Bus Éireann Compensation

bonerjams03 · 03-08-2014 12:54pm #1

Hello,

At 03:30 last night, waiting at the GPO/Penney's O'Connell Street, the 109N passed by a large group of people waiting to get on. The bus wasn't full or anything, he just didn't stop.

This was the last bus, so to get home I had to get a taxi - for which I will pursue a full refund.

I remember there being something formally written down about taxis and compensation, can anyone direct me to this?

Thanks

horseburger · 03-08-2014 1:25pm

IRcolm wrote: »

Hello,

At 03:30 last night, waiting at the GPO/Penney's O'Connell Street, the 109N passed by a large group of people waiting to get on. The bus wasn't full or anything, he just didn't stop.

This was the last bus, so to get home I had to get a taxi - for which I will pursue a full refund.

I remember there being something formally written down about taxis and compensation, can anyone direct me to this?

Thanks

hi

just to mention, if this ever happened again or if you are not able to get the 3.30am bus, rather than getting a taxi to either Ratoath, Dunshaughlin or Navan, you could get the aircoach Dublin City - Dublin Airport service from opposite the Gresham Hotel to the airport and then get the first 109A to Navan, from the airport at 5.20am

I suggest going to the airport as an alternative to waiting in town for the first 109, because on Sunday mornings, the first 109 to Navan from Dublin is at 8.30am

It involves a bit of waiting around, but I guess the the taxi would cost around 60 euros to Ratoath or Dunshaughlin but maybe near enough 80 euros to Navan?

The aircoach bus leaves every 30 minutes throughout the night from opposite the Gresham Hotel to the airport and is 7 euros single fare. it takes around 15 minutes to get to the airport

http://aircoach.ie/timetables/route-700-dublin-airport-dublin-city-centre

http://www.buseireann.ie/pdf/1403523305-109A.pdf

bonerjams03 · 03-08-2014 1:37pm

horseburger wrote: »

hi

just to mention, if this ever happened again or if you are not able to get the 3.30am bus, rather than getting a taxi to Navan, you could get the aircoach Dublin City - Dublin Airport service from opposite the Gresham Hotel to the airport and then get the first 109A to Navan, from the airport at 5.20am

I suggest going to the airport as an alternative to waiting in town for the first 109, because on Sunday mornings, the first 109 to Navan from Dublin is at 8.30am

It involves a bit of waiting around, but I guess the the taxi cost near enough 100 euros?

The aircoach bus leaves every 30 minutes throughout the night from opposite the Gresham Hotel to the airport and is 7 euros single fare. it takes around 15 minutes to get to the airport

http://aircoach.ie/timetables/route-700-dublin-airport-dublin-city-centre

http://www.buseireann.ie/pdf/1403523305-109A.pdf

I had considered that, but as far as I was concerned at the time, is that I had a right to be home without going via the airport and that it wasn't my money I was spending.

Just absolutely absurd that the bus would pass by its main stop.

horseburger · 03-08-2014 2:04pm

IRcolm wrote: »

I had considered that, but as far as I was concerned at the time, is that I had a right to be home without going via the airport and that it wasn't my money I was spending.

Just absolutely absurd that the bus would pass by its main stop.

I'm just wondering where did you read about the possibility of being compensated for its cost.

Did you know about the aircoach service? if that service wasn't available, if you had to get a taxi from town to the airport it would be around 20 euros.

Adding that to a fare on the 109A from the airport, to Ratoath, or Dunshaughlin would likely still be less expensive than a taxi from town to either location but certainly less expensive than a taxi from town to Navan, which I guess would be around 80 euros or more?

end of the road · 03-08-2014 2:37pm

i don't even know are you entitled to be compensated for this to be honest, still its bad form though, happened me once and i ended up having to go to the airport, frankly this is a reason why the bus station should be open and busses forced to pull in rather then just stoping at the outside stops, maybe if you get this bus again stick out the hand if you see it coming and see if he stops?

corktina · 03-08-2014 2:43pm

Hard to see how you'd get compensation as presumably no contract exists. What did everyone else at the stop do?

bonerjams03 · 03-08-2014 3:22pm

I did know about that airport, but it was half three in the morning. I can't be expected to go traipsing all over Dublin to get a bus when they haven't had the foresight to actually stop and pick people up.

