Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12-Jan 2012 onwards

K-9 · 27-03-2012 12:41am

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How was it tongue in cheek? I'm sure he was serious when he said it. Considering the rumours of a bust up in the squad with certain players thinking certain other players aren't pulling their weight it's hardly surprising that Carroll if most likely one of them, especially with his off-field behaviour being common knowledge.

Plenty of strikers across the league come back for corners, nearly all the tall ones do.

It was the Sky Sports morning show or something similar? No? A jokey show not to be taken seriously.

The rumours started coming out recently, not 6 months ago when the league form was pretty on course for 4th.

Oh, and who was the other player?

Chucky the tree · 27-03-2012 12:59am

K-9 wrote: »

It was the Sky Sports morning show or something similar? No? A jokey show not to be taken seriously.

The rumours started coming out recently, not 6 months ago when the league form was pretty on course for 4th.

Oh, and who was the other player?

It's a light-hearted show but the answers still tell us a lot. Reina certainly thinks Carroll is the worst trainer on the team, now maybe he was just lying but I doubt it. I think Kess said the other person was Kuyt, but I'm not sure. Rumours about Carrolls off field antics have always been around, also we've all seen how poor his fitness was at the start of the season and how far behind he was.

K-9 · 27-03-2012 1:24am

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's a light-hearted show but the answers still tell us a lot. Reina certainly thinks Carroll is the worst trainer on the team, now maybe he was just lying but I doubt it. I think Kess said the other person was Kuyt, but I'm not sure. Rumours about Carrolls off field antics have always been around, also we've all seen how poor his fitness was at the start of the season and how far behind he was.

Grand, so who was the other player? You specifically mentioned another player in your post.

I'm not going to get into a debate over Saturday morning Soccer TV shows so can you specify this second player who has said Carroll is the worst trainer.

PS. This isn't about his off field rumours, the rumours You mentioned were specifically players moaning about on field performance.

Dublin_Gunner · 27-03-2012 1:25am

grohlisagod wrote: »

El Hadji Diouf and Charles Itandje. That is all.

I raise you Philip Deggen

joe123 · 27-03-2012 7:06am

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

I raise you Philip Deggen

Sean Dundee and Eric meijer say hello.

But Andy Carroll is still our worst transfer of all time. There's a difference in worst player and worst transfer.

Phoenix Park · 27-03-2012 8:53am

Paul Konchesky was worse than the above becasue he actually got a lot of game time therefore was in a position to do some serious damage! Overall Carroll is the worst taking money into account. The club should be doing everything they can behind closed doors to find a buyer around the 15 million mark for him this summer.

Daemonic · 27-03-2012 9:19am

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's a light-hearted show but the answers still tell us a lot. Reina certainly thinks Carroll is the worst trainer on the team, now maybe he was just lying but I doubt it. I think Kess said the other person was Kuyt, but I'm not sure. Rumours about Carrolls off field antics have always been around, also we've all seen how poor his fitness was at the start of the season and how far behind he was.

K-9 wrote: »

Grand, so who was the other player? You specifically mentioned another player in your post.

I'm not going to get into a debate over Saturday morning Soccer TV shows so can you specify this second player who has said Carroll is the worst trainer.

PS. This isn't about his off field rumours, the rumours You mentioned were specifically players moaning about on field performance.

It was Kuyt.

Gbear · 27-03-2012 10:28am

Phoenix Park wrote: »

Paul Konchesky was worse than the above becasue he actually got a lot of game time therefore was in a position to do some serious damage! Overall Carroll is the worst taking money into account. The club should be doing everything they can behind closed doors to find a buyer around the 15 million mark for him this summer.

I suppose the thing is with Andy, there's nothing wrong with buying a big, young, english CF. There was nothing innately wrong with the deal.

So that's why I take it this way. Dalglish wanted him and Commolli said "ok, leave it to me Kenny" and then proceeded to piss away £35m on him.
On the other hand, money is irrelevant when talking about the Konch, Poulsen etc, because they never should've been signed at any price. It wasn't like they were young unknowns.

I think whether we like it or not Carrol should play for the rest of the season. He has seemingly had a net positive effect on results.
In the long term, that he's capable of not being useless is irrelevant. We can't afford to waste such an important position on a player if he's not scoring.
The likes of Soldado, Rossi or any number of other players will score more and give more to the team.

