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Local Politician Does His Bit For The Disabled..

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  • #52
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Hey Andrew, I thought you had sorted this problem out with your staff. You posted this already
    Anyone can make a mistake and fair play for coming onto boards to defend your position.

    So what's with the second photo? Got a sob story about a disabled person that means you or your volunteers must park on a footpath?
    You talk to your volunteer, post here that the issue is sorted and then get your vehicle parked on a footpath right beside a pedistrian crossing?
    I don't have the technical knowledge to know if your number plates are illegal but they aren't standard, that's for sure

    Good man Andrew, do as I say and not as I do


  • #53
    nameuser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭nameuser


    Guys are ye stalking out all vehicles with his face on them?


  • #54
    fabbydabby
    Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭fabbydabby


    Apparently so. Still amusing though.


  • #55
    brettmirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭brettmirl


    nameuser wrote: »
    Guys are ye stalking out all vehicles with his face on them?

    Nope. I only get home to Kilkenny the odd weekend. Was coming back from my lunch when I spotted that.


  • #56
    Nightwish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    This thread is hilarious. Keep 'em coming!


  • #57
    nameuser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭nameuser


    mick_irl wrote: »
    Nope. I only get home to Kilkenny the odd weekend. Was coming back from my lunch when I spotted that.

    Ah you couldn't resist getting a photo of him.:p
    Probably easier ways.:D


  • #58
    brettmirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭brettmirl


    nameuser wrote: »
    Ah you couldn't resist getting a photo of him.:p
    Probably easier ways.:D

    I take lots of photos. Only a selected few make it onto boards.ie


  • #59
    Nightwish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    I'm getting my new Canon EOS this weekend, so I'll be out and about with my eyes peeled for candidates vans illegally parked!


  • #60
    ergonomics
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭ergonomics


    mick_irl wrote: »
    Anyone know if this would be a parking offense? (see attached photo, no idea how to embed it)

    Back wheel on the footpath, plus parking like that makes it difficult for cars coming off the junction (Michael St onto John St), as the vehicle is protruding onto the street as well.

    Also, the reg plates on that vehicle are illegal according to the rules set down by the Revenue Commissioners.

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/2005/pr_plate.html

    Think that's a fine of €1,265...

    I felt sympathetic to Andrew when I saw the first photo posted, but this is ridiculous. There's no excuse for it.


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  • #61
    fabbydabby
    Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭fabbydabby


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  • #62
    Dr.Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Dr.Sanchez


    Ah he's jus an idiot, and the only people that'll vote for him are old people because they love his ould lad!


  • #63
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    This family remind how somehow of the mafia. Doing very nicely indeed out of the politics gravy train and "keeping it (all) in the family". And throw in the good looking Polish chick for good measure to hoover up some of the many foreign votes over around Lintown Hall and the like.

    That Range Rover is vulgar to say the least. And as for the cock and bull story about the elderly lady and the van...give us some credibility Andrew please!


  • #64
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    mick_irl wrote: »
    Anyone know if this would be a parking offense?

    Back wheel on the footpath, plus parking like that makes it difficult for cars coming off the junction (Michael St onto John St), as the vehicle is protruding onto the street as well.

    Also, the reg plates on that vehicle are illegal according to the rules set down by the Revenue Commissioners.

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/2005/pr_plate.html

    Think that's a fine of €1,265...

    While I'd agree that this is also dodgy is it no different to the average joe and how badly so many other motorists park?

    Yes its wrong but this is turning into a witch hunt now, if I wanted I could go out and take pictures of SUV that are parked illegally and claim all SUV drivers don't give a crap about the laws.

    However given the two photos posted so far its clear that words perhaps need to be had with a few drivers, but then I've seen other partys park up on footpaths while displaying whats on there banners/vans/pictures


  • #65
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    D_Red_Army wrote: »
    I never thought it would make it that far!!! Might send the Herald my address so they can post the check.....;)

    They should never have published your photo without permission for a start, and they never gave credit.
    Andrew McG wrote: »
    Sully and Cabaal thanks for the response and I will do my best to keep an eye on the forum and take part in the discussions. I have been reading a few threads here and it seems to be a good way to keep informed.

