Persona 4 The Ultimax Ultra Suplex Hold (no really)

UberPrinny_Baal · 22-08-2012 7:05pm

EVanB wrote: »

you can surely see why people are complaining

I always see people complaining. Gamers on the internet are 95% complaining, and they want everything yesterday with bells on.

I'm fairly familiar with the work publishers need to do, and I hope the delays are for good reason.

It would be surprising if there were no languages added for EU though, since it seems like localising a 30 hour story across 5 territories is a good reason for a delay.

Anyone have any official links to what Zen are doing?

EVanB · 22-08-2012 7:15pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

I always see people complaining. Gamers on the internet are 95% complaining, and they want everything yesterday with bells on.

I'm fairly familiar with the work publishers need to do, and I hope the delays are for good reason.

It would be surprising if there were no languages added for EU though, since it seems like localising a 30 hour story across 5 territories is a good reason for a delay.

Anyone have any official links to what Zen are doing?

There's a big difference between complaining because your unrealistic expectations arent being met and complaining because a company makes an unprecedented anti-consumer move. Trying to conflate the two smacks of an attempt to trivilise the argument. Atlus (or Index Holdings if you prefer, though theyre the same thing now) released the first ever region locked PS3 game, an unwelcome, anti-consumer precedent set after six or seven years of the system being region free. I find it genuinely confusing that anyone would defend region locking, either explicitly or implicitly - it has exactly zero benefit for the consumer - it is entirely in the publishers favour, allowing them to reap the benefits of globalisation while denying the same to the customer.

Though I do agree about gaming culture on the internet, for people who are supposed to enjoy games the majority of the discussion is releentlessly negative and pointlessly (and unrealistically) critical. Which in turn means legitimate complaints tend to get side-lined or marginalised as they are lost in the noise (or even worse beaten down with a misunderstood buzzword/bodeyman like "entitlement").

The comments about no additional languages are from a Zen employee, while not a press release they are as official as we're likely to get in the interim.

Scavenger XIII · 22-08-2012 9:03pm

It wouldn't be a big deal if they didn't do it EVERY. SINGLE. BLOODY. TIME. :pac:

Doctor DooM · 23-08-2012 10:17am

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Not sure I get the bitching.

While usually as someone who has spent time working with the software dev process I'd agree with you, but not here.

Previously when this has happened- and it happens far, far too much to be acceptable for whatever reason, stop giving unreasonable dates if you can't match them Zen or whoever is responsible- the hardcore had the choice of importing the game to play it within a reasonable period to the rest of the world.

When the ability to do this was removed from the player base of P4A, the player base received a promise it shouldn't affect them as they'd ensure as close to a simultaneous release as possible.

This was, basically, a promise they didn't (couldn't?) keep. They've made the European players into clear third class citizens. The why is pretty irrelevant: if I was a hardcore persona fan and had to watch all those American videos flying round without ever even getting to play it, I'd be very angry. The player base, I would guess, would feel they had been directly lied to in the pursiut of profit.

I was one of the people saying "hey, they got extend out quickly, give them a chance". But they're putting themselves in, I consider, a rather indefensible position.

You can call it a PR problem if you like but at this point, I really don't think you can brush this away as gamers being angry just because they're gamers.

Placebo · 17-09-2012 10:53am

any updates on the **** release date,
**** SAKE :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Nascimento · 17-09-2012 11:28am

Asked in Xtravision but they couldn't find it on their system! :pac:

Gamestop has it coming out on the 26/10/12 though. Long wait.

glitchpod · 28-10-2012 3:16pm

any word on the release date?

Nutrient · 28-10-2012 5:36pm

Whats P4:pac:

Scavenger XIII · 28-10-2012 6:51pm

I think at this stage it's safe to say that Zen have successfully murdered yet another game.

J0hnick · 30-10-2012 10:55pm

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

I think at this stage it's safe to say that Zen have successfully murdered yet another game.

Yup

My Japanese copy of Blazblue that I imported, 10 months! before the official European release. Would have imported the PS3 version of Persona if it wasn't for the region lock but oh well, way to fail Aksys :pac:

UberPrinny_Baal · 05-11-2012 7:11pm

Most recent news is that this isn't coming out in the EU this year.