If we're content to keep a £35m striker on the bench than that's where I want to see him for a few years. I think he'll ultimately prove a good player to have in the squad if he stays for a while. If Andy played at liverpool for 10 years and scored 15 or so goals per season for the rest of them, ultimately the memory of the price tag would fade.

Chucky the tree · 27-03-2012 10:57am

K-9 wrote: »

Grand, so who was the other player? You specifically mentioned another player in your post.

I'm not going to get into a debate over Saturday morning Soccer TV shows so can you specify this second player who has said Carroll is the worst trainer.

PS. This isn't about his off field rumours, the rumours You mentioned were specifically players moaning about on field performance.

I mentioned the other player already. The rumours I mentioned weren't about on field performance, they were about players not working hard enough in training and generally not being especially dedicated.

gafferino · 27-03-2012 11:13am

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How was it tongue in cheek? I'm sure he was serious when he said it. Considering the rumours of a bust up in the squad with certain players thinking certain other players aren't pulling their weight it's hardly surprising that Carroll if most likely one of them, especially with his off-field behaviour being common knowledge.

Whats this about a bust up? Havent heard anything about this.

Chucky the tree · 27-03-2012 11:15am

gafferino wrote: »

Whats this about a bust up? Havent heard anything about this.

Supposedly some player aren't pulling their weight and other players aren't happy about it and have said it to Kenny. Names of the players haven't been said though.

opr · 27-03-2012 12:21pm

Jayob10 wrote: »

Downing is a good player, he is a very fine player in fact. The problem is his price tag, every man and his dog knows we could have done better for 20million.

The proof was in the research with Downing though. He played well in a no pressure situation with Villa.
He offers zero goal threat at the highest level for an attacking player and he also has not impressed (or indeed scored) in 30+ appearances at international level. Now for a scouting set up that prides itself on stats etc.. thats a pretty glaring stat there.

Maybe i'm missing a trick, but it just seems us fans can call it whether a player signing for us is a good idea. In the summer when Downing, Henderson and Adam were mentioned, the vast amount of fans expressed concern and we were proven right in essence. It wasn't a wide stretch of the imagination to claim it could end in tears was it?

You need to minimise your risk when spending big money. and you certainly need to improve your first XI at the very minimum.

All the talk from Kenny is guff in the last week or so. One minute the squad is vastly better. Now we are tired. Which is it?

Good post, this is long but excellent article on the ideas of pressure.

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/03/stupid-football/

Thinking correctly under pressure seems completely different for different players. Some seem to relish and thrive under it but for others like Downing at some point the brain seems to shut down all cognitive thought at a certain pressure point.

Opr

tibor · 27-03-2012 12:51pm

Sappy404 · 27-03-2012 12:56pm

Jayob10 wrote: »

Downing is a good player, he is a very fine player in fact. The problem is his price tag, every man and his dog knows we could have done better for 20million.

The proof was in the research with Downing though. He played well in a no pressure situation with Villa.
He offers zero goal threat at the highest level for an attacking player and he also has not impressed (or indeed scored) in 30+ appearances at international level. Now for a scouting set up that prides itself on stats etc.. thats a pretty glaring stat there.

Maybe i'm missing a trick, but it just seems us fans can call it whether a player signing for us is a good idea. In the summer when Downing, Henderson and Adam were mentioned, the vast amount of fans expressed concern and we were proven right in essence. It wasn't a wide stretch of the imagination to claim it could end in tears was it?

You need to minimise your risk when spending big money. and you certainly need to improve your first XI at the very minimum.

All the talk from Kenny is guff in the last week or so. One minute the squad is vastly better. Now we are tired. Which is it?

Downing showed enough at Villa to justify our interest. Perhaps not for £20m, but we haven't had a strong left winger in years. And He's had more than one Man of the Match performance for England.

Adam was playing very well alongside Lucas before his injury. He only cost £6m. I wouldn't sell him. Mind you I wouldn't play him at the moment either. He'll be a squad player next season. I don't think anyone will have too many complaints about that.

Henderson has shown enough at Sunderland and at Liverpool to justify his move I think. At £16m-£20m, he'll prove worth it in time. I can see why many want to see an immediate improvement in the team for that kind of money though.

The problem isn't that Dalglish & Comolli didn't listen to the fans. The idea that we collectively know better is frankly ridiculous. The problem is how these players were used once at the club. Yesterday's Anfield Wrap podcast put it very well: these players were transplanted into the Liverpool team rather than integrated into it. We started all of our new signings (barring Doni) in the first match and it was obvious there were problems. We continued to play them from the start in most games and we ran out of ideas pretty quickly in most of them.

