Paddy Power Transphobic Ad,

wonderfulname · 20-02-2012 1:22am

Shakti wrote: »

Comparing women to horses in whatever vernacular, and treating Ladies Day at Cheltenham like a breeders fair is unacceptable no matter what the context full stop that is my position to be clear.

Maybe it's from being a culchie and a bit of a racing fanatic, but filly and mare would be words I hear quite frequently from women referring to other women, even themselves, granted most of them are in the racing or hunting scenes, but it is perfectly acceptable terminology and no malice should be understood of it. Also, Ladies Day is a bit of a self submitting breeders fair anyway but that's another conversation...

Shakti wrote: »

I do get your point and this is the main reason I even intoduced the topic to this forum, why is acceptable to treat people like this? we no longer consider it acceptable to treat other minorities in this way...

It's really a matter of time and perseverance, women, minority races and LGB people are all at various points in a process of becoming equal and accepted, so are trans people, just much further behind in it. Acceptable is relative though, and you'll notice one hell of a lot of people don't find this acceptable.

Shakti wrote: »

...and lets not forget the elephant in the room that is the systemic acceptability of the abuse of women and their rights and the almost pathological fear of the feminine.

Please elaborate, or is that off topic?

Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »

Also, in what since do you mean "breeder"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a derogatory term for a straight person?

In this context it means someone who breeds animals. Consider the topic at hand before making accusations...

Shakti · 20-02-2012 1:25am

I realise highlighting these issues isn't going to make me many friends or get me invited to any parties etc. but the vehemence to censor and erase on these pages is as good as any evidence I could ever argue.

I began to ask each time: "What's the worst that could happen to me if I tell this truth?" Unlike women in other countries, our breaking silence is unlikely to have us jailed, "disappeared" or run off the road at night. Our speaking out will irritate some people, get us called bitchy or hypersensitive and disrupt some dinner parties. And then our speaking out will permit other women to speak, until laws are changed and lives are saved and the world is altered forever.

Audre Lorde

unapologetically

apache · 20-02-2012 2:14am

this is the first time i saw that ad!
i am not offended by the piss taken out of me by degoratory comments towards me as a lesbian or a woman. i understand though i do have a acquired sense of humour! sure even lesbians here find the word lesbian offensive!

i don't post here anymore because everything is taken offence at and you dare not challenge a trans person or holy god will strike you down :rolleyes:

however even i found the ad a bit much towards trans people. but in saying that if it was a piss take about lesbians i would laugh. but thats me. the problem here is trans people take absolute offence at any little comment and when an add like this crops up which in my opinion is a bit out of order its a case of sighing and "here they go again" which really does yourself no favours. a classic example would be the no nonsense insurance ads. they are hilarious yet still offence was taken.

you should choose your wars wisely. battles are fought. wars are won.

deirdre_dub · 20-02-2012 2:22am

For those of you, friend and foe alike, who were wondering where I am . . .

I'm not getting drawn in. The "opinions" of some people around here about the non-existence of transphobia mean as much to me as the "opinions" of some straight folk about the non-existence of homophobia.

Those of you who respect me will know how I feel, and I thank you for your support and good wishes. Those of you who don't - I'm not going to waste my time defending my feelings or writing about painful experiences.

Shakti · 20-02-2012 2:39am

deirdre_dub wrote: »

For those of you, friend and foe alike, who were wondering where I am . . .

I'm not getting drawn in. The "opinions" of some people around here about the non-existence of transphobia mean as much to me as the "opinions" of some straight folk about the non-existence of homophobia.

Those of you who respect me will know how I feel, and I thank you for your support and good wishes. Those of you who don't - I'm not going to waste my time defending my feelings or writing about painful experiences.

I respect that Deirdre,
Just to say though before I was a member here I used to read these Boards and your posts and others like Links were a lot to do with why I joined up.

deirdre_dub · 20-02-2012 2:53am

Shakti wrote: »

I respect that Deirdre,
Just to say though before I was a member here I used to read these Boards and your posts and others like Links were a lot to do with why I joined up.

Like many, I miss Link's writings here. But I can completely understand where she is coming from. You cannot discuss transphobia with those who deny it.

