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Formula 1 2014: General Discussion Thread

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    #3302
    mickdw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,280 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I find it hard to believe that any engineer would certify it fit for the track if it wasn't a suitable repair. If they certified a botched fix and that went on to kill the driver, they would be jailed.
    I'm going with the theory that it just needed stiffening to improve handling stability and was never in danger of breaking.
    Why would an engineer put their head on the block for a dying team. They simply wouldn't.


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    #3303
    Scotty #
    Registered Users Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Ghost Train wrote: »
    Horner has announced their line up as Dani and Danial

    Alonso and Vettel haven't officially said who they'll be with yet
    I'll be very disappointed if the (probably) best F1 driver in F1 today is not actually in F1. McLaren is really his only option at this stage unless they buy out Massa or a totally new team is coming that we don't know about yet.

    RedBull have slipped up here big time in my opinion, if Alonso was available and they didn't sign him. I know they like to stick to their young driver programme but missed opportunity I think.


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    #3304
    Infoanon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,624 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    mickdw wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe that any engineer would certify it fit for the track if it wasn't a suitable repair. If they certified a botched fix and that went on to kill the driver, they would be jailed.
    I'm going with the theory that it just needed stiffening to improve handling stability and was never in danger of breaking.
    Why would an engineer put their head on the block for a dying team. They simply wouldn't.

    It would not be the first time this has happened in a financially struggling F1 team.

    HRT were 'racing' with parts well past their maximum mileage - though both drivers were made aware and were given the chance to withdraw.


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    #3305
    MaggotBrain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 433 ✭✭MaggotBrain


    Alonso gone to Honda yet??


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    #3306
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Infoanon wrote: »
    It would not be the first time this has happened in a financially struggling F1 team.

    HRT were 'racing' with parts well past their maximum mileage - though both drivers were made aware and were given the chance to withdraw.

    You would think that the FIA would have some safety standards about parts going beyond their work life.


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    #3307
    Cookie_Monster
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    I think Kamui was right to be a bit afraid of what might happen.

    it's not like they're able to go fast enough for it to matter :pac:

    seriously though if it's signed off by FIA fine, if not then it's a bit much and they should not have been allowed put the car on track at all.


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    #3308
    bbability
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭bbability


    It looks like Nico Hulkenberg retains his seat at Force India for 2015. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/racing/top-stories/Nico-Hulkenberg-to-continue-with-Force-India-in-2015-season/articleshow/44887082.cms


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    #3309
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    This is something I should know the answer to by now, but how is ERS deployed this year? Is it still manual deployment by the driver, or are particular circuits 'mapped' & it's automatically deployed (removed from the driver in other words)?


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    #3310
    mickdw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,280 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Myrddin wrote: »
    This is something I should know the answer to by now, but how is ERS deployed this year? Is it still manual deployment by the driver, or are particular circuits 'mapped' & it's automatically deployed (removed from the driver in other words)?

    There is no button to release extra energy like other years, is all on the accelerator pedal but obviously they have numerous modes which they can toggle through that define harvesting rates and I guess output.
    I don't think they are allowed to map the system in terms of setting up automatically for didn't tracks. I think it must be driver controlled.


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    #3311
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    mickdw wrote: »
    There is no button to release extra energy like other years, is all on the accelerator pedal but obviously they have numerous modes which they can toggle through that define harvesting rates and I guess output.
    I don't think they are allowed to map the system in terms of setting up automatically for didn't tracks. I think it must be driver controlled.

    I see, so if it's all done through the pedal & circuits can't be mapped for it...its operation must be controlled by specific engine maps (ERS deployment always ON / ERS harvesting mode ON deployment OFF etc etc)?


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    #3312
    mickdw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,280 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Myrddin wrote: »
    I see, so if it's all done through the pedal & circuits can't be mapped for it...its operation must be controlled by specific engine maps (ERS deployment always ON / ERS harvesting mode ON deployment OFF etc etc)?

    I believe they have various rates of harvesting and stored power deployment altered via steering wheel toggles.


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    #3313
    Myrddin
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    mickdw wrote: »
    I believe they have various rates of harvesting and stored power deployment altered via steering wheel toggles.

    As in ERS@50/60/70/80/90% deployment & similar for harvesting? How will all this play out when the radio bans on assistance tighten up next season?


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    #3314
    mickdw
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    Myrddin wrote: »
    As in ERS@50/60/70/80/90% deployment & similar for harvesting? How will all this play out when the radio bans on assistance tighten up next season?
    I'm sure it's more complex than we can imagine, they deploy some stored power to spin up the turbo to prevent lag etc so im certain there are 100s of variables at play.
    At the end of the day, im sure it's bundled for the drivers into understandable packages such as fuel saving, hammertime, engine saving or at least will be if radio instruction is banned.