None of the transfers individually were mistakes, in my opinion. Perhaps for the money we could have done better - improved the first team rather than the squad. The problem is they were all dropped straight into the first team together and were expected to perform to the level we expect from Kenny's Liverpool, at the end of last season and from his prior managerial reign. The problem was it was too much, too soon, and when you factor in the sale of Meireles, the Suarez ban, the Lucas injury, the weight of expectation turning into a burden fairly quickly and the frustrations with the poor finishing, you start to get a clearer picture of why we are where we are.

missingtime · 27-03-2012 12:58pm

opr wrote: »

Good post, this is long but excellent article on the ideas of pressure.

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/03/stupid-football/

Thinking correctly under pressure seems completely different for different players. Some seem to relish and thrive under it but for others like Downing at some point the brain seems to shut down all cognitive thought at a certain pressure point.

Opr

Very interesting article that.

One thing that I dont understand about Kenny is that if he's worked in a team with players who were both game intelligent and proper players, why is he signing players who are not game intelligent.

He goes on about how maxi is a very intelligent player but then never plays him?

flanzer · 27-03-2012 1:09pm

gafferino wrote: »

Whats this about a bust up? Havent heard anything about this.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Supposedly some player aren't pulling their weight and other players aren't happy about it and have said it to Kenny. Names of the players haven't been said though.

Aldo may have called it here:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-columnists/john-aldridge-column/2012/03/27/john-aldridge-whatever-happened-to-craig-bellamy-100252-30631002/

EXACTLY what has happened to Craig Bellamy?

The last time I clapped on eyes on him was when he left the pitch at Sunderland still looking full of running.

Since then he has been nowhere to be seen – and we’ve had precious little information about why he’s not been involved in the last four matches.

People are starting to put two and two together now and making five. There are conspiracy theories and people suggesting that Craig must have had a bust-up with Kenny.

That could all be avoided just by telling us whether he’s injured and when we might see him back in a first team squad.

We desperately could have done with Craig Bellamy on the bench on Saturday.

Or at least an indication as to when we might see him back in action again

Bellamy is one of only a couple of players who looks committed and puts in a good shift. Not a lot of former Liverpool players are critical of Kenny. This is the most critical any former player has been.

It's bad form from Kenny too. The fans have grown to love Bellamy and his attitude

Kess73 · 27-03-2012 1:10pm

Sappy404 wrote: »

Downing showed enough at Villa to justify our interest. Perhaps not for £20m, but we haven't had a strong left winger in years. And He's had more than one Man of the Match performance for England.

Adam was playing very well alongside Lucas before his injury. He only cost £6m. I wouldn't sell him. Mind you I wouldn't play him at the moment either. He'll be a squad player next season. I don't think anyone will have too many complaints about that.

Henderson has shown enough at Sunderland and at Liverpool to justify his move I think. At £16m-£20m, he'll prove worth it in time. I can see why many want to see an immediate improvement in the team for that kind of money though.

The problem isn't that Dalglish & Comolli didn't listen to the fans. The idea that we collectively know better is frankly ridiculous. The problem is how these players were used once at the club. Yesterday's Anfield Wrap podcast put it very well: these players were transplanted into the Liverpool team rather than integrated into it. We started all of our new signings (barring Doni) in the first match and it was obvious there were problems. We continued to play them from the start in most games and we ran out of ideas pretty quickly in most of them.

None of the transfers individually were mistakes, in my opinion. Perhaps for the money we could have done better - improved the first team rather than the squad. The problem is they were all dropped straight into the first team together and were expected to perform to the level we expect from Kenny's Liverpool, at the end of last season and from his prior managerial reign. The problem was it was too much, too soon, and when you factor in the sale of Meireles, the Suarez ban, the Lucas injury, the weight of expectation turning into a burden fairly quickly and the frustrations with the poor finishing, you start to get a clearer picture of why we are where we are.

Have noticed that expression and variations of it popping up a lot in recent season on one fansite or another and by supporters of many clubs.

To me it is a handy little phrase that gives underperforming players sopme kind of excuse for their non performances.

The days of "integrating" players into a club are pretty much gone when it comes to new signings, especially big money signings.

Most big money signings at most clubs go straight into the first team. So pretty much every club "transplants" their signings rather than "integrating" them. So on the basis of that excuse logic, pretty much every signing that is put straight into a first team should struggle as they did not get time to be eased into the club and team.