Us trans people know it exists, we know its nature, we live with its shadow every day. The cis community can be broken up into three groups - those who also know that transphobia exists, those who deny it exists, and those who are open enough to be educatable. I don't see any people in that third category here.

So I don't need that kind of waste-of-time grief. What I do need is to see a strong trans community, and that is why I'm sticking around, to see what I can do to help bring that about.

wonderfulname · 20-02-2012 3:01am

Ah Deirdre, we're more than that, don't get cynical due to another one of these threads!

Beruthiel · 20-02-2012 9:58am

wonderfulname wrote: »

Maybe it's from being a culchie and a bit of a racing fanatic, but filly and mare would be words I hear quite frequently from women referring to other women, even themselves, granted most of them are in the racing or hunting scenes, but it is perfectly acceptable terminology and no malice should be understood of it.

So does that mean I'm a feminist nazi for pointing out that calling a woman a filly or mare is in fact, highly insulting?
I certainly see it as such.
I most definitely do not see it as acceptable terminology.
As for you hearing a woman referring to another in this fashion, ignorance is no excuse and does not make a thing acceptable. Some people don't engage their brains.

floggg · 20-02-2012 11:30am

I skipped over some of the comments do apologies if I'm repeating anybody. A couple of things though

1. I don't think a majority group can tell the minority they are being too sensitive if they take offense. A cis-gender person has never had to walk in the shoes of a trans person and experience all that goes with it. It's a bit hard therefore to tell the trans person that they aren't entitled to their reaction without knowing how the ad makes them feel, the vulnerabilities and insecurities it touches upon or the experiences it reflects.

Until you can see the ad from their perspective I don't think you can fairly judge their reaction.

2. I imagine trans people would find the ad highly offensive in that it implies that a trans woman is not the same or is different to a cis-woman. That's contrary to any sort of attitude of acceptance and equality.

3. I imagine the ad is further offensive from the perspective that it encourages people to "spot the trans woman" and single her out. Rather than focusing on equality and accordance it encourages us to highlight differences. In circumstances where trans people have been the victims of violent and often fatal abuse just for being perceived as different I think it's an offensive and dangerous game to play to encourage people to pick them out in this manner for amusement and ridicule.

4. If you replace the word "transgender woman" with "Jew" or "Protestant" I wonder people be so indifferent about it - especially in a society where Jews or Protestants routinely faced prejudice and intolerance. I would be surprised if people didnt see the offense caused in those circumstances quite clearly.

deirdre_dub · 20-02-2012 3:24pm

I phoned Paddy Power's Dublin office before lunch, and was in touch with a marketing and PR executive. At the time I phoned, there was a meeting in London about the ad. I gave them my email address, and I expect to be updated when there is news.

Apparently our long-suffering TENI national development worker, Vanessa Lacey, had quite a weekend fielding calls from upset people about this ad.

I would encourage anyone who believes this ad to be wrong to phone Paddy Power. Ask for the marketing department. The more the merrier - we want to get them to a place where they will never ever even think of doing something like this again. If they spend the day fielding calls from people they've hurt, directly or indirectly, they will shudder the next time an ad person presents them with a transphobic (or any other kind of phobic) ad.

The good news is that they have, apparently, received quite a number of calls about this. But, as I said, the more the merrier.

The number is 01 404 5900. Try and be polite and civil. And don't worry if it's too much for you to do - the person I was talking to sounded quite humbled by the response he was hearing to the ad.

deirdre_dub · 20-02-2012 6:04pm

The guy in Paddy Power did not get back to me, so I phoned him.

There are no plans to pull the ad.

He wasn't even able to tell me if Paddy Power are going to engage with the transgender community.

I've just been in touch with TENI - the issue is going to be discussed on Today FM at about 5:20pm.

Calleja · 20-02-2012 6:17pm

Another video under the same account is called "Paddy Power Blind Football - Most complained advert in 2010." Their use of 'most complained' implies (to me, at least) that they're using shock as a way of generating views/wider advisement; I don't think they care about the minority communities they're insulting (otherwise they would have learnt their lesson in 2010 with the blind community). It's getting them advertisement so they keep at it.

hots · 20-02-2012 6:32pm

Just thought I would throw my two cents in...

