use, discussed administration in an interview with the Daily Telegraph.

    "It is one of the possibilities we have looked at, yes. The choice in terms of an adverse finding is pretty obvious really."

    It also appears the club may not challenge the findings of the tribunal, should they be found liable for the tax debt, with Whyte seemingly keen to avoid the issue being dragged out any further.

    "It's in some ways worrying but in other ways it would draw a line under a sad event and a sad period in history and would be a chance for a fresh start for Rangers," he said in an interview with Scottish television in October last year.

    By entering into administration the club would incur an automatic 10 point penalty, as well as potentially exposing themselves to other sporting penalties open to the SPL.

    Whyte, having transferred the club's debt to a holding company he owns is effectively the club's main creditor, which he claims puts the club and himself in a position of power should they lose the case to HMRC. He could expect to buy the club back from the administrator without its other debts - something commonplace throughout this recession. You can concur that this proposal would cause little disruption out on the frontline and mean little change to matters on the field, leaving the team to concentrate making up lost ground on Celtic.
    Without getting too complicated though, HMRC could block the sale of the club back to Whyte - challenging any arrangement made with creditors. If HMRC win the tax case they could argue they are the biggest creditor, therefore they would have the power to determine who controls the club and when it comes out of administration.

    There has been speculation that Rangers could even have to start again, to be re-established as a 'new' club - though this is generally seen as a pretty extreme measure.

    And don't forget, even if the tax authority has little chance of recovering the money owed to them they may still want to use the case against Rangers to set a legal example to others.

    And just one more coal to add to the flames: HMRC's recent behaviour indicates that it's now not shy to use a legal power that it has laid dormant for several years - this holds directors, including those former, personally liable for unpaid tax, particularly National Insurance. What else?

    Think this is purely scaremongering? Well the courts don't. They are also concerned by Rangers' financial fragility.

    In launching legal action for breach of contract former Rangers chief executive Martin Bain went to the courts and successfully persuaded a judge to ring-fence £480,000 of Rangers' money should he win his case. He's actually seeking damages for loss of earnings of around twice that amount but such was the case for "real and substantial risk of insolvency" the money was frozen ahead of his court case.

    Former finance director Donald McIntyre, pursued a case for alleged breach of contract and successfully managed to have £300,000 of the club's assets frozen last year - the case was settled out of court in December.

    This has to help paint some of the picture at Ibrox. There is money ring-fenced for the payment of another tax bill - relating to the exposure of another loophole in tax law. This one's probably too much to go into after all this tax talk but basically it emerged in the club's accounts in April last year that from 1999 to 2003 they had used a Discounted Options Scheme - a bit like an EBT in that it's used for the avoidance of paying tax, but works by issuing shares to a beneficiary from a company set up in a tax haven. HMRC state that the club owes £2.8m in back taxes and interest, £2.3m of which has reportedly already been frozen on their behalf. Rangers have just launched an appeal against this charge and the reported £1.4m owing in penalties.

    Capita Trustees, which provides pension services to employers, had taken court action against Rangers in pursuit of an unpaid bill. It was seeking payment of what Capita's lawyer calls a "straightforward commercial debt for advisory services rendered". They agreed an out of court settlement.

    Just a few weeks ago the PLUS stock exchange suspended trading in Rangers when the club was found to have failed to publish their audited accounts up to June 30 2011 or hold their AGM on time, therefore breaching the Companies Act (2006).

    So why weren't the audited accounts published in time? The club say the delay is due to problems in finalising the audit: "Which the board believe will be completed on or around 31 January 2012. The delay in finalising the audit is principally related to the ongoing HMRC tax tribunal."

    The SFA have confirmed that Rangers have until March 31 to publish their audited accounts and in turn show that they do not owe money to the tax authorities. Without this proof it's unlikely Rangers will be granted a license to play in Europe next season.

    And there's more. Whyte failed to disclose to PLUS until November 30 last year that he had been disqualified from becoming a company director for seven years by the UK Insolvency Service in 2000. Such an oversight could cost the club a further £100,000.

    So when you look at the whole picture there's a very real chance Rangers could be in serious financial disarray later this year; but of course there's also the possibility that, perhaps for the good of Scottish football, for the competition and commercial side of the whole affair that Whyte may well be able to negotiate himself a tax bill he can cover.

    Over the next month or two Ally McCoist must work very hard with his Rangers team to keep the club together. The farewell to long-standing captain Davie Weir and injuries can't help. Neither could the potential sale of players such as Nikica Jelavic if Whyte has to keep the wolf from the door. The loss of European football so early this season has also not helped matters.

    Although the latest tribunal with the HMRC has finished, many weeks will pass before the case reaches its conclusion; something which has the possibility to change the face of Scottish football for many years to come.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Can anyone translate this and see why Jorge Claros was the latest to reject Rangers?