    Good stuff. More local politicans should be active on the forum, you have to hand it to Murphy for getting out there and joining such a popular forum to here the peoples views and respond to them. Its not all about canvassing on the door and having cars parking illegaly with your name on it!
    Secondly, I first found out about that van parking in a disabled bay when a friend told me to check this forum. It was here I read that the van owners relative was in a wheelchair. Then the Herald phoned me and and I told them exactly what I read here. After speaking with the owner of the van, whom you also know, he informed me that it was his elderly grandmother that he was taking to the shop. I was not there and I can only go by what I have been told in good faith. Like I said, I asked him to park responsibly in future. I think thats an understandable explanation Darren

    From the looks, you need to call a meeting with your drivers and remind them of the laws and regulations surrounding parking. If it was me, I would have sacked the driver for parking in two disabled spaces. It has damaged your campaign image so much it reached national papers. A witness clearly has said he was on his own, which contradicts what you were told. That would annoy me further, as I would only want people on my campaign trail that I can trust. Hence, it has damaged your image even further by refusing to do anything bar having a talk with the driver.
    Cabaal wrote: »
    While I'd agree that this is also dodgy is it no different to the average joe and how badly so many other motorists park?

    Yes its wrong but this is turning into a witch hunt now, if I wanted I could go out and take pictures of SUV that are parked illegally and claim all SUV drivers don't give a crap about the laws.

    However given the two photos posted so far its clear that words perhaps need to be had with a few drivers, but then I've seen other partys park up on footpaths while displaying whats on there banners/vans/pictures

    I think the issue is, a local election candidate should be setting the right image. Daily people break the law, park illegaly and get away with it. Its not right and its not fair on people who might need to use that disabled space but because some person decided to take up two spaces, its made it more awkward on them. For an election candidate to ignore the law, and he wanting the public to give him a vote - is a bit rich.


  • #66
    brettmirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭brettmirl


    Cabaal wrote: »
    While I'd agree that this is also dodgy is it no different to the average joe and how badly so many other motorists park?

    Yes its wrong but this is turning into a witch hunt now, if I wanted I could go out and take pictures of SUV that are parked illegally and claim all SUV drivers don't give a crap about the laws.

    However given the two photos posted so far its clear that words perhaps need to be had with a few drivers, but then I've seen other partys park up on footpaths while displaying whats on there banners/vans/pictures

    A witch hunt? No. I would have taken the pic had it been any other election candidate either.

    Yes, plenty of people do park on paths/illegally, BUT, they are not elected representatives (or people that represent them).

    Our Councillors write, vote on and enact the parking laws through out the city. The council employs the people that enforce these laws. They should be leading by example.


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  • #67
    EKRIUQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,386 ✭✭✭EKRIUQ


    I'm just getting the impression that people think they can park anywhere once they have a sticker on their car/van/suv because their on official campaign business. And coming on here and telling lies is just a sign of arrogance.


  • #68
    highgiant1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭highgiant1985


    nameuser wrote: »
    Guys are ye stalking out all vehicles with his face on them?

    in fairness its hard to miss them. When you plaster your face on a vehicle its going to get attention!

    For the record - IMO I wouldn't blame Andrew for this unless he was the driver of either of the vehicles in question. I would blame the driver(s). People are imperfect. To f up is in their nature. Its easy to say they should have parked correctly and they should have but we all know of someone be it friend relative work colleague or neighbour who has been caught (or should have been) for speeding or parking offences. Andrew can't control what they do. He can tell them how they should behave but ultimately its each person who makes up their OWN mind.

    if Andrew was the driver of one of these vechicles then I take the above back and it was fully his fault :D


    Also just to point out I've no interest in politics and I'm from Offaly originally so I'm not even sure I can vote in these elections.


  • #69
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Sully wrote: »
    I think the issue is, a local election candidate should be setting the right image. Daily people break the law, park illegaly and get away with it. Its not right and its not fair on people who might need to use that disabled space but because some person decided to take up two spaces, its made it more awkward on them. For an election candidate to ignore the law, and he wanting the public to give him a vote - is a bit rich.