The one pattern that is there under Kenny, Hodgson, Rafa, and Ged (just to use our most recent crop of managers) is that the British/Irish players who were either big name or big money have had a pretty big fail rate at the club. A few came good, but more have not done well and got moved on quickly than succeeded. The club just does not have a good record over the past decade and a half with buying British/Irish players, especially when one looks at the money the club pumps into getting such players..

Leiva · 27-03-2012 1:11pm

I DO ....

Leiva · 27-03-2012 1:20pm

Kess73 wrote: »

The days of "integrating" players into a club are pretty much gone when it comes to new signings, especially big money signings.

.

^^THIS X 1000^^

Downing was always going straight into the first team.

Henderson should have been introduced to the first team over a longer period , cause his confidence will/has (imo) got a bit of a battering as the crowd hasnt exactly been cheering his name .

Adam on the other hand should never have been a starter . If selling Raul or letting Aqua go was because Adam was seen as a sufficient replacement then i am sorry that was madness.

Enrique was going to be a starter and the only one who has taken up their position like a duck to water .

Leiva · 27-03-2012 1:50pm

German Regionalliga Nord side Magdeburg are having a woeful campaign in one of the regional leagues that makes up the fourth division in Germany. After 25 matches, they are rock bottom of 18 teams with 20 points and have scored just 16 goals, 11 less than Energie Cottbus II, who are second bottom.
Despite their woeful recent form, Magdeburg have failed to score in their last five games, they could still beat the dreaded drop as they are just two points off the relegation zone.
As a result, their fans decided to try something a little different, handing out arrows to their fans ahead of the match with BAK ’07 on Sunday to literally show the players where the goal is.
A banner was also made titled “we will show you where the goal is” but despite finally scoring, Magdeburg still went down to a 2-1 defeat.

kevohmsford · 27-03-2012 1:51pm

That is hilarious. Don't think it would go down too well with the Liverpool players though

K-9 · 27-03-2012 1:55pm

I think the stat was 6 of the starters against Sunderland in August had something like 34 Liverpool league appearances between them.

Its nearly April now though and I don't see much improvement or more cohesion.

K-9 · 27-03-2012 1:59pm

opr wrote: »

Good post, this is long but excellent article on the ideas of pressure.

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/03/stupid-football/

Thinking correctly under pressure seems completely different for different players. Some seem to relish and thrive under it but for others like Downing at some point the brain seems to shut down all cognitive thought at a certain pressure point.

Opr

Only 2 words needed, Headless Chickens.

Kess73 · 27-03-2012 2:02pm

mixednuts wrote: »

Haha that's brilliant.:)

Sappy404 · 27-03-2012 2:04pm

Kess73 wrote: »

Have noticed that expression and variations of it popping up a lot in recent season on one fansite or another and by supporters of many clubs.

To me it is a handy little phrase that gives underperforming players sopme kind of excuse for their non performances.

The days of "integrating" players into a club are pretty much gone when it comes to new signings, especially big money signings.

Most big money signings at most clubs go straight into the first team. So pretty much every club "transplants" their signings rather than "integrating" them. So on the basis of that excuse logic, pretty much every signing that is put straight into a first team should struggle as they did not get time to be eased into the club and team.

The one pattern that is there under Kenny, Hodgson, Rafa, and Ged (just to use our most recent crop of managers) is that the British/Irish players who were either big name or big money have had a pretty big fail rate at the club. A few came good, but more have not done well and got moved on quickly than succeeded. The club just does not have a good record over the past decade and a half with buying British/Irish players, especially when one looks at the money the club pumps into getting such players..

I think it's a bit much to expect so many first-team changes to have no effect on the performances, is all. For the money spent, I can understand why the first team should be improving, but throwing them all in together is not going to work.

I have more of a problem with how the the new players were being used all at once than with the signing of the players themselves. I'm not using that as an all-purpose excuse for poor performances from these players - obviously I expect them to work hard and keep their heads up regardless which they've all failed to do at various points, and Downing has been especially guilty in that regard - but there were better ways to use and integrate these players than we've seen, and the season overall could have been better if their deployment as a group was more gradual.

mixednuts wrote: »

^^THIS X 1000^^

Downing was always going straight into the first team.

Henderson should have been introduced to the first team over a longer period , cause his confidence will/has (imo) got a bit of a battering as the crowd hasnt exactly been cheering his name .