I was going to Dunshaughlin, so it ended up about 45 - only would have been a small saving going via the airport for the sake of another 90 minutes.

There were shared taxis, some were full though, and I had to get cash - bottom line was me being stranded.

bonerjams03 · 03-08-2014 3:24pm

end of the road wrote: »

i don't even know are you entitled to be compensated for this to be honest, still its bad form though, happened me once and i ended up having to go to the airport, frankly this is a reason why the bus station should be open and busses forced to pull in rather then just stoping at the outside stops, maybe if you get this bus again stick out the hand if you see it coming and see if he stops?

There were people there - but this is the main stop for this route, moreso than Busáras, no one should have to anticipate the bus not stopping.

jaymcg91 · 03-08-2014 3:30pm

corktina wrote: »

Hard to see how you'd get compensation as presumably no contract exists. What did everyone else at the stop do?

This. It'd be difficult to claim with no prior contract in place. They technically aren't contractually or otherwise obliged to provide you with anything until you've paid the fare and you're on the bus.

Terrible service on their part, and I do feel for you!

end of the road · 03-08-2014 3:32pm

complain to Buseireann making sure you have as much details as possible, thats all you can do.

EireGreg · 03-08-2014 3:36pm

you wont get a dime, crazy that your even contemplating the idea that they will pay your fair, where did you get this information?

horseburger · 03-08-2014 5:01pm

IRcolm wrote: »

I did know about that airport, but it was half three in the morning. I can't be expected to go traipsing all over Dublin to get a bus when they haven't had the foresight to actually stop and pick people up.

I was going to Dunshaughlin, so it ended up about 45 - only would have been a small saving going via the airport for the sake of another 90 minutes.

There were shared taxis, some were full though, and I had to get cash - bottom line was me being stranded.

I understand what you are saying about the inconvenience of waiting that long at that time of night for a bus home, but I was just recommending the aircoach service because it runs throughout the night every 30 minutes from opposite the Gresham Hotel , and is 7 euros single fare, and takes just 15 minutes to get to the airport, and the first 109A bus to Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Navan and Kells from the airport is 5.20am, whereas on Sunday mornings, the first 109 from Bus Aras is 8.30am.

The cost of the two bus journeys would have been well under 45 euros.

foggy_lad · 03-08-2014 5:33pm

end of the road wrote: »

complain to Buseireann making sure you have as much details as possible, thats all you can do.

Also make a complaint to the NTA and see if they are interested in Bus Eireann not picking up passengers at stops.

Just one question though before you go sharpening any axes, Did any or many passengers signal properly to the driver in good time that they wanted to get that bus? At 3.30am there are large groups all over the city centre and the driver will not stop unless he gets a clear unambiguous signal from at least one of any such group.

corktina · 03-08-2014 6:01pm

...especially if they appear rowdy or inebriated presumably

horseburger · 03-08-2014 6:19pm

corktina wrote: »

...especially if they appear rowdy or inebriated presumably

It would be interesting to get confirmation as to what happened last night as to why it didn't stop, but the 109N and the Drogheda 101N, both usually stop at the Easons/Pennys area on O'Connell St, after they leave Bus Aras at 12.30am and 3.30am.

There's usually people waiting along Eason's doors but there's also usually some people waiting alongside the road side near one of the Dublin Bus stops to make sure and wave them down as they go by.

But I also think, judging from the times I got it - at least it's my impression - that the drivers usually know to check that there's people waiting along O'Connell St. Anytime I've got it, it has stopped along there at Easons/Pennys.

Hilly Bill · 03-08-2014 10:20pm

Did you put your hand out to signal for the bus to stop?

bonerjams03 · 28-08-2014 6:23pm

Apologies for the bump -but I just thought I would just post that I've received notice that I will be compensated for the taxi fare, so if you ever have a similar issue, don't despair and give up, send in an email, call - whatever!