The reason given is that the publisher hasn't yet submitted the final master code of the EU build.

"Wow that translation into six languages must really be taking them a long time" I thought.

Since I'm really interested in the behind-the-scenes processes, I went and checked out the P4 EU FAQ and found the following:

Q: What about other languages?

A: We are not localising into each region’s language – specifically to bring about a faster release.

If they're not even localising anything then I got nothing.

It's just bad.

Nascimento · 05-11-2012 7:46pm

Not good news...

D4RK ONION · 05-11-2012 9:40pm

Frankly I've lost ALL interest I had in this game. Wont be buying it til it's bargain bin stuff. Chances are P4A EXTEND ANGLE OVERDRIVE will be released in Japan before we get the original anyway.

Scavenger XIII · 05-11-2012 10:13pm

I'm seriously at a loss for words.

WHAT? HOW? HUH?

Sairus · 06-11-2012 3:22am

I honestly just can't even imagine what's going on with this.

From what I gather, Zen is saying it's not their job to recode the game for Europe, so their hands are tied and it's not their fault - they haven't been given anything to actually publish. Who is the company that is in charge of making the 'EU Master Code' and what could possibly be taking so long if they're not localizing anything?

I know that 'Sony Computers Entertainment America' (SCEA) and 'Sony Computers Entertainment Europe' (SCEE) are completely separate beasts. Pre-Patch Skullgirls on PS3 crashes when a SCEE copy tries to connect to a SCEA copy because of an incompatible net code majigger, so I imagine the company in charge of making this Master Code is doing those sorts of modifications.. but surely that issue alone can't be taking this long?

Either way, as said before, this has pretty much killed P4A in Europe. Chrono Phantasm is too close to release and will likely siphon away most of the P4A players.. though Europe probably won't see that till 2015 anyway :pac:

I've dealt with Zen a little after I won that t-shirt design competition and even that small bit of contact showed they were clearly a sloppy group. I don't like to openly bad mouth people - especially if they're smallish companies like Zen - but that was definitely the opinion I came away with, so I imagine their buttery fingers are involved in the mess on some level!

GGs whoever's to blame.

Yreval · 06-11-2012 5:55am

Sairus wrote: »

Who is the company that is in charge of making the 'EU Master Code' and what could possibly be taking so long if they're not localizing anything?

I don't know exactly, but Persona is an Atlus IP and they have a proud history of dragging their heels on European releases.

Doctor DooM · 06-11-2012 11:40am

Yeah I was quite hype to try chair dude for the crack and zoney lady looked a lot of fun, but any residual enthusiasm I had for this game is long, long gone.

You know, with my recent experiences with my vids getting claimed by namco, and the state of the handling of this, for all the slagging they get Capcom look mighty good right now, with their 2 completely free rebalances in the last year and the whole SF25 thing.

J0hnick · 06-11-2012 1:37pm

Fort those of you lucky enough to have a debug PS3,

Go into Region Settings and Fake other Region

Set your fake region to North America or Japan, depending on the region of your game.

Insert disc

Profit :pac:

UberPrinny_Baal · 06-11-2012 1:45pm

Not sure it's cool to post that kind of stuff here.

Just out of curiousity, are you running an import copy of the game on a modified-to-be-regionless PS3, or are you running a straight up ROM?

Scavenger XIII · 06-11-2012 2:40pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Not sure it's cool to post that kind of stuff here.

Just out of curiousity, are you running an import copy of the game on a modified-to-be-regionless PS3, or are you running a straight up ROM?

those of you lucky enough to have a debug PS3

From that I take he's running a development machine, which should be perfectly legal but I'm not sure about having them for personal use.

Doctor DooM · 06-11-2012 2:44pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Not sure it's cool to post that kind of stuff here.

Just out of curiousity, are you running an import copy of the game on a modified-to-be-regionless PS3, or are you running a straight up ROM?

I think it's ok, I don't think there's anything illegal in actually owning a dev kit.

Sairus · 09-11-2012 5:04am

So this is now for sale on XBLA in the States and Japan. http://www.siliconera.com/2012/11/08/persona-4-arena-now-costs-40-on-xbox-360-and-playstation-3/

If you want to get your mitts on it you could probably try making a US account and trying to buy it that way.