The ad is obviously deliberately offensive/shocking/'humourous'... It will gain views from it and imo is of the same inclination as the Not For Girls - Yorkie campaign. In the same breath I'm not sure either of these ad's are offensive enough (difficult to define) to be pulled really. They're quite tongue in cheek and don't incite hatred or anything as serious as that (imo imo imo)...

It's not the finest ad but it's appealing the a "laddish" audience, a majority of PP account holders...

Regards being offensive to women in general... perhaps, but no worse than any 'offensive' to men adverts http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/20/asa-oven-pride-cleared-of-sexism

All in all: offensive=yes, funny=not really, worthy of complaint/removal=not really, it's just poor distasteful humour.

wonderfulname · 20-02-2012 6:50pm

Beruthiel wrote: »

So does that mean I'm a feminist nazi for pointing out that calling a woman a filly or mare is in fact, highly insulting?
I certainly see it as such.
I most definitely do not see it as acceptable terminology.
As for you hearing a woman referring to another in this fashion, ignorance is no excuse and does not make a thing acceptable. Some people don't engage their brains.

Here's a good example of genuinely taking the piss with offence levels, need I reiterate:

Maybe it's from being a culchie and a bit of a racing fanatic...granted most of them are in the racing or hunting scenes...

In my experience, in that culture it is perfectly acceptable and not at all ill intentioned to speak as such, and that is all I said. I'd imagine it has something to do with actually holding the animals in regard.
However I do find you calling a lot of people quite close to me ignorant and disengaged over variations in slang usage highly, personally insulting. I think you need to calm down there a bit... In all fairness where do you get off on pulling the femi-nazi card on me? It's a bit ludicrous to be honest, given my posting history.

deirdre_dub wrote: »

I've just been in touch with TENI - the issue is going to be discussed on Today FM at about 5:20pm.

Just caught the end of that, couldn't really work out what the conclusion was meant to be, how did it go?

Ciaran0 · 20-02-2012 7:09pm

People are so fussy about everything these days. It was just a poor advert. I don't get why everyone has to get so up in arms over these things...

wonderfulname · 20-02-2012 7:13pm

I wonder how you'd feel if they had to pinpoint the Christians...

Rev Hellfire · 20-02-2012 7:47pm

If the intention was to gain publicity through being offensive then its succeeded admirably.

hots · 20-02-2012 7:50pm

wonderfulname wrote: »

I wonder how you'd feel if they had to pinpoint the Christians...

Not sure if this was for me but nonplussed would be my response, although seeing PP try would make me smile... (non-believer btw)

wonderfulname · 20-02-2012 7:57pm

Not aimed at you, aimed at the poster above that wandered in from Christianity.

deirdre_dub · 20-02-2012 8:36pm

It's official - the ad isn't going to be pulled voluntarily. However, the UK's advertising standards authority have said that they are investigating, and that they don't need any more complaints about the ad.

Paddy Power doesn't understand why the ad is offensive, and is shocked by the response of the transgender community. So apparently a game of pointing out women with certain physical characterists - characteristics that are sometimes due to a recognised medical condition - is not a problem.

So what is it going to be next year? Cleft lip and palate at Cheltenham? Kinda got a ring to it, don't you think?

eaglach · 20-02-2012 9:03pm

All this talk of being offended reminded me of this:

But in regards to the ad campaign, Paddy Power got it spot on. Look how much attention it is getting because of the offended parties. If you just ignored it, it would have slipped under the radar and would haven't been as succesful as it is now.

You've actually done Paddy Power a big favour.

Shakti · 20-02-2012 9:18pm

Just finished listening to Matt Cooper,
Disappointing I dont envy Vanessa her job,

Paddy Power has encouraged the sexual harassment of women at Cheltenham and in sport in general. Paddy Power thinks sexual harassment is just a bit of fun, well he better get himself a good lawyer should his customers decide to be "Inspired by his comments" and act out his idea of "fun".