There wasn't much to-and-fro here either, so they're not just giving this to me to get me off their case.

horseburger · 29-08-2014 12:01am

IRcolm wrote: »

Apologies for the bump -but I just thought I would just post that I've received notice that I will be compensated for the taxi fare, so if you ever have a similar issue, don't despair and give up, send in an email, call - whatever!

There wasn't much to-and-fro here either, so they're not just giving this to me to get me off their case.

Did you receive an explanation as to why it didn't stop?

bonerjams03 · 30-08-2014 9:22pm

horseburger wrote: »

Did you receive an explanation as to why it didn't stop?

No, initially they said that it had stopped and sold tickets, but others complained which meant that there was obviously some mix up on their end.

Muahahaha · 01-09-2014 10:34pm

IRcolm wrote: »

Apologies for the bump -but I just thought I would just post that I've received notice that I will be compensated for the taxi fare, so if you ever have a similar issue, don't despair and give up, send in an email, call - whatever!

There wasn't much to-and-fro here either, so they're not just giving this to me to get me off their case.

Well fair play to you for pursuing it, Ive been in your situation before and have felt like doing something about it but never bothered as it feels like youd be knocking your head against a brick wall. Glad to hear you got compensation as it must mean the company adequately investigated it and if the driver didnt stop on purpose then presumably he wont be doing so again knowing that compo would have to be paid out to passengers.

Now if only people could get similar results out of Dublin Bus for the times when they leave you in the sh1t....

horseburger · 02-09-2014 12:54am

Muahahaha wrote: »

Well fair play to you for pursuing it, Ive been in your situation before and have felt like doing something about it but never bothered as it feels like youd be knocking your head against a brick wall. Glad to hear you got compensation as it must mean the company adequately investigated it and if the driver didnt stop on purpose then presumably he wont be doing so again knowing that compo would have to be paid out to passengers.

Now if only people could get similar results out of Dublin Bus for the times when they leave you in the sh1t....

Might it be unlikely to get compensation from Dublin Bus, if the bus you intended to get does not stop - because of the way some of the same streets are covered on different bus routes.

If you miss one bus, another bus route may cover your destination.

For example if you are on O'Connell St, heading up towards Dame St or Camden St and miss the 16, or if it goes by without stopping because it's full, you can get the 9 nearby.

Similarly the 46a and 140 routes cover some of the same streets, as do the 7s and 4s, and also the 13s, 123s and 40s.

Muahahaha · 02-09-2014 3:41pm

Ah yeah I know and sure why would you even bother begging Dublin Bus for compensation, you'd get told where to go. If you got a taxi because a bus didnt stop they would just say that you should have waited for the next bus, thats the kind of pedantic arsing about that DB engage in when it comes to 'customer service'. Years back I knew of someone who tried to do the above and he went into the Conyham Road garage looking for a €6 taxi fare to be refunded and he got laughed out of the place.

I had a guest from the US stay with me recently, he was on his way to the city from my place to get another bus to the airport. He was running late but got to the Dublin Bus stop on time but when the bus came it didnt stop because he was the only person at the stop and he didnt know he had to put his hand out. The thing was though the stop he was standing at only has one bus route that actually stops at it. So even though he didnt put his hand out the driver still would have seen a tourist with a suitcase standing at a stop where only the route of his bus stops. But the driver left him stranded when on his way to the airport. He ended up back here in a panic whereby I just put him in a taxi to get him there with no more hassle. But his journey to the airport ended up costing him €20 rather than the €8.65 it should have if the driver had of just used his initiative and stopped to pick him up at the bus stop instead of putting his foot down in glee that he didnt stick his hand out.