No idea if the region locking will still prevent you from downloading it like when I couldn't download EU Halo on my EU account because I'm physically in Japan, but it's worth a shot.

Nutrient · 09-11-2012 6:12am

Sairus wrote: »

So this is now for sale on XBLA in the States and Japan. http://www.siliconera.com/2012/11/08/persona-4-arena-now-costs-40-on-xbox-360-and-playstation-3/

If you want to get your mitts on it you could probably try making a US account and trying to buy it that way.

No idea if the region locking will still prevent you from downloading it like when I couldn't download EU Halo on my EU account because I'm physically in Japan, but it's worth a shot.

Somebody has gotta try this

K.O.Kiki · 09-11-2012 8:53am

Nutrient wrote: »

Somebody has gotta try this

Not doing it, just on principle.

Sairus · 09-11-2012 9:04am

I'll probably give it a shot, but it's still showing up as $60.

http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/P4A/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d802453907d2

Siliconera say it's supposed to be dropping to $40, so I'll wait for that. I wouldn't mind learning the basics of this so I don't have to keep leafing through that Japanese system guide in the arcade whenever I try giving it a shot.

K.O.Kiki · 09-11-2012 10:12am

So you press A+B or B+D or A+B+C+direction and oh I appear to have gone cross-eyed.

Sairus · 12-11-2012 2:08pm

Turns out Siliconera had it wrong. It's dropping to $40 for hard copies. Digital is staying at $60.
Not a chance I'm buying it for $60.

Nascimento · 22-12-2012 1:55pm

29/03/2013 according to --> http://www.ie.wowhd.com/games/persona-4-arena-xbox-360/dp/30385921

:eek:

:(

K.O.Kiki · 22-12-2012 3:09pm

Game's dead on arrival anyway.

Buy it if you like it for the single-player content.

Sairus · 22-12-2012 3:12pm

Don't pay any attention. The end of March is the end of the 2nd Quarter in the fiscal year. All Pre-orders taken before that point get added onto total sales/profits for the year, so it's a completely baseless release date for the actual game and just relates to Wow's finance tracking.

D4RK ONION · 22-12-2012 3:13pm

I am tempted to not purchase in protest of it being a year late (basically)

Sairus · 22-12-2012 3:21pm

I really wouldn't bother buying it if you want to seriously play it. The number of players that dropped it after CP released over here was pretty incredible and I imagine the trend will follow to the States and (eventually) Europe.

The arcades I visit in Hachioji share P4A and CP on the same cabinet. Since CP's release I have not seen a single game of P4A being played there.

Nascimento · 22-12-2012 5:16pm

MIght wait for it to come down in price before purchasing.

I'm interested in playing single player mode, but without online play the game will only have a limited shelf life.

K.O.Kiki · 22-12-2012 5:57pm

Sairus wrote: »

I really wouldn't bother buying it if you want to seriously play it. The number of players that dropped it after CP released over here was pretty incredible and I imagine the trend will follow to the States and (eventually) Europe.

The arcades I visit in Hachioji share P4A and CP on the same cabinet. Since CP's release I have not seen a single game of P4A being played there.

You mean you can choose your game after inserting coins, like on old NeoGeo cabs?

Sairus · 22-12-2012 6:58pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

You mean you can choose your game after inserting coins, like on old NeoGeo cabs?

Yep. Nesica brought out a cab a couple of years ago that lets arcade operators just download new games onto them instead of buying new boards. The player can then cycle through the available titles to whatever they want. Some cabinets are set to only play specific games though, so there's still BB only sections of some arcades. ArcSys really jumped on the system, but there's a big variety of fighters (and non fighters) from different companies on there: P4U, BB, KoF, Arcana Heart, Battle Fantasia, Puzzle Bobble etc. Namco and Capcom haven't gone near them though.

It's pretty handy because many arcade games here allow you to store a player profile on a physical card which you swipe before you play. The card stores your gamertag, wins, losses, accumulated points and any costumes/items you bought with those points. With Nesica you only need one card to work across dozens of games. Capcom and Namco seem to do them on a per game basis. The ol' wallet will fill up pretty quick if you buy cards for all your regular games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND7DFcbHLrc

As a side note, one nice thing Persona in particular did with its Nesica card integration is that when you swipe your card it remembers your previous character and centers the selection over them (but does not actually pick them), then if you do select them it cycles to the color choice you picked last, so you can just mash through the character select screen when you're trying to get that rematch.