Shakti · 20-02-2012 9:23pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmkHLiZMJeU

deirdre_dub · 20-02-2012 9:43pm

eaglach wrote: »

But in regards to the ad campaign, Paddy Power got it spot on. Look how much attention it is getting because of the offended parties. If you just ignored it, it would have slipped under the radar and would haven't been as succesful as it is now.

You've actually done Paddy Power a big favour.

So the correct response to this is to roll over, sit quietly in the corner, and take it. How stupid of me!

Thanks for your help.

wonderfulname · 20-02-2012 9:58pm

Ack, I was wrong, people can manage to talk about this, I seriously didn't consider that "you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference" would be taken as a valid position... That's pretty dire actually.

Slang_Tang · 20-02-2012 11:27pm

deirdre_dub wrote: »

So the correct response to this is to roll over, sit quietly in the corner, and take it. How stupid of me!

Thanks for your help.

I know. It's always so easy for people who aren't at all affected, or who don't have to put up with this sort of shít on a daily basis, to say, "Oh, if it were me, I would ignore it/it wouldn't bother me".

How could they possibly know?

LegacyUser · 20-02-2012 11:37pm

PADDY POWER IS A BASTARD and for what it's worth some of those trans ladies were quite beautiful

My €0.02

Louisevb · 20-02-2012 11:49pm

Picking on marginalised communities is a bit of a laugh? So who actually are we supposed to be laughing at?

1. Transgender people that have lost their families and and friends, not because they are Trans but because societys perception of them.

2. Are we supposed to be laughing at their families who either decided that they cant deal with having a Transgender person in their family, so cut links and loose a loved one.

3. Are we laughing at the Transgender Child who is trying to integrate themselves in school and being constantly mocked for having the courage to be themselves.

4. Or are we laughing at the the Transgender person who is after losing contact with their children, who is standing at the edge of a cliff after losing the will to live. I like to think I have a good sense of humour but I don't find it funny when I am taking calls similiar to those hilarious 4 samples above.

I don't find it funny when my Father cant bare to see me because he doesn't understand my situation as a Transgender Woman, the same understanding that I work everyday to create, so as other Transgender people wont have to suffer these painful challenges.

I don't find it funny as advertisments like this tear apart the good work we do with little or no thought for the consequences of their actions. Finally, I am a race goer, I had a yearly ticket to my local track (Tramore), I am a punter, I will be glued to the Cheltenham Festival. But dya know what? I don't find it funny that Paddy Power has chosen to single out the people that I have the honour of working with. I think many years ago we would have taken this crap, but days like that are long gone. Not only should Paddy Power be ashamed but the Cheltenham Festival Staff who also think this is a bit of fun. I am asking you kindly to please remove this and leave us alone to get on with our lives, and let our families also get on with theirs.
Posted by Vanessa Lacey who was on Matt Cooper this evening, on the Cheltenham Website and I could not have put it better myself.. If this trash had been directed at coloured people, travelers etc there would be uproar and rightly so... I have friends who go out at the weekend and get this kind of stuff, coins thrown at them and verbal abuse.. and it's exactly this stuff which encourages it...Now tell me if you would all like that and it's all fun so ?

Shakti · 21-02-2012 12:20am

Ye no I know its actually a real ad,
I'm starting understand how Paddy Power actually sees women,

Azure_sky · 21-02-2012 12:31am

Slang_Tang wrote: »

I know. It's always so easy for people who aren't at all affected, or who don't have to put up with this sort of shít on a daily basis, to say, "Oh, if it were me, I would ignore it/it wouldn't bother me".

How could they possibly know?

Correct.

The word context is lost on some people. This crap just gives thugs the social justification that trans people are some how less than other citizens and abusing trans people is socially acceptable. I know trans people who have been savagely beaten simply for being trans. This piece of crap will almost certainly increase the chances of such crimes occurring more frequently. Paddy Power now have blood on their hands.

EGAR · 21-02-2012 12:40am

It made me very uneasy to watch this ad, it is wrong on so many levels and I find it disgusting that people stoop to these levels.

And I can totally understand why this is causing outrage. Actually, in my mind it is bullying.

hots · 21-02-2012 1:02am

Louisevb wrote: »

Picking on marginalised communities is a bit of a laugh? So who actually are we supposed to be laughing at?