The situation like above would seem like it deserves compensation if someone missed their flight or had to take a taxi but the Dublin Bus rules state that a passenger must put out their hand to signal a bus, even if they're standing at a stop where only that route stops. I can totally understand the rule of passengers flagging buses when multiple routes use the same bus stops but not when its the other way around. Its especially confusing for tourists and new users of the bus system who just get left stranded as a result. Drivers should really be using common sense when they see a tourist at a bus stop, its not like they came on their holkdays to Ireland to stand at bus stops and never get on one but thats the way the Dublin Bus rules sees it.

end of the road · 02-09-2014 3:52pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Ah yeah I know and sure why would you even bother begging Dublin Bus for compensation, you'd get told where to go. If you got a taxi because a bus didnt stop they would just say that you should have waited for the next bus, thats the kind of pedantic arsing about that DB engage in when it comes to 'customer service'. Years back I knew of someone who tried to do the above and he went into the Conyham Road garage looking for a €6 taxi fare to be refunded and he got laughed out of the place.

I had a guest from the US stay with me recently, he was on his way to the city from my place to get another bus to the airport. He was running late but got to the Dublin Bus stop on time but when the bus came it didnt stop because he was the only person at the stop and he didnt know he had to put his hand out. The thing was though the stop he was standing at only has one bus route that actually stops at it. So even though he didnt put his hand out the driver still would have seen a tourist with a suitcase standing at a stop where only the route of his bus stops. But the driver left him stranded when on his way to the airport. He ended up back here in a panic whereby I just put him in a taxi to get him there with no more hassle. But his journey to the airport ended up costing him €20 rather than the €8.65 it should have if the driver had of just used his initiative and stopped to pick him up at the bus stop instead of putting his foot down in glee that he didnt stick his hand out.

The situation like above would seem like it deserves compensation if someone missed their flight or had to take a taxi but the Dublin Bus rules state that a passenger must put out their hand to signal a bus, even if they're standing at a stop where only that route stops. I can totally understand the rule of passengers flagging buses when multiple routes use the same bus stops but not when its the other way around. Its especially confusing for tourists and new users of the bus system who just get left stranded as a result. Drivers should really be using common sense when they see a tourist at a bus stop, its not like they came on their holkdays to Ireland to stand at bus stops and never get on one but thats the way the Dublin Bus rules sees it.

its not up to drivers to "use common sense" if there are rules in place that someone has to flag down the bus to stop it. the rules should be changed but until then drivers are doing nothing wrong.

Tiger Mcilroy · 02-09-2014 4:15pm

end of the road wrote: »

its not up to drivers to "use common sense" if there are rules in place that someone has to flag down the bus to stop it. the rules should be changed but until then drivers are doing nothing wrong.

Are you serious?

Ive bolded the text below but it does not take a rocket scientist to be driving this route to figure out that if there is somebody stood at this stop with a case then they are obviously waiting on that particular bus. Jesus h christ.

Standing At The Bus Stop - One thing many people do not know is that when you are standing at the bus stop you need to signal to the driver, on his/her approach, that you wish to board the bus. Use your hand to signal to the driver but make sure to give him/her plenty of warning so they can safely stop the bus at the stop. The reason why you need to signal is that each bus stop is serviced by more than one bus route.

horseburger · 02-09-2014 4:54pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Ah yeah I know and sure why would you even bother begging Dublin Bus for compensation, you'd get told where to go. If you got a taxi because a bus didnt stop they would just say that you should have waited for the next bus, thats the kind of pedantic arsing about that DB engage in when it comes to 'customer service'. Years back I knew of someone who tried to do the above and he went into the Conyham Road garage looking for a €6 taxi fare to be refunded and he got laughed out of the place.

I had a guest from the US stay with me recently, he was on his way to the city from my place to get another bus to the airport. He was running late but got to the Dublin Bus stop on time but when the bus came it didnt stop because he was the only person at the stop and he didnt know he had to put his hand out. The thing was though the stop he was standing at only has one bus route that actually stops at it. So even though he didnt put his hand out the driver still would have seen a tourist with a suitcase standing at a stop where only the route of his bus stops. But the driver left him stranded when on his way to the airport. He ended up back here in a panic whereby I just put him in a taxi to get him there with no more hassle. But his journey to the airport ended up costing him €20 rather than the €8.65 it should have if the driver had of just used his initiative and stopped to pick him up at the bus stop instead of putting his foot down in glee that he didnt stick his hand out.