Adam on the other hand should never have been a starter . If selling Raul or letting Aqua go was because Adam was seen as a sufficient replacement then i am sorry that was madness.

Enrique was going to be a starter and the only one who has taken up their position like a duck to water .

So you agree that any player we sign should go straight into the first team, but that Henderson should have been integrated slowly? I can only assume you're saying we shouldn't have signed him at all?

missingtime · 27-03-2012 2:11pm

mixednuts wrote: »

Operation Anfield Exercise.

Leiva · 27-03-2012 2:14pm

missingtime wrote: »

Operation Anfield Exercise.

LOL .

Ahh it all makes sense now !

Jayob10 · 27-03-2012 2:22pm

Kess73 wrote: »

Have noticed that expression and variations of it popping up a lot in recent season on one fansite or another and by supporters of many clubs.

To me it is a handy little phrase that gives underperforming players sopme kind of excuse for their non performances.

The days of "integrating" players into a club are pretty much gone when it comes to new signings, especially big money signings.

Most big money signings at most clubs go straight into the first team. So pretty much every club "transplants" their signings rather than "integrating" them. So on the basis of that excuse logic, pretty much every signing that is put straight into a first team should struggle as they did not get time to be eased into the club and team.

The one pattern that is there under Kenny, Hodgson, Rafa, and Ged (just to use our most recent crop of managers) is that the British/Irish players who were either big name or big money have had a pretty big fail rate at the club. A few came good, but more have not done well and got moved on quickly than succeeded. The club just does not have a good record over the past decade and a half with buying British/Irish players, especially when one looks at the money the club pumps into getting such players..

Spot on, seems like alot of buzz words being thrown about to explain lacklustre performances of the new signings.

Its really pretty simple. When you spend so much on players indiividually you better be sure that they are going to improve your First XI.

Otherwise scrutiny and criticism is going to be inevitable.

opr · 27-03-2012 2:45pm

missingtime wrote: »

Very interesting article that.

One thing that I dont understand about Kenny is that if he's worked in a team with players who were both game intelligent and proper players, why is he signing players who are not game intelligent.

He goes on about how maxi is a very intelligent player but then never plays him?

Yeah agreed I think it's a really interesting subject. I don't think it's uniquely a football thing. In all walks of life people have different attributes, intelligence and pressure points in certain situations whether that is in work life, chatting up a girl or a whole host of different situations.

The thing with it in a footballing sense is that I think it's down to manager to be able to break down those different things and apply it to each player. Kenny seems to be of the opinion that every player should be able to go out and influence a game as they see best. That brings its own pressure which maybe some players struggle with. The manager should also be finding the position a player will best influence the game.

If I was to take some of our players for instance. Gerrard is immense under pressure a player who thrives in situations like Istanbul. He has a game inteliigence but it's one which thinks only about how we can score goals. Never thinking about how tactically what he does influences us defensively or as an overall team. That isn't a bad thing but as Benitez said in a very recent interview " You need to manage Gerrard". So you take those responsibilities away from him as a player by playing him further forward. Do this and you can basically just tell Gerrard go and play son.

Lucas as a CM you can just tell him to go and play son. That kid tells pressure to go **** itself. Getting booed by his own fans, slated right and left and he kept plugging. The other side of that's I think that Rafa would have given him more of a defined role to help him come out on the other side that as a player now he can be just told go play. In regards position I don't believe for one minute I could play him behind the striker like Gerrard and he would have nearly the same kind of impact as Stevie. I think Lucas would understand the role but he would lack Gerrard's immense physical/technical attributes.

Downing is different in that he seems to wilt under pressure. He needs more instruction. I don't think he has a particularly bad footballing intellgence ala Babel but the pressure just seems to make him melt. You need to find ways to ease that pressure on him. A more defined role. Someone who can help him use his footballing ability. I don't think Downing is a bad player just not a guy who can be told go and express himself. Maybe with a little more confidence and less pressure over time he can be given more freedom.

Intelligent players certainly should come near top of the list Kenny should be buying based on. The other thing that stands out most along with it for me in regards Kenny philosophy is a players ability to cope under pressure. Playing for Liverpool but especially with the kind of freedom Kenny allows players it's a key attribute needed. Thing is it's a hard one to measure.

Opr

Leiva · 27-03-2012 3:45pm

Well fück me ....

Liverpool midfielder Joe Cole, currently out on loan to Lille, has impressed so much in the French Ligue 1 during his time there this season that he has caught the eye of mega-rich club of the capital, Paris St-Germain.

