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A new representative organisation?

  • 09-09-2012 11:59am
    #1
    L.Jenkins
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    In light of comments made in another active thread, who would support the idea of a break away representative organisation for RDF NCOs and privates?

    I've known for quite some time that the RDFRA have been orientated towards officers. If the idea were a runner, I'm sure we could have one NCO/Private from each unit where possible to spread the word, then look into mandating such an organisation.


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  • #2
    goldie fish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    Itzy wrote: »
    In light of comments made in another active thread, who would support the idea of a break away representative organisation for RDF NCOs and privates?

    I've known for quite some time that the RDFRA have been orientated towards officers. If the idea were a runner, I'm sure we could have one NCO/Private from each unit where possible to spread the word, then look into mandating such an organisation.

    This is how it works.
    The DoD decide having a rep org for other ranks is a good idea. It is legislated for, and formed.
    Not the other way round. To do it the other way round is known as mutiny.


  • #3
    ruserious
    Registered Users Posts: 138 ✭✭ruserious


    Even if it were possible, what would happen to ye is that the DoD down the line, in a cost saving measure, would decide there is no need for two DF other ranks and two DF officer associations and would merge them respectivly.
    The RDF would lose effective representation.
    Ye're stronger together. Why not get involved and get elected so you can influence RDFRA, rather than publicly calling for mutiny?


  • #4
    DipStick McSwindler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭DipStick McSwindler


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  • #5
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    IrishFeeney92 wrote: »
    Also, the Officers are the leaders of the Units, The Managers if you will. no point having a private on the board

    The officers are nothing in RDFRA. Being an officer doesn't grant you automatic right to be your units rep or to be on any committee in RDFRA.

    That said, when I was in the RDF I don't remember there ever being a vote for who our rep was....


  • #6
    BigDuffman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭BigDuffman


    ruserious wrote: »
    The RDF would lose effective representation.

    When have we ever had "effective representation". They've shown themselves up for what they are with silence for a long time, no changes, no info, no service. Then spout some sensationalist letter to enflame opinions and tensions.

    What the organization needs is a kick in the hole and a restructure in-line with the new beast that will emerge after re-org.


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  • #7
    Morpheus
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 2,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Morpheus


    IrishFeeney92 wrote: »
    Also, the Officers are the leaders of the Units, The Managers if you will. no point having a private on the board

    Thats utter tosh! There is no rank, thats the point of having a representative org for fe(k sake!!! anyone who goes there and lets someone pull rank on them in their guise as a rep - is a crap rep and needs replacement.

    If I had the time i would happily rep my own unit and get involved. I dont so im not.


  • #8
    concussion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭concussion


    BigDuffman wrote: »
    When have we ever had "effective representation". They've shown themselves up for what they are with silence for a long time, no changes, no info, no service. Then spout some sensationalist letter to enflame opinions and tensions.

    What the organization needs is a kick in the hole and a restructure in-line with the new beast that will emerge after re-org.

    RDFRA will be first up against the wall after the revolution re-org :p


  • #9
    ex_infantry man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭ex_infantry man


    look no union does what it says on the tin!! there happy to take your contributions but when it all boils down to it they just take the managements side e.g. siptu. waste of your hard earned cash if ya ask me and i talk from experience on this one!!!!


  • #10
    Jonty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Jonty


    IrishFeeney92 wrote: »
    Also, the Officers are the leaders of the Units, The Managers if you will. no point having a private on the board

    Spoken like an ossifer would say. I suppose there is no point in having a private on board - he might rock the boat with the other ossifers!

    He might be better educated than the ossifers, and they mightn't like that.

    His civvy job might mean he is a better manager than some of the ossifers, and they wouldn't like his approach or fresh thinking.

    Maybe you're right, the purpose of privates in RDFRA is just for collecting subscriptions.


  • #11
    westcoastboy
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭westcoastboy


    When I was in it, we had an
    RDF Officer,who licked h*le, to be one in the first place, but elected himself as unit rep...
    Totally incompetent in both scenarios,
    The RDFRA shouldn't have been started, rather the reserves should have looked for associate membership of Pdfra...IMO..
    RDFRA certainly doesn't represent the majority of reserves, look at the top dogs in it, middle to auld age officers...
    And I am speaking as a union rep for sixty two people
    the RDFRA fecked by not embracing the integrated concept..reserves would have been the nearest they could have been to the fulltimers, with new kit, doing the IT training, and PDF instructors...
    It was the nearest I became to doing real soldering....
    typical sandbag officers, they didn't back it...
    Glad I left the organisation
    And joined the other reserve...


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