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What would make people stop voting for Fianna Fail?

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  • 23-03-2012 7:32pm
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    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭


    After Charlie, Bertie, P Flynn and all the rest, I presume there's still a cohort of people who'll vote FF no matter what. Would it take a child abuse scandal to get them to change? Sure that didn't even work with the catholic church. What will it take?


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    Biggins
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    Cash?


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    mikom
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    "Sup, I'm John and this is Edward, and together we are FFedward.


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    Guill
    Registered Users Posts: 3,331 ✭✭✭Guill


    Better options.


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    someuser905
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    it'll take a lot of old people to die


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    Chuck Stone
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    At this stage?

    Death.


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    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ...Or a bottle of "Kop the fcuk on!"


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    hondasam
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    I think FF are a dead party now, no one will vote for them again.


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    Celly Smunt
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    someuser905 wrote: »
    it'll take a lot of old people to die

    They're hanging on in for 2016.Coffin dodgers.


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    eth0
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    Who are they to vote for instead? FG/Labour are no better and the smaller parties don't seem to have any good plan to get out of the mess.

    If FF had been re-elected would they have done things much different to how the current crowd are doing it now? As far as I can tell they are just copying FF's policies everywhere except for a few small things


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    Daniel S
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    Sense.


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    GLaDOS
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    hondasam wrote: »
    I think FF are a dead party now, no one will vote for them again.
    Not a chance. You still have people working by the logic of "My father voted FF, and his father before him" etc.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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    admiralofthefleet
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    the disbandment of them


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    eth0
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    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Not a chance. You still have people working by the logic of "My father voted FF, and his father before him" etc.

    Strange. I don't know anyone who actually does this. or at least owns up to it


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    hondasam
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    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Not a chance. You still have people working by the logic of "My father voted FF, and his father before him" etc.

    There will always be some of that but I can't see them getting enough votes again to win an election, then again I should not rule it out either time is a great healer for some.
    Strange. I don't know anyone who actually does this. or at least owns up to it

    It's very common actually.


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    GLaDOS
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    eth0 wrote: »
    Strange. I don't know anyone who actually does this. or at least owns up to it
    I know people who would definitely have follow this, though they've been very quiet on the issue the last 3/4 years.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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    Agricola
    Registered Users Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    Baring a massive culture change, there will always be someone to vote FF. Lets see what state the country is in in 10 yrs time, after a decade of FG/Lab or some alternative. Assuming we'll still be in recession mode, the FF option mightnt seem so toxic. People have short memories.


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    galwayrush
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    A firing squad.


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    retalivity
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    Donegal is full of these clowns. Even though it was probably the county treated the worst through the celtic tiger years.

    It will take death of oul wans before they become insignificant. however, many will abandon the sinking ship long before then, and start up basically the same thing under a different name. The remaining muppets will just migrate to them then


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    pragmatic1
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    eth0 wrote: »
    Who are they to vote for instead? FG/Labour are no better and the smaller parties don't seem to have any good plan to get out of the mess.

    If FF had been re-elected would they have done things much different to how the current crowd are doing it now? As far as I can tell they are just copying FF's policies everywhere except for a few small things
    No FF are in a league of their own when it comes to running the country. We're now the most indebted country in the industrialised world thanks to that shower.


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    ejmaztec
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    They'll have a landslide victory in the next general election, because by that time we'll be all brainwashed into thinking it was all our fault, and nothing to do with them.


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    [Deleted User]
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    A full frontal lobotomy?


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    #23
    ilovesleep
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    Young people are emergrating with their votes :( Those votes are needed to dilute FFs chances of getting back into power.

    We need to get onto FG to get this changed. Ireland will always be home to all those that are leaving and they should be entitled to keep their vote. For a few years at least. Other countries have this option of allowing their emergrates a vote but no not Ireland. Parties are power hungry and all those that are leaving have more than a brain cell that would go towards fcuking out a party when they don't live up to some standards.

    Parties rely on pothole politics to get votes for national elections. Emergrates would not vote for potholes.

    Personality voting contest
    'Ah he's a nice chap. He turns up at all the funerals. I'll vote for him'.
    Politics is not a fcuking personality contest. Those who leave will not be treating it as such

    I know I didn't I answer your question OP but we need this - emergration voting.

    Either that or a mandatory license to vote but I doubt that option would go down well because of excuses like it's undemocratic.


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    johngalway
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    eth0 wrote: »
    Who are they to vote for instead? FG/Labour are no better and the smaller parties don't seem to have any good plan to get out of the mess.

    If FF had been re-elected would they have done things much different to how the current crowd are doing it now? As far as I can tell they are just copying FF's policies everywhere except for a few small things

    That's unfair.

    It's true some in FG have been corrupt and ejected from the FG party, the level of corruption in FF is higher in the order of magnitudes.

    I don't know about Labour.

    The "current crowd" have been put in a Governmental straight jacket thanks to the "previous crowds" pretty successful attempt at sinking the country. While the IMF/ECB (or whom ever) pay the piper then we will have to play that particular tune until we're able to stand on our own two feet again.

    If you want real pain and instability then go tell the IMF/ECB to PFO. 'Cos, we don't really need them................. Mm right.

    It is not a situation that can be magiced better over night. If you want to be angry, then be angry at those who are to blame not them trying to fix things.


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    mikemac1
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    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Not a chance. You still have people working by the logic of "My father voted FF, and his father before him" etc.

    All parties have these

    I'm a union man, my family always voted Labour and the lowest thing in the world is to cross a picket line

    And so on


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    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Even if it changed its name to the Socialist Hedonistic and Gay (SHAG) party, there are still eejits who would vote for it. Wannabe gombeens will always feel an affinity to actual ones.:):):)


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    #27
    St.Spodo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    There are still plenty of young people committed to the ideology of Fianna Fáil The Republican Party. People I've spoken to, although they wouldn't admit it, value the party and its history higher than the country's best interests. These people will always vote for Fianna Fáil because of the Civil War, independence, Lemass, modernization, and so on, all of which don't count for anything anymore.


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    #28
    nice_very
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    maybe if it was proved/understood by a tribunal, that cost more than 30,000 WEEKLY DOLE PAYMENTS that some major figures in the party had been involved in taking bribes/money/houses over the past 20 years.. that people might start to cop on...


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    LH Pathe
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    Remember that footage of t'ould wan on the news, wailing, absolutely ballin cryin at the notion some one else might be in power. What an old stickler. they might have to be phased out


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    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    A viable alternative I guess....

    FF & FG voters have not only been raised to vote for their parties no matter what, but also to vote against the opposition no matter what. My Dad is like that; FF voter who hates FG, no matter what happens. The alternatives we have then are Labor who aren't seen as much more than a party who helps get others into powers and does nothing, SF who are all still tainted by the Northern Troubles (no matter how much they declare they've changed, some people will not accept that while the same faces are so prominent), and a tonne of independents who will never be able to achieve what they want to without joining one of the aforementioned parties.

    I think if you had a bunch of FF people break off and form a new party with the same ideals, familiar faces and a promise of less corruption, you'd see some people change over. But that's the best you can hope for if you're hoping for FF to die...


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    the purple tin
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    Even if Michéal Martin tried to reintroduce the "right of the first night" law the old party faithful would still vote FF.


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