The Qatar-owned club are, according to reports in France today, prepared to offer the Reds £5million for Cole, who was signed on a free transfer from Chelsea at the beginning of the 2010/11 season by former Liverpool coach Roy Hodgson.

PSG are now managed by former Chelsea boss Carlo Ancelotti, but they could face competition for his signature from Lille, where Cole is thought to feel settled.

Cole is thought to be on wages of around £120,000 a week and, despite impressing this season in France, not expected to return to Merseyside and be part of Kenny Dalglish‘s plans this summer.

Cole’s contract with Liverpool runs out in 2014.

£15mil and it's a deal

Glico Man · 27-03-2012 3:50pm

mixednuts wrote: »

Well fück me ....

£15mil and it's a deal

PSG: Gameiro for Cole plus moolah
Lille: Hazard for Cole plus money

Your move frenchies

Gbear · 27-03-2012 3:51pm

missingtime wrote: »

Very interesting article that.

One thing that I dont understand about Kenny is that if he's worked in a team with players who were both game intelligent and proper players, why is he signing players who are not game intelligent.

He goes on about how maxi is a very intelligent player but then never plays him?

If Dalglish is working towards a long term target than he may feel that playing players who won't be here next season and by and large aren't in our plans, even if it would improve our results now, is a waste of time and, in the long term, giving game time to our unfortunately thick new recruits is better.

Crash Bang Wall · 27-03-2012 3:51pm

I would bite their hand off for £5m

kevohmsford · 27-03-2012 3:54pm

I think just getting Cole and Aquilani off the wage bill at the moment will be a big plus and will free up places for quality replacements, I hope. Even if we get 5 million for Cole if would make the loss on Aquilani's fee easier.

Leiva · 27-03-2012 3:59pm

Sappy404 wrote: »

So you agree that any player we sign should go straight into the first team, but that Henderson should have been integrated slowly? I can only assume you're saying we shouldn't have signed him at all?

No .
But I dont think I'm alone when I say I'm surprised at how much he has started games . I had him down at the start of the season to be coming off the bench rather than starting .

missingtime · 27-03-2012 4:02pm

Gbear wrote: »

If Dalglish is working towards a long term target than he may feel that playing players who won't be here next season and by and large aren't in our plans, even if it would improve our results now, is a waste of time and, in the long term, giving game time to our unfortunately thick new recruits is better.

Thats a fair, but frustrating point. I mean I'd be happy for someone like Shelvey or Sterling to get some game time in Maxi's place but it appears he prefers Carroll and Adam to run around, fall over and/or bounce off people.

amiable · 27-03-2012 4:03pm

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/jose-enrique-on-lfc-progress

Jose Enrique believes Liverpool have made great strides this season - and claims our current league position does not reflect the potential within the squad.

The Reds have excelled in knockout competitions this term, with the Carling Cup already in the cabinet and an FA Cup semi-final just over two weeks away.

Enrique thinks this is proof of the progress being made at Anfield.

"In the cups we are doing well but in the league I think we deserve more than where we are now but the truth is we are in seventh position," he told Liverpoolfc.tv. "We have played good football in many games but against Wigan (on Saturday) we didn't deserve to win.

"This team is in production. The owners have signed young players. I think we have a really good squad already but of course we have to improve - everyone.

"The manager takes pressure for us and of course that is good. But the truth is, when we make mistakes or have a bad game, we know where the mistakes come from. Who plays the games? The players. Who has to win them? The players too.

"The players are frustrated just the same (as the fans)."

Enrique claims his desire to improve results is partly attributable to the debt he feels he owes Kenny Dalglish.

"I am really grateful to him," said the 26-year-old. "Of course I want to do my best for the team and for Liverpool first, but also for the manager because he signed me.

"The truth is Liverpool went many years without winning something and already we have one cup and we are playing for another one."

murpho999 · 27-03-2012 4:06pm

Why would Ancelotti who got rid of Cole at Chelsea suddenly want him at PSG?

K-9 · 27-03-2012 4:09pm

kevohmsford wrote: »

I think just getting Cole and Aquilani off the wage bill at the moment will be a big plus and will free up places for quality replacements, I hope. Even if we get 5 million for Cole if would make the loss on Aquilani's fee easier.

Accounts wise €6 Million or whatever the fee is with Aquilani shouldn't leave much to write down on him, he's "here" 3 years come the Summer, plus there would have been a contribution towards his wages from Juventus and Milan.

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