1. Transgender people that have lost their families and and friends, not because they are Trans but because societys perception of them.

2. Are we supposed to be laughing at their families who either decided that they cant deal with having a Transgender person in their family, so cut links and loose a loved one.

3. Are we laughing at the Transgender Child who is trying to integrate themselves in school and being constantly mocked for having the courage to be themselves.

4. Or are we laughing at the the Transgender person who is after losing contact with their children, who is standing at the edge of a cliff after losing the will to live. I like to think I have a good sense of humour but I don't find it funny when I am taking calls similiar to those hilarious 4 samples above.

In fairness I don't think PaddyPower was targeting these points. I don't think the ad was right but you're taking it out of context here...

Shakti · 21-02-2012 1:09am

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themediablog

I'm starting to think Paddy Power just doesn't like women unless they're playing bingo or ^^

Shakti · 21-02-2012 1:09am

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Azure_sky · 21-02-2012 1:10am

hobbit of the shire wrote: »

In fairness I don't think PaddyPower was targeting these points. I don't think the ad was right but you're taking it out of context here...

Even if that is true they must be well aware of it now and have no intention of backing down.

hots · 21-02-2012 1:15am

Azure_sky wrote: »

Even if that is true they must be well aware of it now and have no intention of backing down.

Aware of the trouble these people get? Yes everyone is (decent people are), but I don't think this ad is inciting hatred or persecution here is it? Objectifying definitely but hardly inciting...

L.Jenkins · 21-02-2012 1:17am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103786/Paddy-Power-criticised-ad-campaign-asking-punters-spot-transgendered-ladies.html#ixzz1mx2UdVCo

It seems they're quite happy to continue on with the advertisement quoting,

'We are surprised with some of the reaction because members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community helped us put the ad together and were featured in it.

'It is not meant to cause offence.
'This was checked by Clearcast (which vets adverts) so it wasn't as if it was a guerrilla style attempt to offend - it is meant to get people talking.'

Azure_sky · 21-02-2012 1:24am

'This was checked by Clearcast (which vets adverts) so it wasn't as if it was a guerrilla style attempt to offend fortunately for us - it is meant to get people talking us more business as any publicity is good publicity.'

Fixed.

Aurongroove · 21-02-2012 1:36am

sorry, Insanely long post:

"Well Aurongroove; the reason the horse metaphor in this instance was offensive to trans-gendered women was not because it identified them (and other ladies) as horses, but because it identified them uniformly as 'male' and the other ladies as 'female'.
The ad basically asks 'can you tell the males from the females?' meaning 'transgendered ladies' from other 'ladies'; actively waiving a transgendered woman's (probably hard earned) sexual identity.

This is a horribly tasteless premiss for humour, especially considering the fact that countless transgendered ladies have had to make sacrifices and struggles for their sexual identity even more so then, as the ad would say, 'regular' women. Putting them in a commercial and basically saying "now let's try tell the real women, from the fake women" is disgusting

the hot dog in the background plays of the transphobic reflex of instantly associating transgendered ladies with penises and thus completing the link. This would be similar to using homosexuals in an ad and using symbolic referencing to HIV or Anal Sex as a background joke.

The 'dog' gag suggests that the narrator was so confused by his self inflicted rapid fire sexist guessing game that upon seeing a dog and then a transgendered lady come out of a male bathroom, that he is dazzled into identifying the person, not as a male or female but as a dog."

(now the bad bit, sorry guys, again, this is my opinion)

You know when I wrote that to myself?
I wrote it to myself when I started to think that the people who were offended by the commercial either had no idea how to formulate a reasoned argument about why the ad was offensive OR that they could, but they constantly missed the point of why I and several other posters who took the 'other side' were continuing to post.
This was fine until the moderators began not being able to tell the difference between argumentative opinion and tactless aggressive prejudice (real transphobia).

I am furious that one of my posts received an infringement in this thread, and saw that some others did as well, but what's worse. There are overwhelming examples of Moderators using their power to bully one side of the argument over the other:
I have seen in this thread warnings by Mods telling non-TG posters that their opinions are not as important as TG posters in matters of TG targeted ignorance. This is a logical fallacy and if it isn't, then I at least express my right to say it's a logical fallacy.