The situation like above would seem like it deserves compensation if someone missed their flight or had to take a taxi but the Dublin Bus rules state that a passenger must put out their hand to signal a bus, even if they're standing at a stop where only that route stops. I can totally understand the rule of passengers flagging buses when multiple routes use the same bus stops but not when its the other way around. Its especially confusing for tourists and new users of the bus system who just get left stranded as a result. Drivers should really be using common sense when they see a tourist at a bus stop, its not like they came on their holkdays to Ireland to stand at bus stops and never get on one but thats the way the Dublin Bus rules sees it.

Perhaps the reason the person above received compensation, is that they had a strong case to make, because the 3.30am 109N bus that didn't stop, was the last bus operating that night out towards Dunshaughlin.

IRcolm mentioned that other people who were waiting for that same bus, also contacted Bus Éireann about it not stopping, so that would have strengthened their complaint.

I'm not sure that bus users would receive compensation - if, for example, they were waiting at an intermediate stop during the day and the 109 bus did not stop for them, if they then opted to take a taxi, even though there were other later services from Dublin of that particular bus route.

end of the road · 02-09-2014 5:14pm

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

Are you serious?

Ive bolded the text below but it does not take a rocket scientist to be driving this route to figure out that if there is somebody stood at this stop with a case then they are obviously waiting on that particular bus. Jesus h christ.

Standing At The Bus Stop - One thing many people do not know is that when you are standing at the bus stop you need to signal to the driver, on his/her approach, that you wish to board the bus. Use your hand to signal to the driver but make sure to give him/her plenty of warning so they can safely stop the bus at the stop. The reason why you need to signal is that each bus stop is serviced by more than one bus route.

doesn't matter. rules are rules.

cdebru · 03-09-2014 5:56am

Muahahaha wrote: »

Ah yeah I know and sure why would you even bother begging Dublin Bus for compensation, you'd get told where to go. If you got a taxi because a bus didnt stop they would just say that you should have waited for the next bus, thats the kind of pedantic arsing about that DB engage in when it comes to 'customer service'. Years back I knew of someone who tried to do the above and he went into the Conyham Road garage looking for a €6 taxi fare to be refunded and he got laughed out of the place.

I had a guest from the US stay with me recently, he was on his way to the city from my place to get another bus to the airport. He was running late but got to the Dublin Bus stop on time but when the bus came it didnt stop because he was the only person at the stop and he didnt know he had to put his hand out. The thing was though the stop he was standing at only has one bus route that actually stops at it. So even though he didnt put his hand out the driver still would have seen a tourist with a suitcase standing at a stop where only the route of his bus stops. But the driver left him stranded when on his way to the airport. He ended up back here in a panic whereby I just put him in a taxi to get him there with no more hassle. But his journey to the airport ended up costing him €20 rather than the €8.65 it should have if the driver had of just used his initiative and stopped to pick him up at the bus stop instead of putting his foot down in glee that he didnt stick his hand out.

The situation like above would seem like it deserves compensation if someone missed their flight or had to take a taxi but the Dublin Bus rules state that a passenger must put out their hand to signal a bus, even if they're standing at a stop where only that route stops. I can totally understand the rule of passengers flagging buses when multiple routes use the same bus stops but not when its the other way around. Its especially confusing for tourists and new users of the bus system who just get left stranded as a result. Drivers should really be using common sense when they see a tourist at a bus stop, its not like they came on their holkdays to Ireland to stand at bus stops and never get on one but thats the way the Dublin Bus rules sees it.

People stand at bus stops for loads of different reasons not just to catch a bus, they stand there to read the timetable for a later journey, to wait to meet someone, while hailing a taxi, because it has a shelter, because they are waiting for a lift from someone else, because they are waiting to meet someone who will be arriving by bus etc etc.

If you don't hail the bus in good time, you shouldnt look for someone else to blame.

