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After Hours "Misogyny on boards" sticky...

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  • #202
    The Hill Billy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,798 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    Thanks folks. I've seen the RPs coming through. I'm sure the AH mods will take care of it as soon as they can.

    On the topic in general - if posts are reported as soon as they seen, chances are they will be dealt with promptly. Early reporting of posts has a couple of benefits - action is taken to prevent the problem poster for continuing in the same vein, this in turn can deter other posters from posting in a similar fashion, the end result being a tidier thread & ultimately a happier community.


  • #203
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Whether we like or not, any topic on these lines involving court verdicts, will inevitably have some folks scrutinising the characters of both parties involved. Some posters, almost always, invariably step over the line. :(


  • #204
    hullaballoo
    Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,750 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    The Ched Evans case is particularly difficult to manage from a moderator's perspective; I don't envy AH mods in having to deal with that. I'm glad nothing has come up about it in LD, but it has raised its head briefly in Radio.

    It's difficult to comment on any case where there seems to be conflicting reports all over the place. I think the media coverage of it, particularly by football pundits, is appalling. Truly appalling now.


  • #205
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Is it just me or are there a lot of first-time posters appearing in that thread? There's a serious whiff of re-reg off them.


  • #206
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Soft Falling Rain wrote: »
    I saw one bloke calling her an easy ride, and many throwing out the old chestnuts of "she woke up regretting what happened and cried rape" and claiming opportunism on her part because he's a pro player.

    When I say misogyny I'm not referring to people's misgivings over the verdict, I'm simply referring to the downright nastiness on display that they can't even mask as decent reasoning.

    Hmm actually that raises a question saying she is an "easy ride" might be a nasty judgmental thing to say but is it automatically misogynistic?
    If we take the judgement of the court as correct she did consent to having a one night stand with a random man (the friend), I've heard enough women say similar things to know that this isn't necessarily a misogynistic statement.

    The other stuff I agree is much more likely to be misogynistic but I think that this case is weird because there is so much other information out there coming from one side.

    I know this sounds like excusing blatent misogyny but the same way that I don't consider this a good case to highlight issues of alcohol and consent I also don't think responses to this are a good way of finding misogyny on Boards


  • #207
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Is it just me or are there a lot of first-time posters appearing in that thread? There's a serious whiff of re-reg off them.
    That seems to happen with threads where there is any element of conflict about anything to do with sex or with male-female relations. I report my suspicions of re-reg, and many of the new accounts disappear. I suspect that there is one very energetic serial re-reg.


  • #208
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    Hmm actually that raises a question saying she is an "easy ride" might be a nasty judgmental thing to say but is it automatically misogynistic?
    If we take the judgement of the court as correct she did consent to having a one night stand with a random man (the friend), I've heard enough women say similar things to know that this isn't necessarily a misogynistic statement.

    The other stuff I agree is much more likely to be misogynistic but I think that this case is weird because there is so much other information out there coming from one side.

    I know this sounds like excusing blatent misogyny but the same way that I don't consider this a good case to highlight issues of alcohol and consent I also don't think responses to this are a good way of finding misogyny on Boards

    Its a very bad example. Being drunk is not an excuse for any and all actions. There is a world of difference between being a bit tipsey and sleeping with someone then regretting it and being assaulted while passed out.

    We have campaigns aimed at men to 'not be that guy' but you cant tell women to be responsable without be called a victim blamer.


  • #209
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Its a very bad example. Being drunk is not an excuse for any and all actions. There is a world of difference between being a bit tipsey and sleeping with someone then regretting it and being assaulted while passed out.

    We have campaigns aimed at men to 'not be that guy' but you cant tell women to be responsable without be called a victim blamer.

    Listen I'm not saying that its not a nasty thing to say (because it is) and it all sounds like extremely scummy behaviour, I'm saying can you assume its misogynistic?

    I'm specifically talking about he first guy though
    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    If we take the judgement of the court as correct she did consent to having a one night stand with a random man (the friend),
    Can you say that that this is a victim blaming when the first man was acquitted?
    Potatoeman wrote: »
    There is a world of difference between being a bit tipsey and sleeping with someone then regretting it and being assaulted while passed out.

    AFAIK nobody on either side is claiming thats what happened though as there is apparently video evidence showing that this is not the case, the issue relates to was she too drunk for the men involved to have a reasonable belief she was of a sound state of mind.