Maybe I was being a bastard, but then again maybe the reason that the only infringements I've ever received in a forum ever were both here in the last few days, on TG themes threads, is because the TG's here are being wrapped up in artificial wool so tight that they don't know how to argue properly, and any whistle blowers (opposing opinions) are quickly done away with by mods.

all I've learned from this thread is to stay the hell away from TG's and their threads for fear or breaking eggshells. which is quite the opposite to my real life TG friends who are open, casual and not afraid to argue.

Slang_Tang · 21-02-2012 1:47am

Aurongroove wrote: »

all I've learned from this thread is to stay the hell away from TG's and their threads for fear or breaking eggshells. which is quite the opposite to my real life TG friends who are open, casual and not afraid to argue.

that's very unfair. Trans people do not have to argue here. You and I are gay men. The shít we deal with is nothing, absolutely nothing in comparison to trans people. I think most people would accept that.

So for you and me, it's just an advert. For trans people, it's just another shítty piece of bigotry in the long line of shítty pieces of bigotry they have to deal with every week.

Trans people should not have to argue, defend, or debate in relation to this advert. It's ridiculous. For you it might be a kind of hypothetical discussion; for them it could genuinely cause real emotional hurt. There's no comparison here.

Like I said, it's always easier for people who aren't affected to complain. Have you noticed that 90% of the time it is straight white men who complain about "PC correctness gone mad"? Because they're not the women, gays, trans, or racial minorities who are paraded or degraded for others' entertainment.

Slang_Tang · 21-02-2012 1:48am

Besides, every trans person on this thread has said it is insulting and upsetting. How much discussion does one need to clarify that trans people -- who are the victims here -- are upset by this?

Shakti · 21-02-2012 2:00am

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Originally Posted by ItsThatManAgain]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1mx2UdVCo[/QUOTE]

Are 'Paddy Power' then suggesting that 'Clearcast' are to blame? sounds like it,
as........clearcast are......

Quote:
Our mission, making the complex simple

Clearcast was founded in 2008 by Britain’s eight largest commercial broadcasters to simplify the process of getting advertising to air. Incorporating the bacc, we are building on over fifty years of experience of being a partner in the creative process for TV advertising.

Quote:
The services that we provide are based on our core strengths:

Compliance. We have 50 years expertise??? in ensuring that television advertising complies with BCAP codes.
Advertising processes. We are uniquely positioned to streamline the advertising copy chain to the benefit of everyone that advertises on TV and wider audiovisual media.
Metadata. We hold a range of metadata related to commercials ranging from artists and music featured to advertising restrictions.
We’re developing rapidly and happy to discuss potential business partnerships that match our areas of expertise.

then........

BCAP

Quote:
BCAP TV Code
The BCAP Television Advertising Code - section 6 - harm and offence
6.1 Offence
6.1
Advertisements must not cause serious or widespread offence against generally accepted moral, social or cultural standards, or offend against public feeling
Notes:
(1) Although no list can be exhaustive, and values evolve over time, society has shared standards in areas such as:
(a) the portrayal of death, injury, violence (particularly sexual violence), cruelty or misfortune
(b) respect for the interests and dignity of minorities
(c) respect for spiritual beliefs, rites, sacred images etc
(d) sex and nudity, and the use of offensive language. (For further information see the ITC research reports Nudity in Television Advertising and the ASA/ITC report Delete Expletives. The latter reports on attitudes to swearing and offensive language.)
(2) The ASA does not judge cases simply, or even primarily, on the number of complaints received. It makes judgements about the likelihood of widespread offence as well as taking into account the possibility of deep, usually unintentional, offence to sections of the audience which have particular vulnerabilities.
(3) Particular circumstances can result in otherwise unobjectionable material causing offence. For example, a joke may cease to be acceptable if it seems to refer to a recent tragedy or if it appears close to a programme about a serious, related issue. On the other hand, if material might be on the edge of acceptability for a general audience but would be perfectly acceptable to, for example, young adults, careful scheduling in ‘youth’ programmes may be sufficient to avoid causing offence.
(4) Whilst commercials for media products such as CDs and videos must not mislead about their content, any extracts from the products should not cause offence.
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I wonder why Paddy Power hasn't used the ASA in their pitiful attempts at justification mmmmmmmm.

baby and crumble · 21-02-2012 2:20am

Hey guys,

As there has been an accusation of bullying by mods on thread, we've had a chat amongst ourselves and decided that locking this thread temporarily until some of c-mods check it out to see if that is or is not the case.