LXFlyer · 03-09-2014 10:50am

In relation to the Dublin Bus related post above, it is a pretty universal practice across the world to signal to a bus driver to stop.

Indeed, Dublin Bus also make this clear on their website:

http://dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/How-to-use-the-bus/Step-1/

Please put your hand out to tell the driver that you want him/her to stop so that you can get on the bus.

Tiger Mcilroy · 03-09-2014 12:10pm

lxflyer wrote: »

In relation to the Dublin Bus related post above, it is a pretty universal practice across the world to signal to a bus driver to stop.

Indeed, Dublin Bus also make this clear on their website:

http://dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/How-to-use-the-bus/Step-1/

So in the example used above a tourist from the US is expected to read all details on the dublin bus website?..do you realise how absurd this is.

LXFlyer · 03-09-2014 12:34pm

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

So in the example used above a tourist from the US is expected to read all details on the dublin bus website?..do you realise how absurd this is.

I quoted it as it points out the official position.

Irrespective of that, indicating to the bus driver that you want the bus to stop is actually a global phenomenon and not something specific to Dublin.

In fact I don't know anywhere that people don't do it.

I've used buses the world over and everywhere I've been people have always signalled for buses to stop.

Hence I do not buy this theory that people "don't know" this.

end of the road · 03-09-2014 12:45pm

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

So in the example used above a tourist from the US is expected to read all details on the dublin bus website?..do you realise how absurd this is.

it would be a good idea to do so yes

cdebru · 03-09-2014 1:06pm

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

So in the example used above a tourist from the US is expected to read all details on the dublin bus website?..do you realise how absurd this is.

No more absurd than expecting bus drivers to identify US tourists as they approach a stop and work out if they don't know the rule or are just standing close to a bus stop. Maybe buses should stop at every stop just in case, or maybe just when someone with plaid trousers is nearby.

foggy_lad · 03-09-2014 10:55pm

IRcolm wrote: »

No, initially they said that it had stopped and sold tickets, but others complained which meant that there was obviously some mix up on their end.

I wonder was this them just fobbing you off or was it the response they got from the driver when they asked why he didn't stop?

Tiger Mcilroy · 04-09-2014 1:18pm

cdebru wrote: »

No more absurd than expecting bus drivers to identify US tourists as they approach a stop and work out if they don't know the rule or are just standing close to a bus stop. Maybe buses should stop at every stop just in case, or maybe just when someone with plaid trousers is nearby.

In the example being talked about the tourist was stood at a stop with a suitcase on a route served by one bus that goes to the airport. Your talking about an imaginary scenario which is fundamentally different to what's being discussed to harvest thanks from the dublin bus sympathisers/drivers on this thread.

I know the "rules will be rules" line will be trotted out but with all due respect its crap and if drivers want to hide behind the rules to not provide a better service by applying common sense then criticism has to be expected.

LXFlyer · 04-09-2014 1:24pm

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

In the example being talked about the tourist was stood at a stop with a suitcase on a route served by one bus that goes to the airport. Your talking about an imaginary scenario which is fundamentally different to what's being discussed.

I know the "rules will be rules" line will be trotted out but with all due respect its crap and if drivers want to hide behind the rules to not provide a better service by applying common sense then criticism has to be expected.

Eh no - read the original post again.

I had a guest from the US stay with me recently, he was on his way to the city from my place to get another bus to the airport.

That could be anywhere in the city!

As I said above - putting your hand out to hail a bus is standard the world over.

Tiger Mcilroy · 04-09-2014 1:38pm

lxflyer wrote: »

Eh no - read the original post again.

That could be anywhere in the city!

As I said above - putting your hand out to hail a bus is standard the world over.

Your confused at which post im referring to.

Originally Posted by Muahahaha
I had a guest from the US stay with me recently, he was on his way to the city from my place to get another bus to the airport. He was running late but got to the Dublin Bus stop on time but when the bus came it didnt stop because he was the only person at the stop and he didnt know he had to put his hand out. The thing was though the stop he was standing at only has one bus route that actually stops at it. So even though he didnt put his hand out the driver still would have seen a tourist with a suitcase standing at a stop where only the route of his bus stops.