    I'd fully agree, I'm just merely suggesting this is starting to look like a witch hunt :)

    Its bad form for any body working for ANY party to start breaking the law and then expect votes in their direction


  • #70
    jiggajt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    Lets not be too harsh here. I mean clearly in the first photograph this type of parking was necessary in order to ensure the driver's chicken fillet roll didnt go cold. If he had to park across the car park the butter on his roll clearly would have melted and curdled and mixed with the bacon and we all hate that! :D

    And clearly in the second photo the driver is dropping back a dvd to the shop on john's st. Another instance where ridiculous parking is legitimised by the excuse, " ah sure i'll only be a minute." :D


  • #71
    brettmirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭brettmirl


    jiggajt wrote: »
    And clearly in the second photo the driver is dropping back a dvd to the shop on john's st. Another instance where ridiculous parking is legitimised by the excuse, " ah sure i'll only be a minute." :D

    Nope, the two occupants were heading for their lunch (to Langtons or Ming Court I believe), so they would have been there more than a minute.


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  • #72
    rosel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭rosel


    darren its not very fair what you are doing you know the driver and his family very well. and the ealdery woman is your gan aunt and mine too. you know that he does bring her shopping when ever she go's. we were voting for you until you went stiring it about this. and when every one else in the family find's out or those that know about it will hardly vote for you either.


  • #73
    EKRIUQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,386 ✭✭✭EKRIUQ


    rosel wrote: »
    darren its not very fair what you are doing you know the driver and his family very well. and the ealdery woman is your gan aunt and mine too. you know that he does bring her shopping when ever she go's. we were voting for you until you went stiring it about this. and when every one else in the family find's out or those that know about it will hardly vote for you either.

    It's not stirring its a legitimate argument, people aren’t allowed to park illegally even if they have a sticker of a local councillor on the vehicle!. Its politics and as of yet we have only seen a brief response then it’s been ignored. I’m sure the number people who read this thread and comments have been influenced on their choices on June 5th. I’m a neutral and have no ties to any candidate but I believe with my own eyes.

    And it’s a bit childish threatening to tell the whole family, grow up.


  • #74
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    EKRIUQ wrote: »
    And it’s a bit childish threatening to tell the whole family, grow up.

    agreed, rosel are you seven?


  • #75
    rosel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭rosel


    am i 7 when all you freaks do is go around the place with camera's taking picture's of day to day life and make a big thing out of sombody bringing there grandmother shopping


  • #76
    Dr.Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Dr.Sanchez


    rosel wrote: »
    darren its not very fair what you are doing you know the driver and his family very well. and the ealdery woman is your gan aunt and mine too. you know that he does bring her shopping when ever she go's. we were voting for you until you went stiring it about this. and when every one else in the family find's out or those that know about it will hardly vote for you either.

    You might as well have posted... "Darren, Im telling Mammy on you!"


  • #77
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    rosel wrote: »
    am i 7 when all you freaks do is go around the place with camera's taking picture's of day to day life and make a big thing out of sombody bringing there grandmother shopping

    Didn't we already establish that a witness at the scene has already confirmed there was only one person in the van (the person driving), we have also confirmed there is very much conflicting information regarding who was supposed to be in the van with the driver.

    At the end of the day who ever took the photo didn't break any laws in Ireland, you welcome to query this over at the Photography forum where people will confirm this.

    Nobody is a freak just because the take photos of the world around them.

    If somebody is running for council/gov then they must expect to be in the public eye and as such should act accordingly if they don't want slack from the general public when they don't.


  • #78
    JohnC.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    rosel wrote: »
    darren its not very fair what you are doing you know the driver and his family very well. and the ealdery woman is your gan aunt and mine too. you know that he does bring her shopping when ever she go's.

    Even if that was true (and it appears it isn't), how does it excuse parking in a disabled space without the permit in the windscreen?

    He said in the Herald, "The reality is that the van driver's mother is disabled. His mother was shopping in the Eurospar and he was perfectly entitled to park there."

    The reality is that without a permit, nobody is perfectly entitled to park there. If he even has a permit for legitimate use, he should be well aware of this.


  • #79
    brettmirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭brettmirl


    Not so Kahless. As I've said previously on this thread, the car park at Eurospar is a private car park and as such, is not bound by the laws of land with regard to parking permits.

    It is up to the operator of the car park (I assume Eurospar or whoever owns the Newpark Shopping Centre) to enforce their own parking rules.


  • #80
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    rosel can take a break from the forum for his "contribution".

    This thread seems to have no point since the candidate has responded.. ill see how it pans out before closing it.


  • #81
    ergonomics
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭ergonomics


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Didn't we already establish that a witness at the scene has already confirmed there was only one person in the van (the person driving), we have also confirmed there is very much conflicting information regarding who was supposed to be in the van with the driver.