An accusation of bullying is obviously something we take seriously.

This thread will be unlocked pending that outcome.

If anyone has a problem PM one of us mods.

Annasopra · 22-02-2012 12:30am

Reopening this

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Shakti · 22-02-2012 12:52am

awesome,

So ESPN... have axed the ad,
Sky are continuing to run it.... no surprises there,
but Channel 4 of 'my transexual summer' kudos have insisted on running it ..go figure.

Coeurdepirate · 22-02-2012 2:37am

apache wrote: »

this is the first time i saw that ad!
i am not offended by the piss taken out of me by degoratory comments towards me as a lesbian or a woman. i understand though i do have a acquired sense of humour! sure even lesbians here find the word lesbian offensive!

i don't post here anymore because everything is taken offence at and you dare not challenge a trans person or holy god will strike you down :rolleyes:

however even i found the ad a bit much towards trans people. but in saying that if it was a piss take about lesbians i would laugh. but thats me. the problem here is trans people take absolute offence at any little comment and when an add like this crops up which in my opinion is a bit out of order its a case of sighing and "here they go again" which really does yourself no favours. a classic example would be the no nonsense insurance ads. they are hilarious yet still offence was taken.

you should choose your wars wisely. battles are fought. wars are won.

I feel the same way. I don't get offended by gay jokes and I've seen ads about gay people that were more tasteless than this, yet they didn't offend me whereas this does, although I'm not trans. As many people have already said, the trans community in general seem to experience more discrimination than LGB people do and the rate of violence towards trans people is higher, ads like this just add fuel to the fire of people who are already transphobic or else put other people in the mind frame that it's okay to laugh at trans people.

Jesus Shaves · 22-02-2012 2:46am

Shakti wrote: »

themediablog

I'm starting to think Paddy Power just doesn't like women unless they're playing bingo or ^^

hahahaha, love it

Shakti · 22-02-2012 3:05am

Apart from Paddy Power and transphobic adverts .........
I'm fairly sure that Banks don't discriminate on the basis of gender when restructuring your mortgage but apparently they do if you bet online.

http://www.herald.ie/news/mortgage-deals-turned-down-for-online-gamblers-2866765.html

A top mortgage advisory firm has claimed that online betting accounts with the likes of Paddy Power or Betfair are being used as criteria to refuse struggling homeowners a restructuring in their mortgages. And in some cases, lenders are using gambling habits as a reason for refusing a mortgage outright.

diddlybit · 22-02-2012 6:46pm

I emailed them a couple of days ago to complain and just got a reply. General jist of the email was that it was transphobic, misogynist and had the potential to incite violence against transpeople.

Hi Deirdre and thanks for taking the time to e-mail Paddy Power.

We are fully committed to our current UK television advertising campaign “We Hear You” which includes the 30 second commercial “Lady’s Day”.

“Lady’s Day” was preapproved by British television advertising watchdog Clearcast who took the view that the humour, while not to everyone’s taste, fell short of causing offence.

Paddy Power welcomes feedback and would like to thank all those who took the time to share their views. We would like to apologise to those who took offence.

Yours truly, Paddy Power

Aw, look. They apologised. Everything's ok now. :mad:

bodice ripper · 22-02-2012 7:19pm

I know I should know better than to get involved here, but how is the ad inciting violence against transpeople?

in my own opinion, either you can laugh at everyone or no one. The ad is clearly intentionally in bad taste. It doesn't seem to me to be any more of an attack on transpeople than other ads and tv shows have attacks on gays/lesbians/americans/italians/fat people/poor people/women/men/black people/white people/old people/middle class/students/religious people etc. How shall we decided who is granted an amnesty?

Also, if the answer is "everyone", nuts to that.

Paddy Power Transphobic Ad,

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