Scavenger XIII · 23-12-2012 2:55am

Game is already dead and the publishers don't deserve a damn penny for their bull****.

So yeah...

Sairus · 17-01-2013 7:11am

PERSONA 4 ARENA UPDATE!
As promised here's an update on our current progress with Persona 4 Arena.

We have now taken delivery of the PS3 EU version of Persona 4 Arena, and we are expecting the Xbox version soon.

Once we have both, the next step will be to submit P4A to Sony and Microsoft. At this stage, we'll be able to estimate a likely release window for you guys - and once it's been approved by both platform holders, we'll be able to give you a realistic street date.

We will, of course, let you know what stage we are in this process so you can have a clearer idea of when the release date is likely to be.

Again, thank you for your patience...

I hope you guys have your wallets ready. Zen are just one step away from being able to submit the game to Sony and MS, at some point after which they will be able to give a completely believable estimated launch date. :pac:

Sairus · 26-01-2013 1:18am

Sairus wrote: »

I hope you guys have your wallets ready. Zen are just one step away from being able to submit the game to Sony and MS, at some point after which they will be able to give a completely believable estimated launch date. :pac:

Okay that was faster than I thought. P4A arrives Feb 20 on PSN and Feb 22 at retail.

K.O.Kiki · 26-01-2013 1:53am

Sairus wrote: »

Okay that was faster than I thought. P4A arrives Feb 20 on PSN and Feb 22 at retail.

So April 1. it is, then.
:pac:

Monkeyto · 30-01-2013 5:00pm

Finally got around to picking this up the other day. Sat down and played it for a while tonight. Started with Chie, seems to have some good B&B combos, but needs to get inside in order to do some real damage. Has a super which multiplies her damage to crazy numbers!

Overall enjoyed sitting down with this and Jojo's for the last week. I haven't been playing fighting games for a while, so it was nice to start again with some games which I haven't really played before. Will defo give Persona a spin at the arcade, as it is a well played game on the East side of Tokyo, as all most anime/dial-a-combo fighters are. (SFIV dominates the west side as Daigo, Fuudo, etc all live in the west side).

Interestingly, it has also been the most "mainstream" fighter I've seen played too. A lot more women seem to sit down with this one, when compared to SFIV and BB. BB used to be the game which I guess girls were most interested, but since persona is a popular RPG series, and this is a sequel to Persona 4 (Atlus P4A project manager's words), more people are willing to give it a try.

Sairus · 30-01-2013 10:48pm

Monkeyto wrote: »

Will defo give Persona a spin at the arcade, as it is a well played game on the East side of Tokyo, as all most anime/dial-a-combo fighters are. (SFIV dominates the west side as Daigo, Fuudo, etc all live in the west side).

Ah, that's probably why I don't see it much since I don't often go much furthet East than Shinjuku.

K.O.Kiki · 13-02-2013 6:30pm

http://www.atlus.com/forum/showpost.php?#38;p=309824&postcount=1

P4U download from US PSN is also region-locked.
Heads-up if you were thinking about wasting your money.

Sairus · 14-02-2013 12:34am

It's out next week anyway, so keep your pants on.

Valormeer · 14-02-2013 4:39pm

Sairus wrote: »

It's out next week anyway, so keep your pants on.

Persona is never coming to Europe

Placebo · 27-02-2013 10:58pm

so is anyone getting this next week?

K.O.Kiki · 27-02-2013 11:20pm

Placebo wrote: »

so is anyone getting this next week?

No.

Naphiel · 27-02-2013 11:35pm

What has you thinking it's coming out next week?
Especially since the publishers stated yesterday that they have no news at this point in time.

Placebo · 03-03-2013 5:45pm

jesus thought it was March !!! its released in MAY, ridic

K.O.Kiki · 03-03-2013 7:01pm

Placebo wrote: »

jesus thought it was March !!! its released in MAY, ridic

LOL get owned.

Sairus · 04-03-2013 3:43am

Wow. GGs Zen/Arc Sys.

Persona 4 The Ultimax Ultra Suplex Hold (no really)

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