    La directiva del Motagua acaba de confirmar esta mañana que el mediocampista hondureño Jorge Claros no se quedará en el Rangers de Escocia.

    En la página web del equipo aducen que fue por "problemas" internos en el club escocés.

    Claros estuvo por dos semanas realizando una prueba con el campeón de la Premier League de Escocia y ya se hacía venir esta decisión.

    El volante catracho participó en dos partidos amistosos a puerta cerrada y lo hizo bien jugando los 90 minutos en cada uno, sin embargo, no logró quedarse.


    A crude translation seems to blame "internal problems" at the club for his wanting away, can anyone cast light on it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    So when you look at the whole picture there's a very real chance Rangers could be in serious financial disarray later this year; but of course there's also the possibility that, perhaps for the good of Scottish football, for the competition and commercial side of the whole affair that Whyte may well be able to negotiate himself a tax bill he can cover.

    That bit is pie in the sky tbh. HMRC are going to use the Rangers case as their legal precedent against other football clubs and businesses. They'll seek whatever course of action open to them that is required to get the full amount. I can easily see Murray being dragged into this if there is a law allowing HMRC to collar him.

    I'd say there is a huge amount of borderline tax avoidance/evasion type deals going on in football and this is only the start of HMRC getting proper compliance from this multi billion pound industry.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    Rangers in this transfer window is more like Comedy Central

    I thought it would be hard for them to surpass the shambles that was the last transfer window but they are sure making a big effort to top it.
    Can anyone translate this and see why Jorge Claros was the latest to reject Rangers?

    La directiva del Motagua acaba de confirmar esta mañana que el mediocampista hondureño Jorge Claros no se quedará en el Rangers de Escocia.

    En la página web del equipo aducen que fue por "problemas" internos en el club escocés.

    Claros estuvo por dos semanas realizando una prueba con el campeón de la Premier League de Escocia y ya se hacía venir esta decisión.

    El volante catracho participó en dos partidos amistosos a puerta cerrada y lo hizo bien jugando los 90 minutos en cada uno, sin embargo, no logró quedarse.


    A crude translation seems to blame "internal problems" at the club for his wanting away, can anyone cast light on it?

    Google translate gives:

    The director of the Motagua just confirmed this morning that the Honduran midfielder Jorge Claros not stay at Rangers in Scotland.

    In the team's website claim that was for "problems" internal Scottish club.

    Was clear for two weeks conducting a trial with Premier League champions of Scotland and already made ​​the decision to come.

    Catracho midfielder took part in two friendly matches behind closed doors and did well playing 90 minutes in each, however, failed to stay.


    The Motagua official website says: "Internal problems, Glasgow Rangers will not be able to sign Jorge Claros."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Is Grant Holt not getting a game at Norwich?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭dartbhoy


    As expected a stroll in the park for Rangers who currently lead 3-0 against Hibs with about 15 minutes left.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    dartbhoy wrote: »
    As expected a stroll in the park for Rangers who currently lead 3-0 against Hibs with about 15 minutes left.

    And playing very well, Aluko and Edu running riot.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭dartbhoy


    TheBuilder wrote: »
    And playing very well, Aluko and Edu running riot.
    I expected Rangers to win handy enough today. Fenlon has his work cut out to keep this Hibs side in the SPL.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    TheBuilder wrote: »
    And playing very well, Aluko and Edu running riot.
    Hibs down to 10 men since the 70 mark.If Healy can score against em they must be even worse than I thought.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    TheBuilder wrote: »
    And playing very well, Aluko and Edu running riot.

    Stop. Lets not get carried away FFS.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
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    Stop. Lets not get carried away FFS.:D
    Its true.

    Back to 1 point but with celtic a game in hand. See how they respond.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Fair play to ye today lads.

    I think we are out of league race after that defeat:pac::pac:

    Back to 1 point so lets see how Celtic do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Game in hand is an away game to Hearts


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Back to 1 point it's going to be tough for Celtic when McCoist has Brozek up front to partner Jelavic! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheBuilder


    RoryMac wrote: »
    Back to 1 point it's going to be tough for Celtic when McCoist has Brozek up front to partner Jelavic! :)

    Hopefully he's as successful as the last few players we've scouted for you, Loovens, Commons etc..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    TheBuilder wrote: »
    Hopefully he's as successful as the last few players we've scouted for you, Loovens, Commons etc..

    Dont forget Paul Hartley who was driving for signing talks at Ibrox and turned his car around once he got a phone call that Celtic had a bid accepted, drove to CP and signed whatever we put in front of him!

    Did ye have the welcome wagon out that day? :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Talksport just said we GAZUMPED yous to bring the big Pole in :)

    Have to ask again, is Grant Holt not getting his game for Norwich?


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