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    #3315
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    mickdw wrote: »
    I'm sure it's more complex than we can imagine, they deploy some stored power to spin up the turbo to prevent lag etc so im certain there are 100s of variables at play.
    At the end of the day, im sure it's bundled for the drivers into understandable packages such as fuel saving, hammertime, engine saving or at least will be if radio instruction is banned.

    But within all of that, ERS is managed by modes on the steering wheel? Grand, cheers


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    #3316
    [Deleted User]
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    The complexity of harvesting is the main reason for the use of fly-by-wire braking this year, it's too complex to expect a driver to change brake balance, harvesting etc. before each corner and then predict how that change will affect the braking effect for the next corner. Moving the brake-bias interacts with how much harvesting will occur in the next braking zone as well.
    For fuel saving I assume there's a few different modes which will change at different tracks. Somewhere like Monaco with short acceleration zones and short braking zones will be different to somewhere like China or Canada. Hypothetically Canada with heavy braking and longish straights may lead to the ERS being deployed early in acceleration to allow better traction with less fuel use until later in the straights, obviously tuned for different engines.
    Then again I'm not sure how the KERS is most efficient at harvesting. Maybe the consistent braking somewhere like Monaco is actually the most efficient way to harvest rather than fewer bigger braking events.
    It's all very complicated. :P


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    #3317
    Infoanon
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    it's not like they're able to go fast enough for it to matter :pac:

    seriously though if it's signed off by FIA fine, if not then it's a bit much and they should not have been allowed put the car on track at all.

    FIA 'sign off ' the cars at the beginning of the weekend, the suspension was damaged during practice and the reality is that the team were the only ones aware of the spare parts shortage.

    Cars then get scrutineered again at the end of the race, except of course the car was retired due to brake issues....


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    #3318
    flazio
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    I thought the cars get scrutineered after quali when put into Parc Ferme?


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    #3319
    Going Strong
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    More problems for Caterham. The administrators won't allow the cars to leave the factory for Austin until some money turns up. Looks like they might not last the season.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/21/uk-motor-racing-caterham-idUKKCN0IA1UQ20141021?type=formulaOne


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    #3320
    Infoanon
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    Going Strong wrote: »
    More problems for Caterham. The administrators won't allow the cars to leave the factory for Austin until some money turns up. Looks like they might not last the season.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/21/uk-motor-racing-caterham-idUKKCN0IA1UQ20141021?type=formulaOne

    Was it not reported that the cars went to Germany to avoid this scenario ?


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    #3321
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    OSI wrote: »
    They can be randomly selected for scrutineering, but I don't think every car is. And I believe they only things checked are the likes of weight, wing heights etc

    This was the post qualy check at the Russian GP


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    #3322
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    PitLaneTalk @pitlanetalk · 1h 1 hour ago
    According to Autosprint, there are alarming bells coming from Maranello that the 2015 Ferrari could be slower than the current one.

    Oh my, Vettel might be having second thoughts.


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    #3323
    [Deleted User]
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    Impressive stuff from Ferrari. :P


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    #3324
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    If this is true, and it's a big IF, Ferrari are very much in trouble., but it's still very early yet.

    I wonder if Vettel is having second thoughts.


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    #3325
    smellslikeshoes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    Caterham press release.

    Sounds like some cluster****, hopefully it can be resolved but it doesn't look good.


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    #3326
    Killinator
    Registered Users Posts: 3,491 ✭✭✭Killinator


    Didn't see it posted already but according to SSN Mclaren's Sam Michael will be leaving at the end of the year.


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    #3327
    mickdw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,280 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Killinator wrote: »
    Didn't see it posted already but according to SSN Mclaren's Sam Michael will be leaving at the end of the year.

    Thats mclaren back to winning ways then.
    That fella is a disaster. Whenever he walks into a senior position in a team, they go backwards.


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    #3328
    Jordan 199
    Registered Users Posts: 11,683 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Blast from the past here: the six-wheeled Williams FW07D.

    image-fotoshowImage-75c8bf1d-37853.jpg

    Article about it here.


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    #3329
    [Deleted User]
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    mickdw wrote: »
    Thats mclaren back to winning ways then.
    That fella is a disaster. Whenever he walks into a senior position in a team, they go backwards.

    I'll never understand the logic in signing someone who resigned after presiding over Williams' worst ever start to a season. But that's just me.


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    #3330
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I wonder who they will get to replace him.

    Ross Brawns name to be mentioned in 3...2...1


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    #3331
    Going Strong
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    mickdw wrote: »
    Thats mclaren back to winning ways then.
    That fella is a disaster. Whenever he walks into a senior position in a team, they go backwards.

    And yet wasn't he in so much demand thanks to his race strategies at Jordan in 1998/99? He must have been doing something right.


    Re: Caterham, there's rumours now on Twitter that the doors are shut in Leafield this morning. Tomorrow is the freight deadline for getting the team to Austin so I don't think Caterham will be on the grid.


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