LXFlyer · 04-09-2014 1:45pm

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

Your confused at which post im referring to.

Originally Posted by Muahahaha
I had a guest from the US stay with me recently, he was on his way to the city from my place to get another bus to the airport. He was running late but got to the Dublin Bus stop on time but when the bus came it didnt stop because he was the only person at the stop and he didnt know he had to put his hand out. The thing was though the stop he was standing at only has one bus route that actually stops at it. So even though he didnt put his hand out the driver still would have seen a tourist with a suitcase standing at a stop where only the route of his bus stops.

No you're confused - he wasn't standing at a stop served by a bus to the airport as you suggested in post #34 . He was going to the city to catch to another bus to the airport, which means he could have been absolutely anywhere in the city.

The point I'm making is that regardless of where you are, you always put your hand out to hail a bus - that is standard the world over. I live on a section of route served by one route only, but I and everyone else along that section always hail the driver. People do stand at/around bus stops even when they don't actually want the bus - I've seen that frequently enough.

Bus drivers will in general slow down if they see someone at a stop, but if a person at a stop makes no move to indicate that they want the bus, then I don't see why they would stop.

end of the road · 04-09-2014 1:47pm

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

Your confused at which post im referring to.

Originally Posted by Muahahaha
I had a guest from the US stay with me recently, he was on his way to the city from my place to get another bus to the airport. He was running late but got to the Dublin Bus stop on time but when the bus came it didnt stop because he was the only person at the stop and he didnt know he had to put his hand out. The thing was though the stop he was standing at only has one bus route that actually stops at it. So even though he didnt put his hand out the driver still would have seen a tourist with a suitcase standing at a stop where only the route of his bus stops.

he's not. he's telling you putting out your hand to signal the bus to stop is done all over the world. whether it is or not i don't know, but thats how its done here in dublin. rules are rules. if stop bus want. hand out put

Tiger Mcilroy · 04-09-2014 2:08pm

lxflyer wrote: »

No you're confused - he wasn't standing at a stop served by a bus to the airport as you suggested in post #34 . He was going to the city to catch to another bus to the airport, which means he could have been absolutely anywhere in the city.

The point I'm making is that regardless of where you are, you always put your hand out to hail a bus - that is standard the world over. I live on a section of route served by one route only, but I and everyone else along that section always hail the driver. People do stand at/around bus stops even when they don't actually want the bus - I've seen that frequently enough.

Bus drivers will in general slow down if they see someone at a stop, but if a person at a stop makes no move to indicate that they want the bus, then I don't see why they would stop.

Take away the airport bit and my point remains the same, your aware of the "rule" this tourist clearly was not.

we are going round in circles and clearly not going to agree on this so lets move on.

cdebru · 04-09-2014 4:04pm

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

Take away the airport bit and my point remains the same, your aware of the "rule" this tourist clearly was not.

we are going round in circles and clearly not going to agree on this so lets move on.

Maybe we could take the North Korean example and appoint a personal minder to each visitor.

Or and this is completely off the wall but maybe people shouldn't assume that things work the same here as they do in their own country and they should make it their business to find out and not assume that everyone else will change the system to suit you.

People with suitcases regularly stand at bus stops all along the swords road, some are waiting for taxis, have got off a bus and are waiting for a lift , etc etc

Tiger Mcilroy · 04-09-2014 4:19pm

cdebru wrote: »

Maybe we could take the North Korean example and appoint a personal minder to each visitor.

Or and this is completely off the wall but maybe people shouldn't assume that things work the same here as they do in their own country and they should make it their business to find out and not assume that everyone else will change the system to suit you.

People with suitcases regularly stand at bus stops all along the swords road, some are waiting for taxis, have got off a bus and are waiting for a lift , etc etc

North korea?.. you seem a bit annoyed with my opinion and continue to try and introduce things to the discussion which are not relevant,Where did i propose changing the system?

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