    I completely agree that the van shouldn't have parked there but the OP has no proof that he only saw one person in the van. Everyone keeps pinning everything on the fact that he saw the van driver on his own but he could easily be lying, just as the driver of the van could have easily lied and said he had a disabled person with them.

    It's one person's word against another, and I don't see how the OP can be any more believable when they don't have proof. The photo is not proof that there was one person in the van, just proof that the van was parked there.

    Unless someone goes to Eurospar and gets video footage I don't see how anyone can be 100% of what happened on that day.


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  • #82
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    +1. And lets remember, the guys running for Fianna Fail. If that's the only thing the FG guy has over him, he's the luckiest FF'r in the country. And if it's not, I'm not sure why the FG guy is hammering the point home over and over on here, and that's coming from someone who's always voted FG.


  • #83
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    tbh wrote: »
    +1. And lets remember, the guys running for Fianna Fail. If that's the only thing the FG guy has over him, he's the luckiest FF'r in the country. And if it's not, I'm not sure why the FG guy is hammering the point home over and over on here, and that's coming from someone who's always voted FG.

    Young new candidate, trying to hit the point home. Not as much experience I guess. Not exactly the biggest issue worth debating about!


  • #84
    ChristIsMurph
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭ChristIsMurph


    Ok I have no idea who Rosel actually is to point that out. However, I only got involved to point out there was no disabled mother. I then left the argument since. I can't get overly involved as I am another candidate. The thing that I was simply commenting on was that Andrew McGuinness stated to the newspaper there was a disabled mother when he actually knows the mother himself and knows she is not disabled.


  • #85
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Thanks Chris, but it gets tiring when you slip into repeat. Your biased, so its harder for you to comment with a clear mind. I would suggest stepping back a bit.


  • #86
    ChristIsMurph
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭ChristIsMurph


    Sully wrote: »
    Thanks Chris, but it gets tiring when you slip into repeat. Your biased, so its harder for you to comment with a clear mind. I would suggest stepping back a bit.

    My name is actually Darren Sully :P

    I have stepped back a bit as I was saying. I only had one point to make was all, and I made it.


  • #87
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    ChristIsMurph wrote: »
    My name is actually Darren Sully :P

    Your nick isnt though :P
    I have stepped back a bit as I was saying. I only had one point to make was all, and I made it.

    Yup, we all agree and made the point with you :)


  • #88
    fabbydabby
    Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭fabbydabby


    The grandmother must suffer from invisibility as well as immobility because according to the photographer, the driver of the van was alone.


  • #89
    ergonomics
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭ergonomics


    fabbydabby wrote: »
    The grandmother must suffer from invisibility as well as immobility because according to the photographer, the driver of the van was alone.

    To reiterate...
    ergonomics wrote: »
    I completely agree that the van shouldn't have parked there but the OP has no proof that he only saw one person in the van. Everyone keeps pinning everything on the fact that he saw the van driver on his own but he could easily be lying, just as the driver of the van could have easily lied and said he had a disabled person with them.

    It's one person's word against another, and I don't see how the OP can be any more believable when they don't have proof. The photo is not proof that there was one person in the van, just proof that the van was parked there.

    Unless someone goes to Eurospar and gets video footage I don't see how anyone can be 100% of what happened on that day.

    Seriously guys, change the record.


  • #90
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Since this thread has led its course more or less how about Darren replying to questions and views on http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055559840 :)


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  • #91
    fabbydabby
    Registered Users Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭fabbydabby


    Apologies, those last few posts occured between me reading the last one, clicking reply, eating my chicken curry, writing it out, editing it and clicking submit.

    And for the record, it was delightful.


  • #92
    Dr.Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Dr.Sanchez


    Sully wrote: »
    rosel can take a break from the forum for his "contribution".

    This thread seems to have no point since the candidate has responded.. ill see how it pans out before closing it.

    Give it a week or so before you close it... Andrew's a busy man after all! ;)


    *Sarcasm*


  • #93
    sooshie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭sooshie


    i actually cannot believe the time and effort ye have all went through to try blacken andrew mcguinness's name....i mean seriously??? have ye all got nothing better to do?
    yes, i agree the driver prob shouldnt have parked in the spot but as andrew said, he spoke to him and asked him to be more careful where he parks....was it actually andrew who was driving? no! and what he mentioned in the hearld was what he was told, how did he know any better!
    as for darren murphy...i think its a lame and pathetic approach to win yourself votes....will it work? quite frankly, no! it just proves your too much of a child to be a voice for kilkenny city! truth is andrew is such a treat to you, you'll stoop as low as you can....well i doubt those sort of tactics will work to your advantage!
    im sorry for my rant but i actually cant believe how pathetic this all is....andrew has done so much for the people of kilkenny,he is so hard workin and he will, for sure be gettin my number one vote!