    Its a messy case but I am trying to highlight that while some of the statements are nasty are they actually misogynistic or simply judgmental


  • #210
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    Listen I'm not saying that its not a nasty thing to say (because it is) and it all sounds like extremely scummy behaviour, I'm saying can you assume its misogynistic?

    I'm specifically talking about he first guy though

    Can you say that that this is a victim blaming when the first man was acquitted?



    AFAIK nobody on either side is claiming thats what happened though as there is apparently video evidence showing that this is not the case, the issue relates to was she too drunk for the men involved to have a reasonable belief she was of a sound state of mind.

    Its a messy case but I am trying to highlight that while some of the statements are nasty are they actually misogynistic or simply judgmental

    This would not be a good case as she seemed to be drunk but not passed out drunk. My point being that there is personal responsibility that needs to be pressed. If she got in a car drunk and drove not remembering is not an excuse.


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  • #211
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    This would not be a good case as she seemed to be drunk but not passed out drunk. My point being that there is personal responsibility that needs to be pressed. If she got in a car drunk and drove not remembering is not an excuse.

    Well nobody else would be involved then.

    If somebody knowingly let her drink drive while aware that she was full, would they be culpable?

    Or if a passenger is also in the car, are they at fault?

    Even those aren't that close as analogies, but your one is further out again.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #212
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I'm not sure how the last number of posts are feedback

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #213
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I have to agree with the OP really.. there's far too much "overreaction" generally on this site in recent times to anything that could be considered controversial or offensive. There's already plenty of valid rules and ways to deal with the trolls, re-regs and so on without adding more.

    Ultimately this is a discussion site and people are going to have differing views on things and really anyone who posts here should be ready for that and that discussions may get heated as people defend views they feel particularly strong/passionate about (within the bounds of the existing rules).

    Ultimately it's simply impossible to please everyone - but the response to that shouldn't be to stifle debate altogether so as to not (potentially) offend anyone which is where this site is heading by the way "sensitive" topics immediately get edited/locked or added to with a set of Mod warnings. Deal with idiots as necessary of course, but it's a complete overreaction otherwise.

    Frankly, if you can't handle/debate a different viewpoint without resorting to adolescent nonsense then you shouldn't post at all IMO, but attempting to derail or discredit that poster/position by resorting to "the big book of PC -isms" and crying foul is equally unacceptable.


  • #214
    Venus In Furs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭Venus In Furs


    It's weird the way "Don't make sweeping statements about women, based on a minority of women" is so problematic for some people. It's no different to "Don't make sweeping statements about men, based on some men" which is obviously a completely fair request.

    I don't know where "PC" is supposed to come into it. "Within the bounds of existing rules" - this is exactly what is being aimed for. And I love too the way it's the defensiveness, not the behaviour that leads to conflict = resorting to "adolescent nonsense". :)


  • #215
    Sugarmilk84
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2 ✭Sugarmilk84


    Venus In Furs wrote: »
    It's weird the way "Don't make sweeping statements about women, based on a minority of women" is so problematic for some people. It's no different to "Don't make sweeping statements about men, based on some men" which is obviously a completely fair request.

    I don't know where "PC" is supposed to come into it. "Within the bounds of existing rules" - this is exactly what is being aimed for. And I love too the way it's the defensiveness, not the behaviour that leads to conflict = resorting to "adolescent nonsense". :)

    That's a bit rich, this coming from the person throwing out insults in After Hours. The conversation was flowing just fine, everyone was playing by the rules in the marriage thread and then you begin throwing out insults. It ruins the thread for everyone because it becomes a snagging match and the discussion dies. You need to learn to accept that people will have opinions that differ from yours.


  • #216
    Mr E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,535 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Sugarmilk84 wrote: »
    That's a bit rich, this coming from the person throwing out insults in After Hours. The conversation was flowing just fine, everyone was playing by the rules in the marriage thread and then you begin throwing out insults. It ruins the thread for everyone because it becomes a snagging match and the discussion dies. You need to learn to accept that people will have opinions that differ from yours.

    Do you know what also ruins the thread and breaks conversation flow?

    You reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, reregistering, getting banned, posts deleted, etc. ad nauseum.

    Practice what you preach.

    Edit: Said muppet is also thanking this post with his new accounts. Shooting fish in a barrel.


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