  • #94
    tom12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ✭tom12


    i agree andrew is vry hard working and if darren was half as good as him he would'nt have soop this low


  • #95
    purplemoon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭purplemoon


    This is a sad thread, I mean come on, everyone is just picking on McGuinness just because his face is on the side of a van. He isn't the driver. It was the drivers fault. You could go around Kilkenny everyday and see illegal parking by lots of different people, why aren't there any photo's of that?

    What about all the people that pull up on the footpath outside of AIB on high st. to use the ATM? Or has anyone ever gone to visit someone in the hospital and seen people park on the footpath and in the disabled spots?

    For crying out loud everyone does it. I'm not saying it's not a bad thing, because it is. The problem i have is that, the blame is going on to a person who isn't even the owner nor driver of the vehicles. How about you go around kilkenny each day a take photo's of ALL the illegal parking that occurs day in and day out, or does that not interest anyone?


  • #96
    Dr.Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Dr.Sanchez


    sooshie wrote: »
    i actually cannot believe the time and effort ye have all went through to try blacken andrew mcguinness's name....i mean seriously??? have ye all got nothing better to do?
    yes, i agree the driver prob shouldnt have parked in the spot but as andrew said, he spoke to him and asked him to be more careful where he parks....was it actually andrew who was driving? no! and what he mentioned in the hearld was what he was told, how did he know any better!
    as for darren murphy...i think its a lame and pathetic approach to win yourself votes....will it work? quite frankly, no! it just proves your too much of a child to be a voice for kilkenny city! truth is andrew is such a treat to you, you'll stoop as low as you can....well i doubt those sort of tactics will work to your advantage!
    im sorry for my rant but i actually cant believe how pathetic this all is....andrew has done so much for the people of kilkenny,he is so hard workin and he will, for sure be gettin my number one vote!

    What?! Andrew has done nothin for Kilkenny!! Its his old man that did all the work while he sits back and takes the credit.

    Also... notice how all these fan-boys only have one or two posts! What's up with that?!


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  • #97
    highgiant1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭highgiant1985


    3 new users all sign up and have there first post in this thread defending the same person...

    This thread must have provoked strong feelings for all those lurkers to suddenly out of the blue sign up :D.


  • #98
    EKRIUQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,386 ✭✭✭EKRIUQ


    highgiant1985 wrote: »
    3 new users all sign up and have there first post in this thread defending the same person...

    This thread must have provoked strong feelings for all those lurkers to suddenly out of the blue sign up :D.

    I think someone is trying to get this thread closed, wonder will it work smiley-angry-256x2561.png


  • #99
    purplemoon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭purplemoon


    Yep i'm a new user. I've been listening to people talking about this for the last few days and decided to come on and have my say, i thought that it was a website for.
    i've also looked at threads on the pumphouse, ask the politicians a question, events guide to kilkenny, i haven't posted there, so what?! i generally join these things when something sparks my interest, just like i've done on other sites. thanks for the welcome notes!!


  • #100
    Deliverance XXV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭Deliverance XXV


    highgiant1985 wrote: »
    3 new users all sign up and have there first post in this thread defending the same person...

    They may have three different IP addresses too. Or maybe not ;)


  • #101
    catbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    purplemoon wrote: »
    For crying out loud everyone does it. I'm not saying it's not a bad thing, because it is. The problem i have is that, the blame is going on to a person who isn't even the owner nor driver of the vehicles. How about you go around kilkenny each day a take photo's of ALL the illegal parking that occurs day in and day out, or does that not interest anyone?
    good point!
    and to build on it the people get the government they deserve. Fianna Fails mandate from the public would seem to suggest that the law should be optional.
    How else could Sean Fitzpatrick be still free to come and go as he pleases after neglecting to mention eight years of deception to Anglo stockholders and then deceiving the irish tax payer when he accepted the protection of the emergency financial act.
    FF actually stands for Fitzys Friends.


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